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Pop Clock Update: 3,924 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 216,196,704
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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Body’s are not in Hell...yet.

People's afterlife circumstances are a bit of a mystery. They leave their
bodies behind when they die and no one's body is restored to life till one of
the resurrections spoken of by Dan 12:2 and John 5:28-29, yet Luke 16:19-
-31 depicts Abraham with a bosom, Lazarus with a finger, and the rich man
with a tongue; so it appears that folks in the afterlife do have some sort of
human existence.
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People's afterlife circumstances are a bit of a mystery. They leave their
bodies behind when they die and no one's body is restored to life till one of
the resurrections spoken of by Dan 12:2 and John 5:28-29, yet Luke 16:19-
-31 depicts Abraham with a bosom, Lazarus with a finger, and the rich man
with a tongue; so it appears that folks in the afterlife do have some sort of
human existence.
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We are told step by step.
In Brief...

* The man kind of creature is created...body formed...blood life
* The man kind was made living............given soul.......Gods breath life.
Applies to all natural born alive earthly men.

* All body’s Will Die. All living souls will depart the dead body.
* Some souls will never be saved...that soul goes to hell.
* Some souls shall be Saved after bodily death...that soul goes to heaven.
* Some souls (Crucified with Jesus) are Saved Before Body’s mortal death...
That soul goes to heaven after mortal bodily death.

* Some men will receive circumcision of their heart, seed of God, Rebirth of their natural spirit (which is their natural truth in their heart.) Their new Spirit can never die. Their new spirit goes to heaven when their mortal body dies.
* Some men will not., their natural spirit dies with their mortal body.

All departed souls ARE still living...still have Gods breath of life.
Living souls in heaven are in peace, rest, comfort WITH God.
Living souls in hell are in gloom, discomfort, without peace, WITHOUT God.

Departed souls...(saved or not...in heaven, in hell....
Can; See, Hear, Speak, Taste, Smell, Feel Touch, Feel Emotion.

The nature of a man...Is a mans body...requires Eyes to See, Ears to Hear, Tongue to Speak...etc.... And A living soul in his body FOR his Eyes TO See, his Ears TO Hear, etc.

The living soul in the body...activates the man senses....and the senses once activated, continue outside of the body, in the departed living soul...when the living soul departs the dead body.

All living body’s on Earth, all living souls...above the earth, in the seas, under the earth...shall see the Son of man coming to Earth WITH clouds.

After the millennial reign...demonic angels ever living spirits are cast into the pits of Hell...
And Gods Vengeance poured out...mortal live of mankind shall end.

Then Judgement...
Demonic Spirits ... Lake of Fire.
All men’s living souls returned to their Bloodless body’s.
All body’s bend down and Worship Christ Jesus.

Some body’s are raised in a glorious body...their new ever living spirit and Saved Restored Living souls Returns to their new glorious body. They receive Rewards for having done Works that Glorified God. They forever occupy The new Earth With God.

Gods life in Unsaved souls, Returns to God...their lifeless body, their lifeless soul both destroyed in Hell...they forgotten, no memory of them is remembered.

A man can only receive salvation of his soul...if he heartfully Believes (in his natural spirit in his Heart) while that man IS alive in his bodily (blood) Life., Before His Natural mortal body dies.

We can speculate WHO that might personally apply to.

(However who only knows for sure IS God and that individual man.)

Living men, with indication or wonderment that their loved one died without a saved soul and think they can pray, appeal to God to save that man’s soul...is fruitless.
That would make God a liar, to save a soul that rejected Him, while that soul was alive in that mans living (blood life) body.
All things are Possible WITH...such a man is not With God.
God can Not Lie.

The mystery is not what shall BE...
Rather WHO (individually) does this or that Apply TO and WHY.

Glory to God,
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If there is such a thing as soul sleep, I won't know it, here's why:

I've been under anesthesia once for appendicitis, twice for hernias, one for a
scalp lump, once for a kidney stone, twice for total knee replacements, once
for a colonoscopy, once for lung cancer, and once for an endoscopy.

In none of those procedures was I aware of the passage of time. The very
moment I went under was simultaneous with awakening. So if soul sleep is
like that, I'll be in Heaven as if I went from here to there in less than a
second of time on the clock, i.e. instantaneously. The same can be said for
folks on track to face justice, i.e. there will be no delay.

Pop Clock Update: 3,934 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 216,747,664
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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Hell will be filled with people who don't believe in Hell.
 

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Consider "Christianity". Many thousands of "Christians" who believe drastically different.

So what? The underlying message of Jesus remains the same no matter which style different denominations use..:)
Same with a good song, there are many cover versions recorded by different singers but it's still the same song underneath.
 

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So what? The underlying message of Jesus remains the same no matter which style different denominations use..:)
Same with a good song, there are many cover versions recorded by different singers but it's still the same song underneath.
Really? Which world are you in?
 

