HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

[Spiritual Israelite]

That's fine, so there is no debate about it because your view and my view on it differs.

My view is based on the knowledge that all life is of God who had life in Himself from long before He created anything or anyone,

and created human beings will never ever have life in ourselves, because our life is IN CHRIST through His Spirit IN US, just Adam became a living soul when God breathed life into him

- and because we do not possess life in ourselves, our immortality - which refers NOT TO the eternal life [zoe] which is the source of being alive [zao] forever, but refers to being alive [zao] in a BODY that does not decay -

is not something we possess in ourselves, either - because immortality - being alive [zao] in a body that does not decay - is and always will be dependent on the life / eternal life [zoe] which we do not possess in ourselves, but is IN CHRIST.

- which IMO is why 1 Timothy 6:16 tells us that Christ alone possesses immortality. There is a difference between being given life [zoe] and being made immortal by God our Creator and possessing that life and immortality in ourselves. And the river of life [zoe] flows continually. We must continually drink of the living [zao] water. The fruit of the tree of life [zoe] giving each fruit in its season. After the resurrection this will keep us alive [zao] forever in a body that does not decay.

"After this, the judgment" is referring to the GWT at the close of the first thousand years of the ages of the ages, IMO.

Let me just ask you this. Do you see any scripture which specifically talks about any people being tested after they are bodily resurrected? That seems uncomfortably similar to what Jehovah's Witnesses believe.

 

[WPM]

That's fine, so there is no debate about it because your view and my view on it differs.

My view is based on the knowledge that all life is of God who had life in Himself from long before He created anything or anyone,

and created human beings will never ever have life in ourselves, because our life is IN CHRIST through His Spirit IN US, just Adam became a living soul when God breathed life into him

- and because we do not possess life in ourselves, our immortality - which refers NOT TO the eternal life [zoe] which is the source of being alive [zao] forever, but refers to being alive [zao] in a BODY that does not decay -

is not something we possess in ourselves, either - because immortality - being alive [zao] in a body that does not decay - is and always will be dependent on the life / eternal life [zoe] which we do not possess in ourselves, but is IN CHRIST.

- which IMO is why 1 Timothy 6:16 tells us that Christ alone possesses immortality. There is a difference between being given life [zoe] and being made immortal by God our Creator and possessing that life and immortality in ourselves. And the river of life [zoe] flows continually. We must continually drink of the living [zao] water. The fruit of the tree of life [zoe] giving each fruit in its season. After the resurrection this will keep us alive [zao] forever in a body that does not decay.

"After this, the judgment" is referring to the GWT at the close of the first thousand years of the ages of the ages, IMO.

Talk about adding unto Scripture. You add 1000 years to text after text in order to let Premil fit. Well, this is forbidden in Scripture.

Sorry to burst your bubble, when Jesus comes it is the end.

 

[Zao is life]

Let me just ask you this. Do you see any scripture which specifically talks about any people being tested after they are bodily resurrected? That seems uncomfortably similar to what Jehovah's Witnesses believe.

Nice slur introduced at this point by you. It's what you typically do when you post - introducing a slur.

I'm not a JW and I do not need to be a JW in order to compare scripture with scripture.

Comparing scripture with scripture I see scripture that implies that the NHNE follows immediately after the return of Christ.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see what you deny - scripture teaching us that the first thousand years of the ages of the ages follows the return of Christ.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see what you deny - Satan being bound after the return of Christ - for a thousand years - in terms of his ability to deceive the nations.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see Satan NOT currently bound in terms of his ability to deceive the nations - something you deny.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see the conclusion of the events of the third chapter of the Bible (and the first three chapters of the Bible) in the third-last chapter of the Bible (and in the last three chapters of the Bible).
Comparing scripture with scripture I cannot see how non-regenerated creation (mortals) will co-exist with regenerated creation and immortals.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see Satan being loosed after a thousand years and permitted one last time to deceive mankind - not Adam and Eve this time - but the nations descended from them.
Comparing scripture with scripture I know that only God has life in Himself and the life of created human beings is in Christ, and the immortality of created human beings depends on this God-given life, and I see this immortality itself being God-given.
Comparing scripture with scripture I know that God our Creator is able to destroy both soul and body in the lake of fire.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see scripture implying that the nations deceived by Satan will believe - like Adam and Eve did - the lie of Satan "You will NOT surely die".
Comparing scripture with scripture I see this as implying that those nations who are deceived by Satan are immortals who died in Christ and were resurrected from the dead but have no root in themselves - their faith was shallow and is still shallow. They were not promised like those who overcome that the second death will have no authority over them.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see the second death as the destruction of death.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see the GWT coming at the close of the first thousand years of the ages of the ages.

Comparing scripture with scripture and having the Holy Spirit of Christ as my helper I recognized the motive behind your above slur, though that does not mean I do not regard you as someone who belongs to Christ. It means that though you belong to Christ, you are capable of sinning against a brother in Christ by slurring him with a FALSE implication that he shares JW doctrine with JW's and "therefore at the very least believes in false doctrine".

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Nice slur introduced at this point by you. It's what you typically do when you post - introducing a slur.

I'm not a JW and I do not need to be a JW in order to compare scripture with scripture.

I did not accuse you of being a JW. Get a grip. I'm saying that it seems uncomfortably similar to what they believe. They also believe that people will be resurrected and then will live on the earth and be judged on how they live after they are resurrected. I'm not saying you believe exactly as they do, but it's too close to what they believe for comfort, in my opinion.

Comparing scripture with scripture I see scripture that implies that the NHNE follows immediately after the return of Christ.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see what you deny - scripture teaching us that the first thousand years of the ages of the ages follows the return of Christ.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see what you deny - Satan being bound after the return of Christ - for a thousand years - in terms of his ability to deceive the nations.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see Satan NOT currently bound in terms of his ability to deceive the nations - something you deny.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see the conclusion of the events of the third chapter of the Bible (and the first three chapters of the Bible) in the third-last chapter of the Bible (and in the last three chapters of the Bible).
Comparing scripture with scripture I cannot see how non-regenerated creation (mortals) will co-exist with regenerated creation and immortals.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see Satan being loosed after a thousand years and permitted one last time to deceive mankind - not Adam and Eve this time - but the nations descended from them.
Comparing scripture with scripture I know that only God has life in Himself and the life of created human beings is in Christ, and the immortality of created human beings depends on this God-given life, and I see this immortality itself being God-given.
Comparing scripture with scripture I know that God our Creator is able to destroy both soul and body in the lake of fire.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see scripture implying that the nations deceived by Satan will believe - like Adam and Eve did - the lie of Satan "You will NOT surely die".
Comparing scripture with scripture I see that implying that those nations are immortals who died in Christ and were resurrected from the dead but have no root in themselves - their faith was shallow and is still shallow. They were not promised like those who overcome that the second death will have no authority over them.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see the second death as the destruction of death.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see the GWT coming at the close of the first thousand years of the ages of the ages.

