A proof that the 1000 year reign of Christ with His people is in the heavenly throne room, not the earth

[Marilyn C]

You are not paying attention to my point. I'm not saying that Zechariah 14 should have all detail. But, it does have a lot of detail, so why no mention of Satan at all when the binding and loosing of Satan is a major part of Revelation 20?


Where are you seeing that?


The purpose of those were to foreshadow His sacrifice. What purpose would sacrifices for future reconciliation serve when Jesus has already made reconciliation for the sins of Israel and the whole world long ago with His "once for all" sacrifice?


Where is this taught in scripture? You seem to be making things up.


Some are Christians. What do you mean "they as a nation need forgiveness"? Forgiveness of sins is an individual thing.


Where does it say that anyone needs that in the future?

Ask God why He didn`t include that detail in Zechariah.

Teaching - `They shall keep my laws and my statutes in all my appointed meetings, and they shall hallow my Sabbaths.` (Ez. 44: 24)

Israel is an earthly nation with an earthly purpose. The millennium is for them to fulfill what God intended for them - to rule righteously over the nations. Remember the 70 x 7 well that included `your people and your holy city.` National repentance was always what God sought for Israel. The leaders of Israel needed to submit to God. Yes individuals turned to God but the rulers had to for the Nation.

God gave Israel certain feasts that would need fulfilling. The millennium is the fulfillment of the Feast of Tabernacles. (Zech. 14: 16 - 19) It had to be celebrated a certain way, (Lev. 23: 33 - 36) This is how people on earth learnt God`s ways.

We, as the Body of Christ have the Holy Spirit within and He guides us. We are a heavenly people. Israel is an earthly nation and as such needs earthly guidance and teaching of God`s ways. They then teach the nations. (Micah 4: 1 - 3)

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Ask God why He didn`t include that detail in Zechariah.

Haha. I dont need to do that because I don't see Zechariah 14 as being directly related to Revelation 20. You should do that.

 

[ewq1938]

I Disagree, there is one future judgement of all that have lived, Revelation 20:11-15 is one of many places this one and only future judgement

You can repeat yourself a 100 times, I Disagree

I quoted scripture. You didn't address them.

 

[Truth7t7]

Ask God why He didn`t include that detail in Zechariah.

Teaching - `They shall keep my laws and my statutes in all my appointed meetings, and they shall hallow my Sabbaths.` (Ez. 44: 24)

Israel is an earthly nation with an earthly purpose. The millennium is for them to fulfill what God intended for them - to rule righteously over the nations. Remember the 70 x 7 well that included `your people and your holy city.` National repentance was always what God sought for Israel. The leaders of Israel needed to submit to God. Yes individuals turned to God but the rulers had to for the Nation.

God gave Israel certain feasts that would need fulfilling. The millennium is the fulfillment of the Feast of Tabernacles. (Zech. 14: 16 - 19) It had to be celebrated a certain way, (Lev. 23: 33 - 36) This is how people on earth learnt God`s ways.

We, as the Body of Christ have the Holy Spirit within and He guides us. We are a heavenly people. Israel is an earthly nation and as such needs earthly guidance and teaching of God`s ways. They then teach the nations. (Micah 4: 1 - 3)

Marilyn please respond directly to 1 Corinthians 15:21-24 and the words (Afterward They That Are Christ's At His Coming. Then Cometh The End) Please Give Your Interpretation of those words in bold red, thanks

Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End) not a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth as many "Falsely" claim

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The scripture above is in perfect agreement with Jesus being revealed in fire and brimstone as seen below (Then Cometh The End) as all the unsaved wicked are destroyed at the Lord's return

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

The resurrection of "All" is seen below and the wicked are judged to eternal damnation, this is when the "Final Judgement" takes place (The End)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 Jesus clearly taught that the resurrection of "All" takes place on "The Last Day" this is in perfect agreement with the scripture above

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[Truth7t7]

Incorrect.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Before the thousand years even begins, there are thrones and judgment is given to those sitting on the thrones. Then we are introduced to a group of dead Christian martyrs who come back to life. Even the Amill scholar Barnes believes not only is there a judgment here but also states it is these dead martyrs that are being judged and there is only one judgment for them, eternal life!



