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Righteousness and Justification are spoken of together in Rom 5:18 the
same as they are in Rom 3:21-24. So then, if perchance someone is
fortunate to obtain the righteousness, then they will automatically obtain the
justification that goes along with it.

FYI: Righteousness pertains to innocence, and Justification pertains to
acquittal.

For example: former US President Donald Trump was charged with
insurrection. His accusers in the Senate failed to convict him, i.e. the
majority voted for his innocence and consequently he was acquitted.

This is what God has done for some of us; except that He has declared us all
guilty rather than innocent (Rom 3:23). However; via our faith in Jesus'
blood as an adequate propitiation for our sins, God granted us an
adjudication of innocence, and consequently an acquittal. It's all spelled out
in Rom 3:21-28.

The first prayer I prayed that made some sense contained the words below:

"God, I know I'm a sinner. I would like to take advantage of your son's
death"

My prayer wasn't much to brag about; but it was the smartest sixteen words
I'd ever spoken up to that time.

Pop Clock Update: 3,990 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 219,833,040
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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Lot of people think they're going to paradise. Luke chapter 16, Jesus tells us, their are two sides of the gulf. Saint's in paradise and sheol for the spirtualty dead and wicked. Neither side can cross over. Corinthians chapter 2, you need the holy spirit to guide you on the right path. Lot of people miss the narrow gate and go through wide gate. You need the holy spirit. Majority have spirit of stupor.

 

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The way I figure it: seeing as how God is an intelligent, mature adult (so to
speak) who's never petty, nor capricious, nor biased, nor fickle, nor
impulsive, nor unreasonable, and takes no kind of sick pleasure in causing
people harm; then God must be just as stuck with Hell and can't make it go
away with any more ease than we can.

For reasons I have yet to even guess, Hell is unavoidable even for God
because it's somehow the right thing to do; i.e. it has to be utilized for
punishment in order to satisfy a level of justice that our limited little minds
may never be able to fully grasp.

● Ps 145:17 . .The Lord is righteous in all His ways

Pop Clock Update: 3,996 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 220,163,616
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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FAQ: Doesn't 1Tim 2:4 say it is God's will that everyone be spared?

REPLY: It was likely God's will that no one perish in the Flood, but many
did anyway.

● 2Pet 2:4 . . God did not spare the ancient world when he brought the
Flood on its ungodly people; but saved only Noah plus seven others.

The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah is a fair warning of terrors yet to
come.

● 2Pet 2:6 . . He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning
them to ashes; making them an example of what is going to happen to the
ungodly.

Pop Clock Update: 4,003 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 220,549,288
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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The Corona virus is potentially lethal but not necessarily fatal, viz: should
you contract the disease, the likelihood of your getting past it is very good.

The global death toll as of 04/03/2023 is in the neighborhood of 6,832,414
out of 684,104,579 cases, viz: the survival rate thus far has been roughly
99.99% i.e. the odds of your dying from the virus are like 100 to one.

Of course folks down below no longer concern themselves with diseases;
they have a whole other world of problems to cope with; mostly thirst,
despair, and anxiety. I should think that finding a place to sit down would
occupy their thoughts quite a bit too.

Pop Clock Update: 4,008 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 220,824,768
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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The New Testament often speaks of the afterlife by means of the Greek word
háidēs (a.k.a. Hades) which was doubtless borrowed from Hellenistic
influences prevalent in that day.

Hades was believed to be a conscious afterlife where everybody went when
they died regardless of age, race, gender, or religious preference; which of
course implies that not only was the rich man of Luke 16:19-31 in Hades but
so were Abraham and Lazarus; even Jesus did some time there. (Matt 12:40
& Acts 2:25 31)

Hades is sometimes thought to speak of people's graves, but the correct
Greek word for grave in the New Testament isn't Hades, it's actually
mnemeion (mnay-mi' on), for example:

● Matt 27:52-53 . . And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the
saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection,
and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

● Matt 27:59-60 . . And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a
clean linen cloth, and laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in
the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulcher, and
departed.