Comparing scripture with scripture and having the Holy Spirit of Christ as my helper I recognized the motive behind your above slur,

The Holy Spirit would tell you to stop acting as if you can read my mind and that it should make you think about what you believe when it's similar to something JWs believe about the after life. Again, I'm not saying you are a JW or believe exactly the same as them, but your belief is similar to theirs in terms of what they believe about the resurrection of the dead and I think that should make you think twice about it.

though that does not mean I do not regard you as someone who belongs to Christ. It means that though you belong to Christ, you are capable of sinning against a brother in Christ by slurring him with a FALSE implication that he shares JW doctrine with JW's and "therefore at the very least believes in false doctrine".

You are far too overly sensitive sometimes. I did NOT imply that you share JW doctrine. I said it SEEMS uncomfortably SIMILAR to what they believe. You're acting as if I said your belief IS with 100% certainty the SAME as theirs, but I did not say that.

 

[Zao is life]

I did not accuse you of being a JW. Get a grip.

If you were not intending to imply something by it, then you would not have said it.

I have a grip. It's you who loses your grip whenever you choose to.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

If you were not intending to imply something by it, then you would not have said it.

I explained what I meant by it. Did you not read my post? It wasn't that I was accusing you of being a JW.

I have a grip. It's you who loses your grip whenever you choose to.

You get angry and get offended very easily sometimes and you jump to conclusions like thinking that I was saying you are a JW, which I was not doing at all. People have to walk on eggshells talking to you.

 

[WPM]

Nice slur introduced at this point by you. It's what you typically do when you post - introducing a slur.

I'm not a JW and I do not need to be a JW in order to compare scripture with scripture.

Comparing scripture with scripture I see scripture that implies that the NHNE follows immediately after the return of Christ.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see what you deny - scripture teaching us that the first thousand years of the ages of the ages follows the return of Christ.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see what you deny - Satan being bound after the return of Christ - for a thousand years - in terms of his ability to deceive the nations.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see Satan NOT currently bound in terms of his ability to deceive the nations - something you deny.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see the conclusion of the events of the third chapter of the Bible (and the first three chapters of the Bible) in the third-last chapter of the Bible (and in the last three chapters of the Bible).
Comparing scripture with scripture I cannot see how non-regenerated creation (mortals) will co-exist with regenerated creation and immortals.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see Satan being loosed after a thousand years and permitted one last time to deceive mankind - not Adam and Eve this time - but the nations descended from them.
Comparing scripture with scripture I know that only God has life in Himself and the life of created human beings is in Christ, and the immortality of created human beings depends on this God-given life, and I see this immortality itself being God-given.
Comparing scripture with scripture I know that God our Creator is able to destroy both soul and body in the lake of fire.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see scripture implying that the nations deceived by Satan will believe - like Adam and Eve did - the lie of Satan "You will NOT surely die".
Comparing scripture with scripture I see that implying that those nations are immortals who died in Christ and were resurrected from the dead but have no root in themselves - their faith was shallow and is still shallow. They were not promised like those who overcome that the second death will have no authority over them.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see the second death as the destruction of death.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see the GWT coming at the close of the first thousand years of the ages of the ages.

Comparing scripture with scripture and having the Holy Spirit of Christ as my helper I recognized the motive behind your above slur, though that does not mean I do not regard you as someone who belongs to Christ. It means that though you belong to Christ, you are capable of sinning against a brother in Christ by slurring him with a FALSE implication that he shares JW doctrine with JW's and "therefore at the very least believes in false doctrine".

This is all religious noise. You have zero corroboration to cover every single main tenet of Premil.

• Where else in Scripture is a thousand years mentioned after the second coming?
• Where in Scripture (including Rev 20) is Jesus shown to be on a millennial earth?
• Where else in Scripture is the binding of Satan?
• Where else in Scripture are the 2 future resurrections?
• Where else in Scripture are the 2 future judgments?
• Where else in Scripture is the release of Satan and an unparalleled global uprising 1,000 years after the second coming?

 

[WPM]

I explained what I meant by it. Did you not read my post? It wasn't that I was accusing you of being a JW.


You get angry and get offended very easily sometimes and you jump to conclusions like thinking that I was saying you are a JW, which I was not doing at all. People have to walk on eggshells talking to you.

You will note: his evidence is his opinions. That is it. He thinks if he states an opinion, that makes it a fact. He is building is argument on sand.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe the NHNE follows immediately after the return of Christ.

1. It is done! and the promises to the one who overcomes.

Each time Jesus spoke directly to His seven churches at the beginning of His Revelation to the churches, He closed with a promise TO THOSE WHO OVERCOME.

Wud have been easier just to name what NHNE was instead of others having to look it up. Jesus spoke to his 7 Churches about OVERCOMING. Then we see the Pre Trib. Rapture in Rev. 4:1 and in Rev. 4:4 (go look) we see the Church a God's THRONE, with WHITE RAIMENT on and who have Crowns on their heads. Just just described the Church Age in Rev. 2 & 3 and told us what we would have on in heaven, after we OVERCOME then God shows us a group of people in heaven with all those things, on their head were crowns ad they were wearing white robes, and sitting at God's THRONE. And the 24 Elders is a coded way to beckon us to look at 1 Chronicles 24, the 24 Orders of the Priesthood, in Rev. 1:6 and in Rev. 5:9-10 God calls us a Kings and Priests. You miss the Church being at the throne of Gid before Jesus ever opens the Seals, I wonder why you miss this. seems odd? You talk about those who OVERCOME then miss its first appearance, and the first appearance of men sitting at God's Throne.