John sees two groups of people/souls:

1. people sitting on thrones and judgment given to them
2. souls of the tribulation martyrs who instead of remaining dead are said to live with Christ

Claiming 1 and 2 are the same group doesn't make any sense. Those judging are not the second group mentioned. It can only be that second group of martyrs that were being judged and the judgment has to be a resurrection to life which we know is the reward for the dead in Christ.

Your claim is false, the complete context of Revelation 20:1-6 is in the Lord's Spiritual realm, there will be one future resurrection of all that have lived, and this takes place on the last day as Jesus taught in John 12:48

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

We see the same event in Daniel:

Dan 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.


Here are multiple thrones and God the Father himself sitting there.


Dan 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.


And here again judgment is mentioned and a large group standing before him. This must be the dead in Christ being judged to life because it cannot apply to the unsaved because the beast hasn't yet been slain:


Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.


This beast of course is also seen in Rev 19 being destroyed at the return of Christ. What we then have been given is a judgment of a group before the beast is destroyed so that group must be the saved being judged to eternal life as we also see in Rev 20.

Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

And just like it is for the thousand years, some "beasts" (the wicked/unsaved/and satan himself) have their lives prolonged. Indeed during the thousand years satan and many unsaved gentiles of the world's nations will live through the thousand years.

Your claim is false, Daniel 7:9-11 depicts the final judgment also seen in Revelation 20:11-15 same event in parallel teachings, the book of life will be opened "Once" to judge the dead

Revelation 20:13-15KJV
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Daniel 7:9-11KJV
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Before the thousand years even begins, there are thrones and judgment is given to those sitting on the thrones. Then we are introduced to a group of dead Christian martyrs who come back to life. This is a judgment and resurrection of only the saved. The unsaved are judged at a later time and at a later resurrection: "the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" so clearly AFTER the Millennium is when these are resurrected and judged.

Your claim is false, there is one future resurrection and final judgment of all that have lived, this takes place on the last day as Jesus clearly taught John 5:28-29, 1 Corinthians 15:21-24 John 12:48

Another example of the righteous being judged separately from the wicked:


Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.


Here we again have judgment of the righteous first! No wicked are being judged with the righteous.


Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Your claim is false again, Matthew 25:41 shows the final judgment of the unsaved wicked to the lake of fire, Matthew 25:46 shows the righteous being rewarded in judgement to "Eternal Life" while at the same time the unsaved wicked are judged to "Everlasting Punishment" also seen in John 5:28-29 and Daniel 12:2 this takes place at the coming of Jesus Christ with his holy angels as seen in Matthew 25:31

 

[Marilyn C]

Marilyn please respond directly to 1 Corinthians 15:21-24 and the words (Afterward They That Are Christ's At His Coming. Then Cometh The End) Please Give Your Interpretation of those words in bold red, thanks

Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End) not a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth as many "Falsely" claim

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The scripture above is in perfect agreement with Jesus being revealed in fire and brimstone as seen below (Then Cometh The End) as all the unsaved wicked are destroyed at the Lord's return

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

The resurrection of "All" is seen below and the wicked are judged to eternal damnation, this is when the "Final Judgement" takes place (The End)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 Jesus clearly taught that the resurrection of "All" takes place on "The Last Day" this is in perfect agreement with the scripture above

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

`Then cometh the end,` in Greek means a setting out to a conclusion or goal. There is a process as the Lord puts down all rule and authority and power. It does not happen in one swoop.

 

[Truth7t7]

`Then cometh the end,` in Greek means a setting out to a conclusion or goal. There is a process as the Lord puts down all rule and authority and power. It does not happen in one swoop.

