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Sorry, @Ferris Bueller,
Good start. It's clear that the promise is for those who are believing, not for those who don't believe, or who no longer believe. But he's going to say the person being spoken about in John 5:24 is in fact a true believer who does in fact have eternal life. What would you say to him in response? Can the verse ONLY be understood to mean the person who has eternal life can not lose that eternal life? Or is it possible that it can also mean a person can have eternal life and be able to lose that eternal life without stripping 'eternal life' of it's eternal quality?
I'm not taking a postion either way about it. I just want to show that, right or wrong, there is a legitimate way that 'eternal life' in John 5:24 is very much eternal and everlasting, yet can be lost. See, the problem with Christians is they are so closed minded and dogmatic it makes them incapable of appreciating alternate views to scripture that they never thought of and, therefore, can not see, but which may very well be true.
Yes, that is what I assumed you meant. Still, even though you acknowledged the verse goes back to verse 22, you are still stuck on what is said in verse 25. The willful sin which leads to no more sacrifice for it is not holding fast to faith. Yes, included in that is not forsaking the assembling; but that's not all there is. This will become an important point later.
Would you please further describe this "mess"? Because I see a bigger mess (whatever that may mean) by your theory.
No, I don't. I can only imagine what you find "messy and distorted" about it. I have my suspiscions, but I would rather not make an inference at this time.
I apologize for not getting back sooner.
Right. That does go without saying, but that still leaves my question unanswered by you. How does one know they had a sincere heart and really did get saved when they asked for salvation? You say, because they asked. That's not what the Bible says. The Bible spells it out very specifically how you can know for sure you are really saved. Do you know where it says that? I doubt one of your teachers would be able to tell you. Those verses of scripture don't fit into their teachings. They may not even know they exist. They certainly can't teach you anything they don't know themselves.
Yes, but only when he has rejected all of God's calls to come back to faith in Christ and God turns him over to his decision to not believe anymore so that he can't come back. I've made this very clear. That's assuming a genuine believer can decide to go back to not believing in Christ. But what does it matter if he can or not. That's kind of a moot point if the 'Christian' finds himself in the position of having gone back to his sins in a rejection of Christ. He is still condemned whether he ever really believed or not. So whether or not he really believed is a meaningless contention at that point. He is in unbelief and he is going to hell. The important point that the church ignores in favor of their once saved always saved doctrines is the Bible's command to keep believing in Christ as evidenced in an active life of righteous living. They focus on the once saved always part and not on the 'have a life that proves you are really saved' part.
He didn't twist anything. He made his point right from plain scriptures. The verse that seems to really trip you up is the 1 John 3:9 verse. You avoid it like the plague.
I am surprised that you say that because you did take reference to Hebrews 10:4. I was asking so I could be sure what you wanted to point out by it.
The result spoken of in verse 26, that “there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins” is not of the willful sinning, but of the once and for all sacrifice by Jesus Christs for sins. Willful sinning has nothing to do with the matter of sacrifices for sins.
As I said in my post, before Christ, the laws on the sacrifice for sin was given to the covenant people that was for the forgiveness of their sin. And at each of those laws, it says “the sin which he has committed shall be forgiven him.” So, there is no reason for me to believe that those who sought and kept those commandments by faith have not received forgiveness of their sins. Else, what would that make of those laws which says that their sin shall be forgiven? I believe that those who approached God with a repentant heart, during the time before Christ, who by faith offered the sacrifices required by the law, received forgiveness as the law says they shall.
That can't be what it means because that would be saying since Christ is the once and for all sacrifice for sin all you have left to look forward to is the judgment of God and raging fire.
WRONG! I've been saying it all along as you can see here......
Maybe the answer will come to you in a dream, lol.
It seems to me that up to now you carry on with the “willful sin” when there is none spoken nor conveyed in the topic verse Hebrews 10:26. What is there is not about a willful sin but about sinning willfully. If you will keep ignoring this point, hopes are low at arriving at the correct understanding of v.26
I already pointed out and shown you. I am afraid I don’t know how else I could help you see it. But I’ll give it one more try here.
How could it be saying that since Christ is the once and for all sacrifice for sin all you have left to look forward to is the judgment of God and raging fire???