After the seventh and last time He closes with the above promise, He is not recorded as talking directly to His churches again until He interjects John's vision of the 6th bowl of wrath to say:

Revelation 16:15:
"Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is the one who watches and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame."

I just showed you the Church in heaven with Jesus in Rev. 4:4.

The whole "Thief in the Night" can only be a Pre Trib. Rapture, any other notion fails the test of time. At the 2nd coming ay person who knows when the Anti-Christ conquered Israel could count 1260 days and now exactly when the 2nd coming of Jesus was. God loves his mixed up riddles, thus is why He jumbled up the book of Revelation out of order to start with.

In Zech. 13, we get the first 5 verses about Jesus blood i the END TIME Cleansing Israel a Fountain has been opened to cleanse them and they repent. In verses 8-9 we are told 1/3 (5 million by todays numbers) will repent whilst 2/3 refuses to do so and will die. All this is end time prophesy, in Zech. 14:1 we see the DOTL arrives and in vs. 2 Israel is sacked, so it is end times, but in Zech. 13:6-7 and odd thing happens, we see Jesus was betrayed by friends of his own house and his flock was scattered. This is how Prophesy sometimes works, God intermingles TWO PROPHESIES in one place who time is 2000 years apart, one 500 years after the prophesy and the other 2500 years after the prophesy, it makes the prophesy that much more dynamic and powerful.

Likewise, Jesus at the 6th Vial, will not show up like a thief at the 7th Vial, this is God mocking them, saying did I not tell you this would all happen like a thief in the night. The Pre Trib. Rapture sealed their fates, they WERE GOING THROUGH THE 70th Week Troubles/Tribulations, just like once the rain started there was no flood until a few days later but not getting on the Ark sealed their fate also. So, when Vial #6 happens, just before Jesus' 2nd coming, God through John reminded them, I TOLD YOU SO, you refused to heed my warnings, with talking points like, "Where is the Promise of his coming?" etc. etc.

2. The promise that the throne of God will be among them.

In Revelation 7:13-17 we read about a great multitude, which no man could number, that came out from great tribulation, which they experienced before the return of Christ, and below is what else John saw regarding them:

We see this same group in Rev. 4:4, in Rev. 7 we see the 144,000 a CODE for ALL Israel who repents, so the 144,000 is the Jews Fleeing Judea at the AoD which happens JUST BEFORE God Wrath fall on mankind, because the Seals DO NOTHING except open the Scrolls with God's Wrath in them, the 7 Trumps = ALL of God's Wrath, the 7 Vials are the 3rd Woe, which comes forth from the 7th Trump. So, in Rev. 7 that is why God says HURT NOT the Earth, Tree nor Seas until the 144,000 (all Israel who repent, not every Jew) have been SEALED (by the holy spirit like us) and protected (in the Petra/Bozrah area). This is also why the 7th Seal is over in Rev. 8, it CAN NOT BE OPENED until Israel repents and Flees Judea to safety.

Those seen in Rev. 7:9-16 are the Pre Trib. Raptured Church which came out of MUCH TRIBULATION. In John 16:33 we are told by Jesus that in him we will have peace but in this [evil] world we will have continual tribulation. How many pf our brothers were murdered by the Romans? By the Muslims and Moore's by Jungle tries we tried to bring the Gospel unto? Millions and millions, we have troubles every day because the god of this world hates us, he never stops trying to harm us, but mostly if we live in the holy spirit and in the Western Cultures, we are pretty much, at least now, safe.

So, those were the Pre Trib. Raptured Church who came out of much TRIBULATION in this EVIL WORLD. The 5th Seal and Rev. 20:4 proves this is one stops and thinks it through logically. Jesus told those under the 5th Seal (who had not yet died by the way....it was a Prophetic Utterance, he FOREKNEW their hearts desires after they would soon die as Martyrs, but only after the Rev. 8 Asteroid hits earth. But the point is, Jesus SPECIFICALLY TOLD THEM..........they MUST WAIT for a Season before they could get vengeance, meaning for the Beasts 42 moth rule. Also, in Rev. 20:4 we see those Martyrs are RAISED & JUDGED only after the 2nd coming, so how could it be them in heaven? I am a realist and a dream dasher. It CAN NOT be them in Rev. 7 thus it can ONLY BE the Pre Trb. Raptured Church.

People instead of goin the extra mile, just seemingly accept way to much from other men, I used to do the same, but God wants to reveal these things unto us Himself.

3.) The THIRD POINT you make about the NHNE is not really a point tbh. Reread Rev. 20:4, ONLY THOSE who refused to take the Mark of the Beast (thus they have to have been on earth and gotten saved AFTER the Pre Trib. Rapture) will LIVE & REIGN with Jesus for 1000 years. Gid only needs so many with Glorious bodies under him, God hates idleness, and thus I assume God sends us the Bride of Christ to finish off New Jerusalem, thus as it Descends it will be called the Bride of Christ because we descend with it. But that happens after the 1000 year reign.

 

[Zao is life]

All those among us who believe the Word of God in Jesus Christ need to understand that Satan has never and will never receive his power to deceive the nations from God. He receives his power to deceive the nations when created human beings give him that power through believing (placing their faith in) the words of 'spiritual enlightenment' that originate in the father of lies, which are offered in opposition to the Word of God (Truth).

Satan has never been able to stop the spread of the gospel. Abel believed God and in the promise of the gospel, and God accepted His sacrifice. Noah believed God and in the gospel of the coming seed, and "being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith." Abraham believed God and in the gospel of the promised seed, and it was credited to him for righteousness.

Satan is not judged by God for the power created human beings have given him to deceive the nations - because God knows - and has told us - that the reason why created human beings give Satan power to deceive the nations is because some (many) of them LOVE DARKNESS rather than THE LIGHT, and this is BECAUSE THEIR deeds are evil (John 3:19).

in the Garden of Eden Satan was bound from offering his words of 'spiritual enlightenment' to created human beings in opposition to the Word of God (Truth) until the day God permitted him to do so. God withdrawing permission from the father of lies to offer words of 'spiritual enlightenment' to created human beings is what binds him - but he still receives no power to deceive the nations UNTIL his lying words of 'spiritual enlightenment' are believed by created human beings.

You know - we who believe in Jesus all know - that the day those created human beings believed his words of 'spiritual enlightenment' - which are always offered in opposition to the Word of God (Truth), those created human beings died - death came into their created bodies.