Marilyn you deny (Then Cometh The End) means exactly what it states in plain English, there isn't any need to run off to a Greek lexicon with your private interpretation, the scripture in context clearly teaches its (The End)

Verse 21 speaks of (The Resurrection Of The Dead)

Verse 23-24 speaks of Christ's second coming and the resurrection, at this time (Then Cometh The End)

Verse 26 clearly states (The Last Enemy Destroyed Is Death)

Verse 52 clearly teaches that this resurrection takes place at (The Last Trump) in the twinkling of an eye

Verse 54 clearly teaches that when mortal becomes immortal in the resurrection (The Last Enemy Death Is Destroyed)(Then Cometh The End)

Marilyn will you continue to deny the very simple words of God before your eyes, when Jesus comes the resurrection takes place (Then Cometh The End) as the Last Enemy Death Is Destroyed as mortal becomes immortal in the twinkling of an eye at the Last Trump, your 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth is "Gone" its (Then Cometh The End) at the Lord's coming, not a 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 52-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Where does Rev. 19 say anything about the Lord stepping foot on the earth?

Where do you think He goes?

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


Is there life on another planet he is secretly revealing????????????????

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Where do you think He goes?

Can you acknowledge that the Revelation 19 passage doesn't say He goes all the way down to the earth?

Is there life on another planet he is secretly revealing????????????????

He will be stepping foot on the new earth, not this earth as we know it. As Peter said, in accordance with the fulfillment of the promise of His second coming we "look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.".

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

`Then cometh the end,` in Greek means a setting out to a conclusion or goal. There is a process as the Lord puts down all rule and authority and power. It does not happen in one swoop.

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Do you not think that Jesus will destroy all of His enemies by "taking vengeance on them" and bringing "sudden destruction" upon them from which "they shall not escape" in one swoop when He returns?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Marilyn you deny (Then Cometh The End) means exactly what it states in plain English, there isn't any need to run off to a Greek lexicon with your private interpretation, the scripture in context clearly teaches its (The End)

Verse 21 speaks of (The Resurrection Of The Dead)

Verse 23-24 speaks of Christ's second coming and the resurrection, at this time (Then Cometh The End)

Verse 26 clearly states (The Last Enemy Destroyed Is Death)

Verse 52 clearly teaches that this resurrection takes place at (The Last Trump) in the twinkling of an eye

Verse 54 clearly teaches that when mortal becomes immortal in the resurrection (The Last Enemy Death Is Destroyed)(Then Cometh The End)

Marilyn will you continue to deny the very simple words of God before your eyes, when Jesus comes the resurrection takes place (Then Cometh The End) as the Last Enemy Death Is Destroyed as mortal becomes immortal in the twinkling of an eye at the Last Trump, your 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth is "Gone" its (Then Cometh The End) at the Lord's coming, not a 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 52-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Yeah, if death isn't destroyed when death is swallowed up in victory, I don't know when else it would be destroyed. Paul was referencing Isaiah 25:8 in 1 Cor 15:54 and John referenced that same verse.

Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. 8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

1 Corinthians 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

So, when did Paul say Isaiah 25:8 would be fulfilled? When Jesus returns at the last trumpet. Therefore, Revelation 21:4 will also be fulfilled at that time since that relates directly to the fulfillment of Isaiah 25:8 as well.

 

[Truth7t7]

He will be stepping foot on the new earth, not this earth as we know it.

Israelite that's the point of contact where I believe the twinkling of an eye takes place, when the spiritual and eternal actually meet

It's not a matter of contention, just explaining my belief, where I see the change from earthly to eternal in the twinkling of an eye, judgement complete eternity begins in the NHNE

Earthly Meets Eternal, In The Twinkling Of An Eye NHNE Begins Below

Zechariah 14:4KJV
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

 

[Marilyn C]

Marilyn you deny (Then Cometh The End) means exactly what it states in plain English, there isn't any need to run off to a Greek lexicon with your private interpretation, the scripture in context clearly teaches its (The End)

Verse 21 speaks of (The Resurrection Of The Dead)

Verse 23-24 speaks of Christ's second coming and the resurrection, at this time (Then Cometh The End)

