HERESY?

[Moriah's Song]

Israel was seperate from the gentiles.

If you read the OT, you will find many words that indicate that Gentiles could join the Jewish faith without circumcision but were not permitted access to certain areas of the temple. Words like soujerner, alien, from afar, etc are Gentile terms in the OT.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

That is what Ironside taught.

Well that's just silly. The Church was FOR Israel. They were only partially blinded until the last of the Gentiles foreknown to come into the Church is fulfilled. Then that blindness shall fall off the eyes and minds of Israel, and all Israel alive at that time shall be saved. It ends for Gentiles and begins for Israel at the start of the Great Tribulation. That does NOT mean that the Gentiles will be raptured at that time, but will be tested and some martyred.

 

[Moriah's Song]

Scofield never taught that.

The original Scofield bible did.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

We did not die, we were already dead. We were born in adam, Born dead.

Born again does not mean being born spiritually twice, it means to be reborn, Only this time spiritually

Yes, that just means we went from immortal to mortal. When this body actually dies, it must wait for the resurrection.

No one said anything about being born spiritually twice. But going from dead in sin, to alive in the Spirit. That's once.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

The definition of a heretic is a person who violates established rules and tenants of a religion, or is a person who has views that don't conform to the norm.

This made me chuckle because it sort of could describe…Jesus. At least in the view of the religious men of His day…

 

[Moriah's Song]

The Church was FOR Israel. They were only partially blinded until the last of the Gentiles foreknown to come into the Church is fulfill.

From Dallas Theological Seminary....
Quote: Article XIII—The Church, A Unity of Believers
We believe that all who are united to the risen and ascended Son of God are members of the church which is the body and bride of Christ, which began at Pentecost and is completely distinct from Israel.

 

[Moriah's Song]

The Church was FOR Israel.

From FAITH BAPTIST BIBLE COLLEGE and THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY...
Quote: Tribulation
"We believe that the rapture of the Church will be followed on earth by Israel’s seventieth week; that, though there will be salvation, this will be a time of great judgments, the latter part being known as the Great Tribulation."

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If you read the OT, you will find many words that indicate that Gentiles could join the Jewish faith without circumcision but were not permitted access to certain areas of the temple. Words like soujerner, alien, from afar, etc are Gentile terms in the OT.

Yes this is true

But God still death through Israel and Israel kept all of Gods stuff. Including the word..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The original Scofield bible did.

No it did not

 

[Eternally Grateful]

From Dallas Theological Seminary....
Quote: Article XIII—The Church, A Unity of Believers
We believe that all who are united to the risen and ascended Son of God are members of the church which is the body and bride of Christ, which began at Pentecost and is completely distinct from Israel.

The church is distinct from Israel

Israel had its own purpose and plan. And not all israel is saved.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

From FAITH BAPTIST BIBLE COLLEGE and THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY...
Quote: Tribulation
"We believe that the rapture of the Church will be followed on earth by Israel’s seventieth week; that, though there will be salvation, this will be a time of great judgments, the latter part being known as the Great Tribulation."

And?

This does not say their will a different salvation. People will still be saved by faith nit law whether Christ comes or not

 

[Moriah's Song]

Israel had its own purpose and plan.

RIGHT!

 

[Moriah's Song]

People wil still be saved by law.

Scripture is clear....No one will be saved by law!
Romans 3:28...“For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.”

 

[1stCenturyLady]

From Dallas Theological Seminary....
Quote: Article XIII—The Church, A Unity of Believers
We believe that all who are united to the risen and ascended Son of God are members of the church which is the body and bride of Christ, which began at Pentecost and is completely distinct from Israel.

What? Why don't you quote the real authority on the subject. The Bible.

What makes them think that Jesus came to save just Gentiles. He came to His own. Israel. The Church started with only Jews. Gentiles weren't added until Cornelius in Acts of the Apostles chapter 10. And the Great Tribulation is for the Jews to come into the CHURCH, not to be saved into a separate entity. Oy vey! BTW, Jesus was a Jew. Just sayin...

What is separate are the Two Covenants.

 

[Moriah's Song]

What? Why don't you quote the real authority on the subject. The Bible.

WhyBecause it is not in the Bible...and that is my whole point! It was the imagination of "a person" by the names of Darby and Schofield then taught in Dallas Theological Seminary as well as D. L. Moody and the Moody Institutes as if it were fact. It originated in Scotland and England in the early 1800's and then brought to the USA.

What is separate are the Two Covenants.

Which two Covenants are you referring to?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

RIGHT!

Well bringing Christ to the world sal all nations if the world could be blessed is one

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Scripture is clear....No one will be saved by law!
Romans 3:28...“For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.”

That should have said Christ not law

I already said all people of all times were saved by grace through faith. If you were paying attention you should have realized my
Mistake

 

[Eternally Grateful]

WhyBecause it is not in the Bible...and that is my whole point! It was the imagination of "a person" by the names of Darby and Schofield then taught in Dallas Theological Seminary as well as D. L. Moody and the Moody Institutes as if it were fact. It originated in Scotland and England in the early 1800's and then brought to the USA.
Which two Covenants are you referring to?

You do realize the Abraham in covenant had two parts do you not?

 

[Moriah's Song]

No it did not

Do you have the 1909 original Scofield bible? I doubt it.

 

[Moriah's Song]

I already said all people of all times were saved by grace through faith. If you were paying attention you should have realized my
Mistake

You wrote what you wrote and I read what you wrote so please do not make me responsible for your "mistake."