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So what? The underlying message of Jesus remains the same no matter which style different denominations use..:)
Same with a good song, there are many cover versions recorded by different singers but it's still the same song underneath.
Really? Which world are you in?

Which particular denominations have got your gander mate? I know there are some real stinkers out there but the ones that stick with Jesus's teachings are generally alright..:)
(I'm non-denom myself)
 

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Which particular denominations have got your gander mate? I know there are some real stinkers out there but the ones that stick with Jesus's teachings are generally alright..:)
(I'm non-denom myself)
In case you haven't noticed, there are thousands of churches that call themselves "Christians" and have drastically different beliefs. The problem is quite simple. Most "Christians" reject the literal Bible. Satan has been BUSY!
 
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In case you haven't noticed, there are thousands of churches that call themselves "Christians" and have drastically different beliefs. The problem is quite simple. Most "Christians" reject the literal Bible. Satan has been BUSY!

Yes we know, they're 'spiritual perverts'-
"If anyone preaches a perverted gospel they're accursed" (Gal 1:6-9)
But they can't get under the Bible's radar..:)
Jesus said:-"Not all who call me "Lord, Lord" will enter the kingdom of heaven. Then I'll tell them plainly, I never knew you, get away from me" (Matt 7:21-23)
"Beware men who spoil you with enticing words, deceitful philosophy not after Christ" (Col 2:4-8 )
"Ignorant people distort things, to their own destruction" (2 Pet 3:16/17)
"Ungodly men have slipped in among you" (Jude 4)

"Don't get carried away by strange teachings" (Heb 13:9)
"They want to win you over and alienate you from us" (Gal 4:17)
 

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God has a passion for mercy and generosity; but they're not His only
passions.

Rom 11:22 . . Behold then the kindness and severity of God

The human condition is so bad, so corrupt, and so hopeless that only the
death of God's sole descendant is adequate to rescue everybody from the
lake of fire depicted at Rev 20:10-15 where numbers of folks will be
terminated with extreme prejudice by a mode of death akin to a foundry
worker falling into a kettle of molten iron.

Now, who in their right might mind can look at that scene and not come
away with the opinion that it depicts a very cruel and unusual punishment?
Why not just put folks down with an injection so that they softly and gently
fall asleep never to wake up? Wouldn't that be nicer, more humane? Yes that
would be nicer and more humane; but would it satisfy God?

Adam started out in the image of God. So at first, his sense of right and
wrong was in agreement with his creator's sense of right and wrong. Then
came the forbidden fruit incident when Adam's original sense of right was
lost and his conscience became that of a tin god.

Well; that's why many of us cannot appreciate our maker's justice. If we did,
we wouldn't be criticizing Him for the way He intends to punish folks.
Instead, we'd be cheering Him on; like this:

Rev 16:5-7 . .Then I heard the angel in charge of the waters say: You are
just in these judgments: You who are, and who were; the Holy one, because
you have so judged . . .Yes, Lord God Almighty, true and just are your
judgments.

* The "Holy one" is none other than God's descendant, i.e. the sweet little
babe away in a manger will be presiding at the great white throne event.

John 5:22-23 . . Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all
judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son just as they honor the
Father.

Acts 17:31 . . He has set a day when He will judge the world with justice
by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by
raising him from the dead.

Pop Clock Update: 3,938 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 216,968,048
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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Luke 16:27-29 . . I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, for
I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to
this place of torment. Abraham replied: They have Moses and the Prophets;
let them listen to them.

Although many details pertaining to the afterlife are absent in the Old
Testament, Moses and the prophets wrote quite a bit about retribution.
Torah-trained Jews have always known something frightening is in the
works. For example:

Ex 34:6-7 . . Then The Lord passed by in front of Moses and proclaimed:
The Lord, The Lord God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and
abounding in loving-kindness and truth; who keeps loving-kindness for
thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no
means leave the guilty unpunished:

Now the big problem with the rich man's brothers per Luke 16:19-31 wasn't
related to knowing; their problem was related to hearing-- common among
the Jews.

Matt 13:15 . . For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly
hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might
see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and
turn, and I would heal them.

The writer to the Hebrews said something like that too in 5:11.

"Concerning him we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you
have become dull of hearing."

The Greek word for "dull" means lazy, i.e. indifferent. (cf. Heb 6:12)

Pop Clock Update: 3,942 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 217,188,432
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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Ps 115:17 . .The dead do not praise The Lord, nor do any who go down
into silence.

"any who go down into silence" tells us that certain folks might just as well
be mute in the afterlife because The Lord no longer lends them His ear;
they're permanently cut off from His benevolence, viz: God has no interest
whatsoever in either their worship or their prayers, i.e. they are dead to
Him; and as far as He's concerned they're like old documents disposed in the
shredder because they no longer matter.

* It's conceivable that the outer darkness spoken of in the 8th and 22nd
chapters of Matthew is a sort of reiteration of Ps 115:17. In other words:
although folks alienated from God are in a darkness of sorts already; He
hasn't totally abandoned them yet.