Created human beings who believe in (place their faith in) the Word of God who has become a human being (who is begotten, not created), who died for the sins of created human beings, and is risen from the dead, have passed from death to life.

But those created human beings who continue to give Satan power to deceive the nations through believing (placing their faith in) the words of 'spiritual enlightenment' which oppose the Word of God and which ALL originate in the father of lies, are condemned - because the reason they do so is because they LOVE DARKNESS rather than THE LIGHT, and this is BECAUSE THEIR deeds are evil.

So God has told us by what criteria created human beings will be judged either unto eternal life, or unto condemnation, and this status quo will continue for as long as God permits the words of 'spiritual enlightenment' originating in the father of ALL lies to be offered to created human beings.

For the first thousand years of the ages of the ages after our Savior has returned there will be no words of 'spiritual enlightenment' to oppose the Word of God, because God will not permit it to be so, and all those who are alive will have been resurrected from the dead bodily, each living in his own immortal body - just like Adam and and Eve were, before they sinned.

At the close of the thousand years God will permit the father of lies one last time to offer created human beings words of 'spiritual enlightnement' which oppose the Word of God (Truth) and imply that God is a liar

- so that each and every individual created human being which God created in His own image can be finally tested in order to ascertain how deep in himself the root of faith in the Word of God has been allowed by the individual to sink into his soul.

God has promised only those who overcome that Christ will not blot their names out of the book of life and that the second death will have no authority over them - and the God who created us is able to destroy both soul and body in the lake of fire. Jesus told us to fear Him. [/JUSTIFY]

AN ADVERSARY EXISTING IN A KING'S KINGDOM​

It's logical that if a king has an adversary in his kingdom who is causing disruption, killing or harming the king's subjects, deceiving as many as he can, continuously encouraging dissent against the king and continuously calling the king's authority and integrity into question,

then if the king wants to put a stop to it, he would need to either bind the adversary and lock him in a dungeon, rendering the adversary completely unable to cause more harm, or simply destroy the adversary,

but if the king in his wisdom and sovereign will continues to permit the adversary for a season and a time to continue, whether it be in order to separate the king's loyal and faithful subjects from his adversaries or for any other reason, then this choice and decision is within the king's sovereign right.​

 

[Zao is life]

Wud have been easier just to name what NHNE was instead of others having to look it up. Jesus spoke to his 7 Churches about OVERCOMING. Then we see the Pre Trib. Rapture in Rev. 4:1 and in Rev. 4:4

Obviously what you see, but not what John saw. Obviously you believe that the above verses are referring to saints caught up in the rapture, though John himself was in the spirit describing visions that he saw when Christ was giving John His Revelation to the churches, and what he was describing was saying nothing yet about the tribulation (which in scripture refers to something all the saints will endure at the hand of the beast).

Probably most Christians know that your interpretation of the verses you post above is just false. And you base the rest of your post upon a false assumption about the the saints being raptured before the tribulation

So there's not much anyone can to to help you to see your fallacy. You have to see it yourself.

Likewise, Jesus at the 6th Vial, will not show up like a thief at the 7th Vial, this is God mocking them, saying did I not tell you this would all happen like a thief in the night.

No. This is you mocking God and asserting that God will mock "those who were left behind after the rapture".

 

[WPM]

All those among us who believe the Word of God in Jesus Christ need to understand that Satan has never and will never receive his power to deceive the nations from God. He receives his power to deceive the nations when created human beings give him that power through believing (placing their faith in) the words of 'spiritual enlightenment' that originate in the father of lies, which are offered in opposition to the Word of God (Truth).

Satan has never been able to stop the spread of the gospel. Abel believed God and in the promise of the gospel, and God accepted His sacrifice. Noah believed God and in the gospel of the coming seed, and "being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith." Abraham believed God and in the gospel of the promised seed, and it was credited to him for righteousness.

Satan is not judged by God for the power created human beings have given him to deceive the nations - because God knows - and has told us - that the reason why created human beings give Satan power to deceive the nations is because some (many) of them LOVE DARKNESS rather than THE LIGHT, and this is BECAUSE THEIR deeds are evil (John 3:19).

in the Garden of Eden Satan was bound from offering his words of 'spiritual enlightenment' to created human beings in opposition to the Word of God (Truth) until the day God permitted him to do so. God withdrawing permission from the father of lies to offer words of 'spiritual enlightenment' to created human beings is what binds him - but he still receives no power to deceive the nations UNTIL his lying words of 'spiritual enlightenment' are believed by created human beings.

You know - we who believe in Jesus all know - that the day those created human beings believed his words of 'spiritual enlightenment' - which are always offered in opposition to the Word of God (Truth), those created human beings died - death came into their created bodies.

Created human beings who believe in (place their faith in) the Word of God who has become a human being (who is begotten, not created), who died for the sins of created human beings, and is risen from the dead, have passed from death to life.

But those created human beings who continue to give Satan power to deceive the nations through believing (placing their faith in) the words of 'spiritual enlightenment' which oppose the Word of God and which ALL originate in the father of lies, are condemned - because the reason they do so is because they LOVE DARKNESS rather than THE LIGHT, and this is BECAUSE THEIR deeds are evil.

So God has told us by what criteria created human beings will be judged either unto eternal life, or unto condemnation, and this status quo will continue for as long as God permits the words of 'spiritual enlightenment' originating in the father of ALL lies to be offered to created human beings.

For the first thousand years of the ages of the ages after our Savior has returned there will be no words of 'spiritual enlightenment' to oppose the Word of God, because God will not permit it to be so, and all those who are alive will have been resurrected from the dead bodily, each living in his own immortal body - just like Adam and and Eve were, before they sinned.

At the close of the thousand years God will permit the father of lies one last time to offer created human beings words of 'spiritual enlightnement' which oppose the Word of God (Truth) and imply that God is a liar

- so that each and every individual created human being which God created in His own image can be finally tested in order to ascertain how deep in himself the root of faith in the Word of God has been allowed by the individual to sink into his soul.

