Here we go - Slavery

[Reggie Belafonte]

Why didn't god just condemn slavery in teh bible like other sins?

Because it's not a Sin.
You are a Slave to Sin until you become Born Again.
All people are Slaves to Sin and in such they are enslaved by such a weakness and that's why Jesus Christ came so save you from your Sin.
Todays world has given up on Jesus Salvation and they are empowering people to become a slave to Sin, Political Correctness is the work of the Anti-Christ as is Socialism, such things are what's called mans works, it's void of God. but only serves gods or mans idols.
They are idolising their own works, look at abortion on demand nowadays they have worshiped the old Moloch god again and they are proud of such just as the idiot fools were back in them days. and I could go on and on with such Satanic power that is leading the whole world astray nowadays. what idiots !
I am disgusted at the Churches for not standing up for Jesus Christ nowadays.
I am disgusted at the people who have been fooled to look forward to the so called rapture, that to me is like people peddling in want as to causing WW2 for their own ends and glad at the misery that they will cause. such is the work of Satan, leading people astray, as all will go through the hellfire of their own works.
Hellfire only comes due to rejecting God and if the majority are worthy of Jesus Christ such will never have to endure Hellfire because if a Nation is obeying Gods rules and truly loves Jesus Christ they would not have to endure hellfire.
The works of Satan are what brings on the hellfire.

 

[Marymog]

"Now these are the rules that you shall set before them. When you buy a Hebrew slave he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing." (Ex 21:1-2, ESV)

"When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money." (Ex 21:20-21 ESV)

This verse in context is saying these things:
1. God made rules for one person to enslave another by.
2. God says here that a slave is another persons money, dehumanizing them.
3. God made rules for one person to beat another with a rod.
4. God is ok with a slave being beaten so bad that he may only survive a day or two as long as you don't hit them in the eye or make a tooth come out (26-27).

Why is this god, if he exists, to be followed? Or, are these verses saying something different?

Hi Vince....Hugs to you....

Are rules for slavery in Scripture evidence there is no God?

 

[Waiting on him]

"Now these are the rules that you shall set before them. When you buy a Hebrew slave he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing." (Ex 21:1-2, ESV)

"When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money." (Ex 21:20-21 ESV)

This verse in context is saying these things:
1. God made rules for one person to enslave another by.
2. God says here that a slave is another persons money, dehumanizing them.
3. God made rules for one person to beat another with a rod.
4. God is ok with a slave being beaten so bad that he may only survive a day or two as long as you don't hit them in the eye or make a tooth come out (26-27).

Why is this god, if he exists, to be followed? Or, are these verses saying something different?

I’m a slave to Christ, and very comfortable with it.

 

[Vince]

Hi Vince....Hugs to you....

Are rules for slavery in Scripture evidence there is no God?

Thanks for the hugs!

I am looking for evidence for a god not against a gods existence. That is a claim I am not making. Anyway, that is a different point all together. Do you think it was moral for god to allow someone to beat a slave as long as you don't beat injure their eyes and as long as they don't die within 1-2 days?

 

[Vince]

I’m a slave to Christ, and very comfortable with it.

Yes, but god doesn't beat you with a rod. Would you want to be a slave under these rules God set up?

 

[Waiting on him]

Yes, but god doesn't beat you with a rod. Would you want to be a slave under these rules God set up?

He beats me with the rods of men.
You have no sight to this whatsoever.

 

[Waiting on him]

He beats me with the rods of men.
You have no sight to this whatsoever.

It’s how I learn obedience.

 

[Vince]

He beats me with the rods of men.
You have no sight to this whatsoever.

You keep avoiding the real question.

 

[Marymog]

Thanks for the hugs!

I am looking for evidence for a god not against a gods existence. That is a claim I am not making. Anyway, that is a different point all together. Do you think it was moral for god to allow someone to beat a slave as long as you don't beat injure their eyes and as long as they don't die within 1-2 days?

Your welcome.

You desire evidence for God. You seem to be suggesting that God would not make rules on how to treat a slave.

How are rules on how to treat a slave evidence their is no God?