Matt 5:44-45 . . I say, love your enemies. Pray for those who persecute
you. In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in
heaven. For He gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and He
sends rain on the just and on the unjust, too.

Illustrations for Dante's Inferno by the artist Gustave Doré may not be
entirely true, but they sure do a good job of impressing the total and
complete absence of God's benevolence in the netherworld.

Pop Clock Update: 3,951 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 217,684,296
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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I think most folks would agree that monsters like Kim Jong-Un, Xi Jinping,
Robert Mugabe, Muammar Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein, human traffickers, and
drug cartel kingpins belong in Hell; but why are decent folk down there?

Well; obviously humanity's moral compass points to a different north than
their maker's, viz: sometimes what's permissible in human reasoning is
unacceptable to God. Why is that?

In the beginning; humanity was created with a conscience patterned after its
maker's conscience.

"And God said: Let us make man in our image, after our likeness . . So God
created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male
and female created he them." (Gen 1:26-27)

Then came the forbidden fruit incident, wherein humanity's conscience lost
its divine quality and became humanistic.

Then the Lord God said: Behold, the man has become like one of us,
knowing good and evil. (Gen 3:22)

There's a rather humorous scene in Dante's Inferno where these two guys
who knew each other in life are quarreling over who deserves Hell more than
the other; which is pretty silly when it's considered that both are in the same
place and on the same level.

I rather suspect that quite a few folks sincerely believe God has made a big
mistake sending them down there. In their judicious estimation; others
deserve it for sure, but not them.

Pop Clock Update: 3,955 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 217,904,680
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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FAQ: Was Adam's disobedience a Hell-worthy transgression?

REPLY: No.

According to Gen 2:17 it was a death-worthy transgression rather than Hell
worthy. In other words; the proper penalty for Adam's mistake was simply
his loss of immortality; and of course loss of access to the tree of life too.
(Gen 3:22-24) Now as to Adam's later sins; that's something else.

Pop Clock Update: 3,962 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 218,290,352
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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Consider a Jewish man; he's undergone circumcision the eighth day as
required, and successfully completed Bar Mitzvah. From that point on he is
obligated to comply with the covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with
God on oath per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.

Now supposing that same Jewish man begins to have second thoughts about
the covenant and thinks maybe he would like to try something else. Well; he
is not at liberty to just up and walk away from the covenant; no, not when
he is very likely indebted to it via one or more of the curses listed at Lev
26:14 39, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut 28:15-68. Those curses have to be
satisfied first before he can even surmise himself free to transfer his
affections to another religion. However; if that man would like; Christ can do
it all for him.

Isa 53:6 . .We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to
his own way; and The Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Pop Clock Update: 3,966 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 218,510,736
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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The disturbing scene depicted at Rev 20:11-15 will be presided over by none
other than the sweet little babe away in a manger.

John 5:21-23 . . Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all
judgment to the Son

Acts 17:31 . . He has set a day when He will judge the world with justice
by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by
raising him from the dead.

Misogyny was given quite a bit of negative press during former US President
Trump's administration; while misandry was treated as if acceptable. But
malice is unacceptable with God on any level; and I think we have to accept
the possibility that there are just as many, if not more, man haters in Hell as
there are woman haters.

Rom 2:9-11. .There will be trouble and distress for every human being
who does evil: For God does not show favoritism.

Women are not a protected species with God; nor is their gender a
mitigating factor. They will be judged solely on the basis of their lives just
the same as men.

Rev 20:12-15 . . I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the
throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the
book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as
recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death
and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged
according to what he had done. . . And whosoever's name was not found
written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

* I would really hate to be a woman infected with militant misandry because
in the end, it will be a man that casts malicious women into the lake of fire
and permanently ruining any chances they might have had for happiness in
the future. For all eternity, condemned man haters will grind their teeth with
hot tears and white knuckled fury that they ultimately lost out on everything
because of one lone male's obsessive control over their lives.

Pop Clock Update: 3,972 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 218,841,312
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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Rev 16:8-9 . .The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the
sun was given power to scorch people with fire. They were seared by the
intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these
plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify Him.

Rev 16:10-11 . .The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the
beast, and his kingdom was plunged into darkness. Men gnawed their
tongues in agony and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and
their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done.

You know what's missing in those two scenarios? The element of fright is
missing. The recipients of those acts of God actually get angry and resentful
instead of scared.

Back in the sixth chapter, people panic and actually pray to be buried alive
rather than face the wrath of God. But apparently by the time of the
sixteenth chapter, they're over it. Well; no surprise there.

The first time I heard of Jesus' return I got nervous because, at the time, I
had a lot to answer for. But the nervousness soon passed, and I became
indignant because I don't like being made afraid; so I can sort of understand
the people's change of mood between the sixth chapter and the sixteenth.
Hell is no doubt populated by a large number of very outraged folks.

Pop Clock Update: 3,978 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 219,171,888
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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