God has promised only those who overcome that Christ will not blot their names out of the book of life and that the second death will have no authority over them - and the God who created us is able to destroy both soul and body in the lake of fire. Jesus told us to fear Him. [/JUSTIFY]

AN ADVERSARY EXISTING IN A KING'S KINGDOM​

It's logical that if a king has an adversary in his kingdom who is causing disruption, killing or harming the king's subjects, deceiving as many as he can, continuously encouraging dissent against the king and continuously calling the king's authority and integrity into question,

then if the king wants to put a stop to it, he would need to either bind the adversary and lock him in a dungeon, rendering the adversary completely unable to cause more harm, or simply destroy the adversary,

but if the king in his wisdom and sovereign will continues to permit the adversary for a season and a time to continue, whether it be in order to separate the king's loyal and faithful subjects from his adversaries or for any other reason, then this choice and decision is within the king's sovereign right.​

This is all religious noise. You have zero corroboration to cover every single main tenet of Premil.

• Where else in Scripture is a thousand years mentioned after the second coming?
• Where in Scripture (including Rev 20) is Jesus shown to be on a millennial earth?
• Where else in Scripture is the binding of Satan?
• Where else in Scripture are the 2 future resurrections?
• Where else in Scripture are the 2 future judgments?
• Where else in Scripture is the release of Satan and an unparalleled global uprising 1,000 years after the second coming?

 

[WPM]

Wud have been easier just to name what NHNE was instead of others having to look it up. Jesus spoke to his 7 Churches about OVERCOMING. Then we see the Pre Trib. Rapture in Rev. 4:1 and in Rev. 4:4 (go look) we see the Church a God's THRONE, with WHITE RAIMENT on and who have Crowns on their heads. Just just described the Church Age in Rev. 2 & 3 and told us what we would have on in heaven, after we OVERCOME then God shows us a group of people in heaven with all those things, on their head were crowns ad they were wearing white robes, and sitting at God's THRONE. And the 24 Elders is a coded way to beckon us to look at 1 Chronicles 24, the 24 Orders of the Priesthood, in Rev. 1:6 and in Rev. 5:9-10 God calls us a Kings and Priests. You miss the Church being at the throne of Gid before Jesus ever opens the Seals, I wonder why you miss this. seems odd? You talk about those who OVERCOME then miss its first appearance, and the first appearance of men sitting at God's Throne.


I just showed you the Church in heaven with Jesus in Rev. 4:4.

The whole "Thief in the Night" can only be a Pre Trib. Rapture, any other notion fails the test of time. At the 2nd coming ay person who knows when the Anti-Christ conquered Israel could count 1260 days and now exactly when the 2nd coming of Jesus was. God loves his mixed up riddles, thus is why He jumbled up the book of Revelation out of order to start with.

In Zech. 13, we get the first 5 verses about Jesus blood i the END TIME Cleansing Israel a Fountain has been opened to cleanse them and they repent. In verses 8-9 we are told 1/3 (5 million by todays numbers) will repent whilst 2/3 refuses to do so and will die. All this is end time prophesy, in Zech. 14:1 we see the DOTL arrives and in vs. 2 Israel is sacked, so it is end times, but in Zech. 13:6-7 and odd thing happens, we see Jesus was betrayed by friends of his own house and his flock was scattered. This is how Prophesy sometimes works, God intermingles TWO PROPHESIES in one place who time is 2000 years apart, one 500 years after the prophesy and the other 2500 years after the prophesy, it makes the prophesy that much more dynamic and powerful.

Likewise, Jesus at the 6th Vial, will not show up like a thief at the 7th Vial, this is God mocking them, saying did I not tell you this would all happen like a thief in the night. The Pre Trib. Rapture sealed their fates, they WERE GOING THROUGH THE 70th Week Troubles/Tribulations, just like once the rain started there was no flood until a few days later but not getting on the Ark sealed their fate also. So, when Vial #6 happens, just before Jesus' 2nd coming, God through John reminded them, I TOLD YOU SO, you refused to heed my warnings, with talking points like, "Where is the Promise of his coming?" etc. etc.


We see this same group in Rev. 4:4, in Rev. 7 we see the 144,000 a CODE for ALL Israel who repents, so the 144,000 is the Jews Fleeing Judea at the AoD which happens JUST BEFORE God Wrath fall on mankind, because the Seals DO NOTHING except open the Scrolls with God's Wrath in them, the 7 Trumps = ALL of God's Wrath, the 7 Vials are the 3rd Woe, which comes forth from the 7th Trump. So, in Rev. 7 that is why God says HURT NOT the Earth, Tree nor Seas until the 144,000 (all Israel who repent, not every Jew) have been SEALED (by the holy spirit like us) and protected (in the Petra/Bozrah area). This is also why the 7th Seal is over in Rev. 8, it CAN NOT BE OPENED until Israel repents and Flees Judea to safety.

Those seen in Rev. 7:9-16 are the Pre Trib. Raptured Church which came out of MUCH TRIBULATION. In John 16:33 we are told by Jesus that in him we will have peace but in this [evil] world we will have continual tribulation. How many pf our brothers were murdered by the Romans? By the Muslims and Moore's by Jungle tries we tried to bring the Gospel unto? Millions and millions, we have troubles every day because the god of this world hates us, he never stops trying to harm us, but mostly if we live in the holy spirit and in the Western Cultures, we are pretty much, at least now, safe.

So, those were the Pre Trib. Raptured Church who came out of much TRIBULATION in this EVIL WORLD. The 5th Seal and Rev. 20:4 proves this is one stops and thinks it through logically. Jesus told those under the 5th Seal (who had not yet died by the way....it was a Prophetic Utterance, he FOREKNEW their hearts desires after they would soon die as Martyrs, but only after the Rev. 8 Asteroid hits earth. But the point is, Jesus SPECIFICALLY TOLD THEM..........they MUST WAIT for a Season before they could get vengeance, meaning for the Beasts 42 moth rule. Also, in Rev. 20:4 we see those Martyrs are RAISED & JUDGED only after the 2nd coming, so how could it be them in heaven? I am a realist and a dream dasher. It CAN NOT be them in Rev. 7 thus it can ONLY BE the Pre Trb. Raptured Church.

People instead of goin the extra mile, just seemingly accept way to much from other men, I used to do the same, but God wants to reveal these things unto us Himself.