Verse 26 clearly states (The Last Enemy Destroyed Is Death)

Verse 52 clearly teaches that this resurrection takes place at (The Last Trump) in the twinkling of an eye

Verse 54 clearly teaches that when mortal becomes immortal in the resurrection (The Last Enemy Death Is Destroyed)(Then Cometh The End)

Marilyn will you continue to deny the very simple words of God before your eyes, when Jesus comes the resurrection takes place (Then Cometh The End) as the Last Enemy Death Is Destroyed as mortal becomes immortal in the twinkling of an eye at the Last Trump, your 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth is "Gone" its (Then Cometh The End) at the Lord's coming, not a 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 52-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

The New Testament isn`t written in English but Greek. So that is what we need to refer to.

 

[Marilyn C]

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Do you not think that Jesus will destroy all of His enemies by "taking vengeance on them" and bringing "sudden destruction" upon them from which "they shall not escape" in one swoop when He returns?

The word `Day` in Hebrew and Greek means - a period of time and a specific day.

Thus, when the Lord returns in power and great glory with His angelic army he will destroy His enemies.

Then throughout the millennium there will still be the rebellious that need to be `put down all authority and power..` and finally at the end of time the Lord will deal with the final rebellion. This is a process.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The word `Day` in Hebrew and Greek means - a period of time and a specific day.

Thus, when the Lord returns in power and great glory with His angelic army he will destroy His enemies.

Then throughout the millennium there will still be the rebellious that need to be `put down all authority and power..` and finally at the end of time the Lord will deal with the final rebellion. This is a process.

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

In this case the word "day" is clearly a literal 24 hour day or else the destruction that occurs when the day of the Lord arrives unexpectedly as a thief would not be called "sudden".

sudden (adjective): occurring or done quickly and unexpectedly or without warning.

 

[Truth7t7]

The New Testament isn`t written in English but Greek. So that is what we need to refer to.

Marilyn you didn't answer my claim your ran away from it "Why""?

Here It Is Once Again

Marilyn you deny (Then Cometh The End) means exactly what it states in plain English, there isn't any need to run off to a Greek lexicon with your private interpretation, the scripture in context clearly teaches its (The End)

Verse 21 speaks of (The Resurrection Of The Dead)

Verse 23-24 speaks of Christ's second coming and the resurrection, at this time (Then Cometh The End)

Verse 26 clearly states (The Last Enemy Destroyed Is Death)

Verse 52 clearly teaches that this resurrection takes place at (The Last Trump) in the twinkling of an eye

Verse 54 clearly teaches that when mortal becomes immortal in the resurrection (The Last Enemy Death Is Destroyed)(Then Cometh The End)

Marilyn will you continue to deny the very simple words of God before your eyes, when Jesus comes the resurrection takes place (Then Cometh The End) as the Last Enemy Death Is Destroyed as mortal becomes immortal in the twinkling of an eye at the Last Trump, your 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth is "Gone" its (Then Cometh The End) at the Lord's coming, not a 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 52-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

[Marilyn C]

Marilyn you didn't answer my claim your ran away from it "Why""?

Here It Is Once Again

Marilyn you deny (Then Cometh The End) means exactly what it states in plain English, there isn't any need to run off to a Greek lexicon with your private interpretation, the scripture in context clearly teaches its (The End)

Verse 21 speaks of (The Resurrection Of The Dead)

Verse 23-24 speaks of Christ's second coming and the resurrection, at this time (Then Cometh The End)

Verse 26 clearly states (The Last Enemy Destroyed Is Death)

Verse 52 clearly teaches that this resurrection takes place at (The Last Trump) in the twinkling of an eye

Verse 54 clearly teaches that when mortal becomes immortal in the resurrection (The Last Enemy Death Is Destroyed)(Then Cometh The End)

Marilyn will you continue to deny the very simple words of God before your eyes, when Jesus comes the resurrection takes place (Then Cometh The End) as the Last Enemy Death Is Destroyed as mortal becomes immortal in the twinkling of an eye at the Last Trump, your 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth is "Gone" its (Then Cometh The End) at the Lord's coming, not a 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 52-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

If You disregard what the original words say then we can go no further. Even the context tells us that it is a process.