● John 11:18 . . Then when Jesus came, he found that he had lain in the
grave four days already.

● John 11:38 . . Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the
grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it.

● John 12:17 . . The people therefore that was with him when he called
Lazarus out of his grave, and raised him from the dead, bare record.

Those are only a smattering of examples from the New Testament where
grave is properly translated from mnemeion. Bible committees that render
Hades as grave do so arbitrarily, i.e. by interpretation rather than by
translation.

Pop Clock Update: 4,013 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 221,100,248
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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● 1John 4:10 . . . God loved us when we didn't love Him, and sent His son as
an atoning sacrifice for our sins.

The Greek verb for love in that passage speaks of benevolence sans any
particular affection and/or fondness. This is the manner of love we're
required to extend to everyone regardless of whether we like them or not.

In a nutshell, the love expressed in sending Christ to die for God's enemies
was an act of gratuitous kindness, care, pity, courtesy, and sympathy which
should not be mistaken to indicate that He particularly likes any of us. In
point of fact, God most likely detests a pretty large number of people for
whom Christ died; yet He's not indifferent to their safety because God is
basically a neighborly sort of person. (Matt 5:44-48)

BTW: If perchance you haven't already; take a moment to speak with God
and tell Him you'd like to take advantage of His son's death.

Pop Clock Update: 4,018 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 221,375,728
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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● Zech 1:5 . .Where are your forefathers now? And the prophets, do they
live forever?

My own father is gone, and the great preacher Billy Graham; he's gone too.
My favorite rock and roll guitar player during the years I was a teen-ager
was Chuck Berry. He's gone. When I was a sophomore in high school, me
and a buddy went to see "The Blob" starring a rather unknown actor at the
time named Steve McQueen. He's gone. My eldest brother entered the
Catholic priesthood and anon became a Friar. He's gone. My bestest friend
ever, whom I'd known since the 2nd grade in elementary school, is gone
too; shot to death by law enforcement at only 37 years old.

There's hardly a month goes by without someone passing away that at one
time was very important to me; a constant reminder that nobody lives
forever and neither will I. At my current age of 79, and diagnosed with
esophageal cancer, I'll be passing away not too long from now. Most of my
life has already been lived and I'm in the home stretch; heading for the exit.
When I was a youngster, life's horizon seemed forever far away; but now,
looking at my deteriorating body it seems I'm walking on the horizon's edge.

Pop Clock Update: 4,023 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 221,651,208
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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[MatthewG]

I believe hell has already be conquered over.

 

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I would like it very much if my friends, associates, and loved ones down in
Hades were allowed visitor days in the afterlife because after they're
transferred to the lake of fire depicted at Rev 20:11-15, I may never get to
be with them ever again.

Christians are sometimes asked how they can possibly be happy in Heaven
while aware that their loved ones are imprisoned in an eternity of suffering.
Well; Rev 21:4 predicts there will neither sorrow nor tears in the future
cosmos, apparently made possible by starting over from scratch and leaving
all else behind, including memories of the past.

● Rev 21:5 . . He who was seated on the throne said: I am making
everything new! Then he said: Write this down, for these words are
trustworthy and true.

* It could be that we will forget our favorite people, but they will never
forget us.

Pop Clock Update: 4,028 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 221,926,688
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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[MatthewG]

I don’t know, but it seems like the kingdom of heaven has gates open, ran open on all sides, 12 gates that are open. Perhaps you will be able to go see them buddy but it depends on how you believe and perceive in your perception. God is good and I don’t believe hell is still around buddy. Jesus has already had the victory since 70Ad we live in a New Age man. But you may freely believe whatever you want.

Here’s the whole of the chapter if you’re interested though many people don’t care, so whatever it’s all right it’s OK.