3.) The THIRD POINT you make about the NHNE is not really a point tbh. Reread Rev. 20:4, ONLY THOSE who refused to take the Mark of the Beast (thus they have to have been on earth and gotten saved AFTER the Pre Trib. Rapture) will LIVE & REIGN with Jesus for 1000 years. Gid only needs so many with Glorious bodies under him, God hates idleness, and thus I assume God sends us the Bride of Christ to finish off New Jerusalem, thus as it Descends it will be called the Bride of Christ because we descend with it. But that happens after the 1000 year reign.

It is crystal clear by your avoidance that you have no answer to simple questions that challenge your position. I will continue to present more so the reader can see how bereft your position is of sense and biblical support.

1. How many ends of the world do you want?
2. How can there be another age of time, marrying and dying after “the end”?
3. How can there be a prolonged period of time after the last or final day?
4. How can there be a prolonged period of time after time (or chronos) shall be no longer?
5. How can there be an age in-between this age and the age to come when Scripture only recognizes a 2-age framework ("this age" and "the age to come")?
6. Where do you find a future "age to come after the age to come"?

 

[Zao is life]

This is all religious noise. You have zero corroboration to cover every single main tenet of Premil.

Words which could be posted in response to every one of your posts regarding the binding of Satan because none of them corroborate with scripture.

But if I were going to respond to your long posts that do not corroborate with scripture I would need to read them first,

and then have to divide them up into sections and respond to each scripture which you add to or misinterpret, explaining why what you say does not corroborate with scripture.

But in the past I have discovered more than once that you read none of it and respond to none of anything that's pertinent to what you say when it proves that the way you are interpreting the scriptures you quote is false.

You just post another lengthy post about other things and say the same things you said before, knowing that your posts do not corroborate with scripture.

So I know that with you it's a pointless exercise. Because whether I ignore or respond you will just say that the person who disagrees with you "has no refutation of anything YOU say" and whatever they say "does not corroborate with scripture".

It's junior high school debate with you instead of a serious discussion of scripture. So I'm not keen on it.

 

[WPM]

Words which could be posted in response to every one of your posts regarding the binding of Satan because none of them corroborate with scripture.

But if I were going to respond to your long posts that do not corroborate with scripture I would need to read them first,

and then have to divide them up into sections and respond to each scripture which you add to or misinterpret, explaining why what you say does not corroborate with scripture.

But in the past I have discovered more than once that you read none of it and respond to none of anything that's pertinent to what you say when it proves that the way you are interpreting the scriptures you quote is false.

You just post another lengthy post about other things and say the same things you said before, knowing that your posts do not corroborate with scripture.

So I know that with you it's a pointless exercise. Because whether I ignore or respond you will just say that the person who disagrees with you "has no refutation of anything YOU say" and whatever they say "does not corroborate with scripture".

It's junior high school debate with you instead of a serious discussion of scripture. So I'm not keen on it.

LOL. More evasive noise. That is your MO. You like to present your long posts. But when they are challenged by detailed rebuttals you have no answers. The reader can see that in your threads. All you have is silly LOL emojis.

Firstly, repeated Scripture uses binding in a figurative sense. The wicked are depicted as being in chains and in a prison before salvation. We all know that that is not literal. No one would suggest with any justification that they are incapable of movement or harm on this earth.

Secondly, repeated Scripture shows the defeat of Satan and his minions since the earthly ministry of Christ. So, when we get into the most symbolic book in the Bible, it is not difficult to get your head around the spiritual binding of Satan in order to enlighten the Gentiles since the resurrection – the first resurrection.

The strongman was bound 2000 years ago according to Jesus. Our Lord invaded the devil’s house, chained him and took a spoil. We are part of that spoil. This is figurative language. It is the description of a conquering king.

Thirdly, Christ’s first resurrection was the start of the evangelization of the Gentiles. Most people see that in the New Testament. The Gentiles are depicted in the Old Testament as being outside of hope, blind, in gross darkness, rebellious, bound in chains and in a prison. That all changed after the resurrection of Christ. The New Testament is a picture of Gentile evangelizing. That is all Revelation 20 is saying. There is zero corroboration for Premillennialist scenario of the binding of Satan at the second coming and his release 1000 years later to deceive the millennial inhabitants as the sand of the sea. Amils have many passages that teaches the binding, curtailing, defeating and subjugation of Satan 2000 years ago. They also have many Scriptures that show Christ is the first resurrection.

Even though the Scriptures make many sweeping statements about the Gentiles been deceived in the Old Testament it did not mean that there was none that believed. Just like it makes sweeping statements about the Gentiles being enlightened in the New Testament, does not suggest that the most of them actually believed. These are just broad generalized. Scripture is full of them.

Fourthly, before the resurrection the redeemed dead were forced to stay in Hades awaiting the defeat of sin, death, Hades and Satan. The limitations that once held God’s people from the presence of God now restrain Satan so that he cannot stop the enlightenment of the nations. Jesus opened heaven up to the elect (both living and dead) When he defeated sin, death, Satan, and Hades. He consequently emptied Abraham's bosom and took the dead in Christ in heaven.

Fifthly, Satan being cast out of heaven means his seat of accusation against believers before God is gone forever. He cannot accuse you before the throne of heaven anymore because your penalty is fully paid. The only thing he can do is point the finger to you directly and hope that you are stupid enough to listen to him.

 

[WPM]

Words which could be posted in response to every one of your posts regarding the binding of Satan because none of them corroborate with scripture.

But if I were going to respond to your long posts that do not corroborate with scripture I would need to read them first,

and then have to divide them up into sections and respond to each scripture which you add to or misinterpret, explaining why what you say does not corroborate with scripture.

That is simply not true! The opposite is the reality.

Matthew 12:22-29 records, “Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw. And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David? But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Or else how can one enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind [Gr. deo] the strong man? And then he will spoil his house.”

The arrival of the kingdom of God spelt defeat for the kingdom of Satan. We cannot underestimate the impact and importance off Jesus casting out devils during his earthly ministry. It was crucial, historic and symbolic. That is because it demonstrated that the kingdom of God had arrived and was confronting, overcoming and ruling over the kingdom of darkness. It showed where ultimate spiritual power resided. It also confirmed that Christ was here to open the prison doors of the bound, strip the kingdom of darkness of its influence and exercise real power and dominion over the devil's territory.