`...when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet.` (1 Cor. 15: 24 & 25)

 

[Marilyn C]

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

In this case the word "day" is clearly a literal 24 hour day or else the destruction that occurs when the day of the Lord arrives unexpectedly as a thief would not be called "sudden".

sudden (adjective): occurring or done quickly and unexpectedly or without warning.

1 Thess. 5: 2. Actually, the Day of the Lord (period of time) starts with the northern army coming down to Israel. (Joel 2: 1& 2)

2 Thess. 1: 7. That is the specific Day of the Lord. (we agree)

 

[Truth7t7]

If You disregard what the original words say then we can go no further. Even the context tells us that it is a process.

`...when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet.` (1 Cor. 15: 24 & 25)

Marilyn why didn't you post verse 26?

Because it states "The Last Enemy Destroyed Is Death" this takes place at the resurrection and you see it before your eyes in denial

Jesus has put the last enemy death under his feet at the resurrection when mortal becomes immortal and its before your eyes, the kingdom at this time is handed over to the father and you know it

Verse 21 speaks of (The Resurrection Of The Dead)

Verse 23-24 speaks of Christ's second coming and the resurrection, at this time (Then Cometh The End)

Verse 26 clearly states (The Last Enemy Destroyed Is Death)

Verse 52 clearly teaches that this resurrection takes place at (The Last Trump) in the twinkling of an eye

Verse 54 clearly teaches that when mortal becomes immortal in the resurrection (The Last Enemy Death Is Destroyed)(Then Cometh The End)

Marilyn will you continue to deny the very simple words of God before your eyes, when Jesus comes the resurrection takes place (Then Cometh The End) as the Last Enemy Death Is Destroyed as mortal becomes immortal in the twinkling of an eye at the Last Trump, your 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth is "Gone" its (Then Cometh The End) at the Lord's coming, not a 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth

(The Last Enemy That Shall Be Destroyed Is Death)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 52-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

[Scott Downey]

`Then cometh the end,` in Greek means a setting out to a conclusion or goal. There is a process as the Lord puts down all rule and authority and power. It does not happen in one swoop.

It is all very quick, sudden destruction takes place when Christ returns
Please read the whole chapter for relevance of this
Christ died for us, so when Christ returns, we are preserved and they are suddenly destroyed, along with that world, not 1000 years later.
We are going to be glorified together with Christ if we are of His body.
v23 also verifies this even as the return of our Lord.
The 'comfort' Paul mentions, is God will preserve us who belong to Him. We are not suddenly destroyed as they are.
v27 mentions this must be read to all the brethren it is not a private teaching and it is important teaching.
Some are unruly and some must not be submitting to the Lord's apostolic teaching about that time to come. v27.

Paul wants them all to know the truth about what will happen when Christ returns.

1 Thess 5

The Day of the Lord​

But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be [a]sober. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. 8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. 9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.

11 Therefore [b]comfort each other and [c]edify one another, just as you also are doing.

Various Exhortations​

12 And we urge you, brethren, to recognize those who labor among you, and are over you in the Lord and [d]admonish you, 13 and to esteem them very highly in love for their work’s sake. Be at peace among yourselves.

14 Now we [e]exhort you, brethren, warn those who are [f]unruly, comfort the fainthearted, uphold the weak, be patient with all. 15 See that no one renders evil for evil to anyone, but always pursue what is good both for yourselves and for all.

16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.

19 Do not quench the Spirit. 20 Do not despise prophecies. 21 Test all things; hold fast what is good. 22 Abstain from every form of evil.

Blessing and Admonition​

23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify[g] you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 He who calls you is faithful, who also will do it.

25 Brethren, pray for us.

26 Greet all the brethren with a holy kiss.

27 I charge you by the Lord that this [h]epistle be read to all the [i]holy brethren.

28 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.