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth did pass away, and the sea is not any more; and I, John, saw the holy city — new Jerusalem — coming down from God out of the heaven, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband; and I heard a great voice out of the heaven, saying, ‘Lo, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and He will tabernacle with them, and they shall be His peoples, and God Himself shall be with them — their God, and God shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and the death shall not be any more, nor sorrow, nor crying, nor shall there be any more pain, because the first things did go away.’ And He who is sitting upon the throne said, ‘Lo, new I make all things; and He saith to me, ‘Write, because these words are true and stedfast;’ and He said to me, ‘It hath been done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End; I, to him who is thirsting, will give of the fountain of the water of the life freely; he who is overcoming shall inherit all things, and I will be to him — a God, and he shall be to me — the son, and to fearful, and unstedfast, and abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the liars, their part [is] in the lake that is burning with fire and brimstone, which is a second death.’ And there came unto me one of the seven messengers, who have the seven vials that are full of the seven last plagues, and he spake with me, saying, ‘Come, I will shew thee the bride of the Lamb — the wife,’ and he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and did shew to me the great city, the holy Jerusalem, coming down out of the heaven from God, having the glory of God, and her light [is] like a stone most precious, as a jasper stone clear as crystal, having also a wall great and high, having twelve gates, and at the gates twelve messengers, and names written thereon, which are [those] of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel, at the east three gates, at the north three gates, at the south three gates, at the west three gates; and the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. And he who is speaking with me had a golden reed, that he may measure the city, and its gates, and its wall; and the city lieth square, and the length of it is as great as the breadth; and he did measure the city with the reed — furlongs twelve thousand; the length, and the breadth, and the height, of it are equal; and he measured its wall, an hundred forty-four cubits, the measure of a man, that is, of the messenger; and the building of its wall was jasper, and the city [is] pure gold — like to pure glass; and the foundations of the wall of the city with every precious stone have been adorned; the first foundation jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, chalcedony; the fourth, emerald; the fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, topaz; the tenth, chrysoprasus; the eleventh, jacinth; the twelfth, amethyst. And the twelve gates [are] twelve pearls, each several one of the gates was of one pearl; and the broad-place of the city [is] pure gold — as transparent glass. And a sanctuary I did not see in it, for the Lord God, the Almighty, is its sanctuary, and the Lamb, and the city hath no need of the sun, nor of the moon, that they may shine in it; for the glory of God did lighten it, and the lamp of it [is] the Lamb; and the nations of the saved in its light shall walk, and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it, and its gates shall not at all be shut by day, for night shall not be there; and they shall bring the glory and the honour of the nations into it; and there may not at all enter into it any thing defiling and doing abomination, and a lie, but — those written in the scroll of the life of the Lamb.”
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Revelation 21:27 and there may not at all enter into it any thing defiling and doing abomination, and a lie, but — those written in the scroll of the life of the Lamb. | Young's Literal Translation 1898 (YLT98) | Download The Bible App Now

and there may not at all enter into it any thing defiling and doing abomination, and a lie, but — those written in the scroll of the life of the Lamb.

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With love to you take care.

 

[Jack]

Hell will be filled with people who don't believe in Hell.

 

[MatthewG]

Just gotta read the words of John? And decide for yourself…. It’s really amazing how understudied the topic “hell” is.

 

[Jack]

Just gotta read the words of John? And decide for yourself…. It’s really amazing how understudied the topic “hell” is.

Amen!

John 5
Whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.

 

[MatthewG]

Amen!

John 5
Whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.

Jesus ends up calling them fools right after saying this. Did you know that, ?

I wasn’t looking for an amen. That is for certain it’s still true the understudied topic of “hell” still stands.

For truth one has to seek out answers?

Peoples bodies got thrown into Gheanna (hell) literally.

 

[Jack]

Jesus ends up calling them fools right after saying this. Did you know that, ?