Just like Christ used the humility of a child and brought him forward in Matthew 18 and presented him as an example of what it is to be a Christian within the kingdom of God, He used this incident with the subjugation of a demon as an opportunity to highlight the power He had over Satan and presented it as forceful evidence of the spiritual restraint Satan suffered through His life, death and resurrection.

The Lord identifies the casting out of devils, and the resulting liberating of souls, with the actual binding of the strong man. He in turn presents this as proof that Satan is curbed through the presence and victorious function of the kingdom of God. Christ was specifically referring to Satan here (the strong man) and his demonic kingdom, and expressly connects his binding with the manifestation of the kingdom of God during His earthly ministry. The subjugating of devils was proof of the spiritual restraint of the evil one. Satan could not prevent this. Satan could not overcome those who had been rescued by Christ.

He came to the strong man's house (this sinful world) and spiritually chained Satan. He is like a dog on a leash that will only harm those that foolishly get close to him. He has power and movement but it is restrained and limited since the ministry of Christ. The devil was subject to the purposes of God and hurt by the spiritual advance of the kingdom of God. This kingdom is still alive and active today. Souls are still being marvellously delivered from the power of Satan. The binding of the strong man continues today wherever the Gospel prevails.

Our Savior demonstrates that the powerful deliverances He had accomplished were done by the Spirit of God. They revealed the power and presence of the kingdom of God. Christ showed that the kingdom of darkness was subject to the kingdom of God. To enter the strong man’s house was to come to earth and invade Satan’s kingdom with salvation and deliverance. Christ’s earthly ministry commenced the invasion of Satan’s house and the cross secured the legal binding. The blind and dumb man in this story belonged to the devil’s kingdom. Christ entered Satan’s evil house and rescued the redeemed, translating them into newness of life. Christ has been doing this ever since. There can be no other interpretation to take from this.

Remember, this was just prior to Christ’s death.

Mark 3:11, 23-27 also records: “unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God ... And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils. And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan? And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end. No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind [Gr. deo] the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.”

This familiar discourse by our Lord came as a response to the crude scoffs of the religious Scribes dismissing Christ’s deliverance ministry as a work of Satan. Christ’s reply confirmed that the binding of Satan commenced 2,000 yrs ago and is not simply a future hope that will occur after the Lord’s return. Christ was firstly referring to the false charge that was laid at his door in relation to his assault on the demonic realm. Secondly, He was demonstrating the subjugation of the “unclean spirits” as “when they saw him” they “fell down before him” in surrender.

Jesus said in the corresponding passage in Luke 11:20-22, “if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you. When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace: But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.”

Our Lord is telling us here that the casting out devils is proof that His kingdom has come. He highlights the sovereign power of the kingdom of God and reveals how the “strong man” – Satan – and his kingdom of devils can only be defeated by One that is stronger than them, namely Himself – the Son of God. This was proof that He was indeed the true Messiah and that He carried all power over Satan.

As we examine the gospels we discover, Satan was stripped everywhere that Christ confronted him. The Lord entered the devil’s house and took authority over him and spoilt His goods. Previously, Satan's grip on the nations was so strong and so embedded that the truth of God's Word could not penetrate through. The devil overwhelmingly controlled the Gentile nations.

Christ said: “When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace.” This was a direct reference to the unchallenged power of Satan over the nations in the Old Testament. The vast territory of the Gentile nations was under his evil control. He governed the nations at will and operated in an unmolested environment – thus “his goods” were said to be “in peace.”

Satan’s wicked grip over the nations was loosened by the life, death and resurrection of Christ. Many millions were liberated by His message of hope and liberation. In fact, if anything was representative of Christ’s ministry it was the binding of the works of darkness and the deliverance of the afflicted. Christ defeated the power of Satan and all his minions with His sinless life, His vicarious death and His victorious resurrection and therefore wholly fulfilled His earthly assignment. The advance of the kingdom of God therefore has seen the pushing back of the devil’s frontline throughout the nations. It is not that he can’t still create havoc and deceive people; it is that he can’t hinder the triumphant advance of the Gospel throughout the world.

Significantly, the Greek word deo (Strong’s 1210) employed here is the exact same word used in Revelation 20 which means to bind in either a literal or a spiritual sense. This is what happened everywhere the kingdom of God was seen, the kingdom of darkness was suppressed. Moreover, at Calvary, Satan’s power to deceive the nations was spiritual bound or curtailed by the finished and victorious work of Christ. Revelation 20:2-3 states, “And he (Christ) laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and deo (or) bound him a thousand years (or a long time), And cast him into the abyss, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more.”

 

[Davidpt]

This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. How is any individual's faith in Christ tested if it has never been put to the test - REALLY been put to the test?

You're bordering on claiming OSAS now.

That is exactly what I was thinking as well when I read that post of his you are addressing here. He insists NOSAS is his position but then contradicts NOSAS by using 1 John 5:3 to apparently prove OSAS. I'm not convinced he even fully understands the NOSAS position to begin with, the fact he contradicts it at times. For example, Revelation 20:6. As if, once someone has part in the first resurrection, they can somehow lose part in it. But that is what Amil and NOSAS teaches. Granted, Amil and OSAS does not teach that. But even so, it doesn't matter since, only OSAS is Biblical, NOSAS isn't, is not a valid argument.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


This verse does not say nor mean the following.

Blessed and holy are some, thus not all, that have part in the first resurrection, on some that have part in the first resurrection the second death hath no power, while on others that also have part in the first resurrection the second death hath power. As if Revelation 20:6 is conditional. As if, once someone has part in the first resurrection, they can somehow lose part in it. Except there is not an 'if' anywhere in verse 6, nor implied, period.

True, my position is also NOSAS, yet my position does not contradict Revelation 20:6, though. And the reason it doesn't is simple. NOSAS, assuming one ends up falling away eventually, is something that occurs in this age in this life before the first resurrection occurs at the 2nd coming. In my view the first resurrection is bodily, and once one has put on bodily immortality at the 2nd coming, they can't then lose that somehow since that would contradict Revelation 20:6, for one.

The question is, since NOSAS obviously means one has to be initially saved first before NOSAS can be applied to them, are the ones that end up falling away ever born of God at anytime? Especially initially? If they never were born of God at any time, not even initially, how did they initially become saved then?