Mary

 

[Waiting on him]

You keep avoiding the real question.

Maybe you just don’t like the answer

 

[Vince]

Maybe you just don’t like the answer

Do you think it is moral for God to allow the beating of a slave with a rod as long as they do not die within 1-2 days as long as they did not damage their eyes?

 

[Waiting on him]

Do you think it is moral for God to allow the beating of a slave with a rod as long as they do not die within 1-2 days as long as they did not damage their eyes?

On your part he is evil spoken of.

 

[Vince]

On your part he is evil spoken of.

I don't understand what you are saying.

 

[Berserk]

Vince,

I just want you to know that I am appalled by the glib and simple-minded evasions posters have offered in response to your very legitimate issue. If their responses were the last word, then your rejection of biblical revelation would be eminently reasonable. But it is not: a proper response requires a new thread entitled "Progressive Revelation throughout Biblical History," the net result of which is biblical opposition to slavery. I will start such a thread when I have more time. Please stay tuned.

 

[Vince]

Your welcome.

You desire evidence for God. You seem to be suggesting that God would not make rules on how to treat a slave.

not at all. I am pointing out that a moral god would not make rules for beating a slave with a rod. You and I are more moral Than that.

How are rules on how to treat a slave evidence their is no God?

Mary

it isn’t. Just to be clear I have never claimed that god does not exist and I am not trying to prove that.

It’s interesting that no one answers the question. Like you, you answer with more questions.

Do you think it is moral of god to make a rule that Hebrew slave owners can beat their slaves with a rod as long as they don’t die within 1-2 day?

 

[Vince]

Vince,

I just want you to know that I am appalled by the glib and simple-minded evasions posters have offered in response to your very legitimate issue. If their responses were the last word, then your rejection of biblical revelation would be eminently reasonable. But it is not: a proper response requires a new thread entitled "Progressive Revelation throughout Biblical History," the net result of which is biblical opposition to slavery. I will start such a thread when I have more time. Please stay tuned.

I will wait, thanks.

 

[Marymog]

not at all. I am pointing out that a moral god would not make rules for beating a slave with a rod. You and I are more moral Than that.

it isn’t. Just to be clear I have never claimed that god does not exist and I am not trying to prove that.

It’s interesting that no one answers the question. Like you, you answer with more questions.

Do you think it is moral of god to make a rule that Hebrew slave owners can beat their slaves with a rod as long as they don’t die within 1-2 day?

hi Vince,

That moral God you speak of could stop all murders, rapes, tortures etc. and he doesn’t. Why do you have a problem with His rule on how to treat a slave?

What question have I not answered?

Mary

 

[Vince]

hi Vince,

That moral God you speak of could stop all murders, rapes, tortures etc. and he doesn’t. Why do you have a problem with His rule on how to treat a slave?

What question have I not answered?

Mary

Just because I think that god should have stopped slavery does not mean I don't think he should not stop murders, rapes etc.

This is the question I don't believe you have answered:

"Do you think it is moral of god to make a rule that Hebrew slave owners can beat their slaves with a rod as long as they don’t die within 1-2 days?"

 

[ScottA]

Just because I think that god should have stopped slavery does not mean I don't think he should not stop murders, rapes etc.

This is the question I don't believe you have answered:

"Do you think it is moral of god to make a rule that Hebrew slave owners can beat their slaves with a rod as long as they don’t die within 1-2 days?"

Do you think it is moral of Chuck Jones and Michael Maltese, the creators of Wile E. Coyote, to always have him prey on the Roadrunner?

Seriously... Who do creators think they are anyway!

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Any artist who depicts their creation in suffering should be considered immoral and criticized. ~Because I said so.

 

[Vince]

Do you think it is moral of Chuck Jones and Michael Maltese, the creators of Wile E. Coyote, to always have him prey on the Roadrunner?

Seriously... Who do creators think they are anyway!

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Any artist who depicts their creation in suffering should be considered immoral and criticized. ~Because I said so.

So another non answer to my question.

"Do you think it is moral of god to make a rule that Hebrew slave owners can beat their slaves with a rod as long as they don’t die within 1-2 days?"