Jesus is God. God can drown all on Earth but eight. He answers to NOBODY.

I wasn’t looking for an amen. That is for certain it’s still true the understudied topic of “hell” still stands.

For truth one has to seek out answers?

The NT is quite clear about the "everlasting fire", "the lake of fire", "hell fire" ....

 

[MatthewG]

Jesus is God. God can drown all on Earth but eight. He answers to NOBODY.

The NT is quite clear about the "everlasting fire", "the lake of fire", "hell fire" ....

Just asking, thank you for sharing, Jack. You don’t have to answer me. I’m not God. I’m not so sure I’m looking for any answer. Truth is out there though, founded in the Bible by and through study.

 

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In the story told at Luke 16-19-31, the beggar Lazarus died and was carried
by angels to the afterlife. Curiously, the rich man's transportation isn't
specified.

One of the most disturbing scenes I've yet to observe in a Hollywood movie
occurs in "GHOST" starring Patrick Swayze and Demi Moore. When someone
marked for the wrong side of the afterlife passes away, these eerie
phantoms emerge, having the appearance of black oily smoke, uttering
awful moans, and drag their panic-stricken captives down into the ground.

I don't know if that's how the rich man in Luke's story was transported, but
if so; I can well imagine just how shocking and horrifying it must've been for
him at death to suddenly be able to see menacing spirit creatures
surrounding him with looks on their faces that could only convey but one
unmistakable intent; and I suspect those sinister beings had been hovering
around that poor man and stalking him every day and night of his entire life
without him knowing it and patiently waiting for the green light to take him
down.

So, I wonder if the angels that provided Lazarus transportation were not also
assigned as security to protect him from being shanghaied by something
similar to those dark mists.

Pop Clock Update: 4,033 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 222,202,168
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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[MatthewG]

The story of the parable of the sower, and the rich man was a story about hell, but what is amazing is that Jesus says that he was going to come and put hell away. What you believe about that is up to you some people believe that people burning alive still since 2000 years ago but I believe Jesus Christ is overcome hell but if you don’t believe it it’s up to you.

 

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people burning alive

It appears to me that Luke 16:24 is saying the rich man is amidst fire but not
on fire, i.e. he isn't ablaze, rather; his circumstances are sort of like baking
bread and biscuits which are normally cooked with heat rather than igniting
them like a torch.

Also it appears flames of the furnace aren't blinding because the man is able
to see past them to speak with Abraham some distance away.

since 2000 years ago

People have been filtering into perdition not only since the time of Christ,
but since before the Step Pyramid of Djoser, and even before the Flood. I
won't speculate how many years that might be, but h.sapiens is thought by
some to have achieved full behavioral modernity something like 50,000
years ago. (There's new findings suggesting that human existence goes as
far back as 150-300,000 years) Anyway; whether that extends clear on back
to Adam and Eve I have no clue; but just think: if it does, then Cain and
others from his era have been down in the netherworld all this time.

It's difficult for the human mind to appreciate 50,000 years let alone
300,000. I've been on the Earth for just 79, and I've noticed that my
childhood is so far in the past to me now as to seem more like a fantasy
than a memory. But you know; when you're talking about eternity, 50,000
years isn't even a drop in the bucket. If it were a drop in the bucket, it would
be a bucket with no bottom; which is roughly akin to the futility of a gnat
attempting to drink up the Atlantic ocean.

But just think: time stands still in hell: it's for the now; it's an existence.
People who arrived there yesterday didn't begin doing time in jail expecting
to get out some day; nor is perdition a temporary tour of duty like shipping
out to Afghanistan. No, people in hell are in it as perpetual residents; they're
in a rut.

They go year, after year, after year, after year, with no relief from the pain
and discomfort: no vacations, no recreation, no reading materials, and no
hobbies-- there's absolutely nothing to do. The mental atrophy, and the
boredom that must result from that kind of mindless existence is beyond
estimation.
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