Plus, is anyone in the NOSAS camp going to argue that anyone that falls away, this equals that they do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God? After all, that verse says overcomers believe that Jesus is the Son of God. And clearly, anyone that falls away, thus fails to overcome, does not logically equal they no longer still believe Jesus is the Son of God. How can they not still believe that, regardless that they fall away eventually?

 

[WPM]

That is exactly what I was thinking as well when I read that post of his you are addressing here. He insists NOSAS is his position but then contradicts NOSAS by using 1 John 5:3 to apparently prove OSAS. I'm not convinced he even fully understands the NOSAS position to begin with, the fact he contradicts it at times. For example, Revelation 20:6. As if, once someone has part in the first resurrection, they can somehow lose part in it. But that is what Amil and NOSAS teaches. Granted, Amil and OSAS does not teach that. But even so, it doesn't matter since, only OSAS is Biblical, NOSAS isn't, is not a valid argument.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


This verse does not say nor mean the following.

Blessed and holy are some, thus not all, that have part in the first resurrection, on some that have part in the first resurrection the second death hath no power, while on others that also have part in the first resurrection the second death hath power. As if Revelation 20:6 is conditional. As if, once someone has part in the first resurrection, they can somehow lose part in it. Except there is not an 'if' anywhere in verse 6, nor implied, period.

True, my position is also NOSAS, yet my position does not contradict Revelation 20:6, though. And the reason it doesn't is simple. NOSAS, assuming one ends up falling away eventually, is something that occurs in this age in this life before the first resurrection occurs at the 2nd coming. In my view the first resurrection is bodily, and once one has put on bodily immortality at the 2nd coming, they can't then lose that somehow since that would contradict Revelation 20:6, for one.

The question is, since NOSAS obviously means one has to be initially saved first before NOSAS can be applied to them, are the ones that end up falling away ever born of God at anytime? Especially initially? If they never were born of God at any time, not even initially, how did they initially become saved then?

Plus, is anyone in the NOSAS camp going to argue that anyone that falls away, this equals that they do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God? After all, that verse says overcomers believe that Jesus is the Son of God. And clearly, anyone that falls away, thus fails to overcome, does not logically equal they no longer still believe Jesus is the Son of God. How can they not still believe that, regardless that they fall away eventually?

I think you think that if you state an opinion enough times that makes it a fact. Well, that is not the way it works. Scripture refutes your error. It forbids your doctrine.

Salvation is a gift from God emanating out of His heart of grace.

The Oxford Dictionary defines a gift as: "a thing given or received without payment."

We can't purchase it, we can't earn it, we don't deserve it, we cannot work for it. We just receive it.

So, what it that gift?

Romans 6:23 says: "the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

There you have it! It is a gift, and that gift is eternal life.

Eternal life is a gift we receive in this life.

How long is "eternal"?

How long is "everlasting"?

There is the end of the debate!

Ephesians 2:8-9 affirms: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”

God gives us the gift of faith to respond. It is not a quality or ability we possess. Salvation involves us responding to the effectual call of God. That voice is a quickening voice – it brings life to the dead. It is a free gift that is received when you first acknowledge your guilt and second acknowledge your need of Christ as Savior and Lord.

Many people in our day put their trust in themselves instead of Jesus Christ – and then they think they are going to waltz into heaven and high-five Jesus and live with Him forever. What foolishness.

 

[Davidpt]

Nice slur introduced at this point by you. It's what you typically do when you post - introducing a slur.

I'm not a JW and I do not need to be a JW in order to compare scripture with scripture.

Comparing scripture with scripture I see scripture that implies that the NHNE follows immediately after the return of Christ.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see what you deny - scripture teaching us that the first thousand years of the ages of the ages follows the return of Christ.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see what you deny - Satan being bound after the return of Christ - for a thousand years - in terms of his ability to deceive the nations.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see Satan NOT currently bound in terms of his ability to deceive the nations - something you deny.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see the conclusion of the events of the third chapter of the Bible (and the first three chapters of the Bible) in the third-last chapter of the Bible (and in the last three chapters of the Bible).
Comparing scripture with scripture I cannot see how non-regenerated creation (mortals) will co-exist with regenerated creation and immortals.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see Satan being loosed after a thousand years and permitted one last time to deceive mankind - not Adam and Eve this time - but the nations descended from them.
Comparing scripture with scripture I know that only God has life in Himself and the life of created human beings is in Christ, and the immortality of created human beings depends on this God-given life, and I see this immortality itself being God-given.
Comparing scripture with scripture I know that God our Creator is able to destroy both soul and body in the lake of fire.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see scripture implying that the nations deceived by Satan will believe - like Adam and Eve did - the lie of Satan "You will NOT surely die".
Comparing scripture with scripture I see this as implying that those nations who are deceived by Satan are immortals who died in Christ and were resurrected from the dead but have no root in themselves - their faith was shallow and is still shallow. They were not promised like those who overcome that the second death will have no authority over them.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see the second death as the destruction of death.
Comparing scripture with scripture I see the GWT coming at the close of the first thousand years of the ages of the ages.

Comparing scripture with scripture and having the Holy Spirit of Christ as my helper I recognized the motive behind your above slur, though that does not mean I do not regard you as someone who belongs to Christ. It means that though you belong to Christ, you are capable of sinning against a brother in Christ by slurring him with a FALSE implication that he shares JW doctrine with JW's and "therefore at the very least believes in false doctrine".

What you need to be asking yourself, does your position agree or disagree with Revelation 20:6? That verse says every single person that has part in the first resurrection, they are blessed and holy. That verse equally says every single person that has part in the first resurrection, the 2nd death has no power4 over them. Meaning none of them, as in zero, that have part in the first resurrection, can somehow wind up in the LOF, meaning the 2nd death has power over them after all. Thus contradicting what John plainly and clearly said, that the 2nd death has no power over anyone that has part in the first resurrection.

 

[WPM]

What you need to be asking yourself, does your position agree or disagree with Revelation 20:6? That verse says every single person that has part in the first resurrection, they are blessed and holy. That verse equally says every single person that has part in the first resurrection, the 2nd death has no power4 over them. Meaning none of them, as in zero, that have part in the first resurrection, can somehow wind up in the LOF, meaning the 2nd death has power over them after all. Thus contradicting what John plainly and clearly said, that the 2nd death has no power over anyone that has part in the first resurrection.

What is the first resurrection?