shturt678
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Thank you for your caring again!brakelite said:Wondering if any advocate for eternal torment has an asnwer to this quote from an earlier post....
Jesus took upon Himself the full payment for our sin. He paid the full redemptive price for our transgression. Jesus was the full propitiation. No Christian can deny this. No Christian would dare to deny this. If a Christian would dare to do so, he is then admitting that he must pay a portion of the price himself. This is not the Christian gospel. It is a false pagan concept inherited into the papal apostasy and bequeathed to Protestantism who have yet to fully "come out of her". I repeat, Jesus did indeed pay the full redemptive price for our transgression. And what was that price? The wages of sin is death! Nothing more, nothing less. Death! Eternal and never ending. No hope, no resurrection.
Re 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Re 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Re 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Re 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Re 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Mal. 4:1 ¶ For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Rev.20:14, "And the death and the hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This death is the second one, the lake of fire." First and foremost "all in the tombs" will rise with their new bodies on the last day (Jn.5:28, 29). Alll wil be resurrected with new bodies, ie, the good and the bad one time to live one of two places for ever and ever.
Regarding Rev.20:14, the only difficulty is that, when hades means hell (which it does), and the lake of fire also means hell, we may wonder how the one can "be thrown" into the other, ie, the answer:
"This death" is the second death of course, (namely) "the lake of the fire", "This death" = the throwing of the two companions, death and hades, into the lake of fire - Rev.20:10, "...and they shall be tormented by and by night for the eons of the eons." Mk.9:43-48, ie, tormented inwardly and outwardly forever and ever - not a pretty sight.
Old Jack in pain already just thinking about it.