Robbie
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Remember this homey, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
"He is"
"He is"
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Nope... I confess my sin... I say, "God be merciful to me a sinner" unlike the pharisee who trusted in himself that he was righteous.... I would say someone is more defending their sinful lifestyle when they aren't even willing to acknowledge their sin... actually believing they're living a sin free life... so what I'm doing is acknowledging the sinful state of humanity and recognizing that apart from Christ becoming our righteousness by covering our sins with His blood there is no hope of reconciliation.
Because of this I give Him all the GLORY because I recognize my salvation is only because of Him... this is not defending sin... this is recognizing sin... and seeing the need for salvation... and recognizing that is only possible by Christ becoming my righteousness.
If anyone wants to think they can enter the Kingdom based on their own righteousness I'd recommend they rethink that one... chances are someone who's a worst sinner than them will be justified before them if they simply are more willing to recognize their need.
Remember this homey, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
"He is"
I have a lot to say about this subject, but for the sake of time, or lack thereof, I have to condense my ideas in order to make this as short as possible. I'm working on a sort of expose' of this subject, but I probably won't be able to get a lot of material in one post or even this thread alone...I may be able to express more at a later date. But for now, I just want to present my feelings and get some diverse feedback. Whether you agree with me or not, all feedback is welcomed here.
It's talking about those who "sin willfully". It's quite simple actually.
He's not talking about struggling with sins... He's talking about someone who has received Christ and afterwords willfully rejected Him... and I'm not even talking about momentarily rejecting Him... if that was so Peter would have no hope... after all He denied the Lord even after Jesus had said that if anyone denied Him before men He'd deny them before the Father... Peter willfully rejected Christ after receiving the truth... but He said to Peter, "After you've returned to me" which Peter did... So this scripture is talking about those that never return to Him... He's talking about those that have made the decision to trample the Son of God underfoot, count the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insult the Spirit of grace... after they have already received the truth.
That isn't done through confession of sin with the expectation that if we do so He is faithful and just to forgive us and cleans us of all unrighteousness...
That's done through willfully rejecting the reality of what Christ did which can also happen when after we've understood that we were justified by His blood... that we're saved by the Spirit of grace.... then turning back to trusting in our own righteousness for salvation... it's insulting to the Spirit of Grace to think such things... it's considering the blood of the covenant a common thing to start to believe you can be made righteous apart from it... and it's trampling the Son of God underfoot to boast in your own righteousness when the truth is apart from Him we're hopeless.
So like everyone else I've encountered since I've been a Christian who's taken that scripture and twisted it into making those who have failed feel like they should quit... all while deceiving others into trusting in their own righteousness that they're good enough apart from the blood.... you need to grasp the whole message of Christ... and not take one scripture that's kind of hard to understand and based on your misunderstanding of it reject everything else that's said...
Jesus said that the one who confessed their sin and saw their need for mercy went away justified... and not the one who trusted in themselves that they were righteous... to see the truth of that is to give glory to the Spirit of Grace, honor to the blood of the covenant... and the worship the Son of God deserves for being our salvation... He's our righteousness... all glory to Him... PERIOD...
The point I was making with this thread was that Christians can be very insensitive, and even cruel to the bone, not only on ths issue, but especially when it comes to this issue. And as predicted, everyone has rabbit trailed all around the issue at hand, which is bashing=insensitivity. But judging by the responses, many of you see no problem with it. Because to you, the mark of a true prophet is one who goes around being rude; insulting people and verbaly abusing them into submission...when the bible--the same one you're preaching to me out of--says that love is not "rude", among several other things that you all do.
Never saw any of this rudeness as you claim. You asked we answered.
Frankly, I'm getting a little tired of your game. However, in the good faith that you may actually be curious and have no ill intentions, I'll continue with your conversations.
The point I was making with this thread was that Christians can be very insensitive, and even cruel to the bone, not only on ths issue, but especially when it comes to this issue. And as predicted, everyone has rabbit trailed all around the issue at hand, which is bashing=insensitivity. But judging by the responses, many of you see no problem with it. Because to you, the mark of a true prophet is one who goes around being rude; insulting people and verbaly abusing them into submission...when the bible--the same one you're preaching to me out of--says that love is not "rude", among several other things that you all do.
The point I was making with this thread was that Christians can be very insensitive, and even cruel to the bone, not only on ths issue, but especially when it comes to this issue. And as predicted, everyone has rabbit trailed all around the issue at hand, which is bashing=insensitivity. But judging by the responses, many of you see no problem with it. Because to you, the mark of a true prophet is one who goes around being rude; insulting people and verbaly abusing them into submission...when the bible--the same one you're preaching to me out of--says that love is not "rude", among several other things that you all do.
-- I think your point would be better taken if you were to say SOME Christians can be very insensitive.
I have never seen an individual Christian or members of a Christian organization ever address homosexuals this way.
You have boneheads like the Westboro Baptist people who claim to be "Christian" but I have also yet to meet any Christian anywhere who agrees with them.
As I have mentioned, I am normally approached by gay rights supporters and they demand I support my position.
I do it calmly and scripturally, emphasizing that I too was a great sinner who had to turn away from my sin to follow Christ.
I let them know that God loves them as much as He loves me, died for them just as He died for me...
Again, I have yet to witness a time when Christians have acted the way you state. I am sure it does happen, but I doubt often enough to paint all others with the same brush.
For the people who say that no one can be born gay, what do you say about animals that are homosexual??? And before you try to dispute this FACT, feel free to look it up. Don't take my word for it, but several studies have shown that many species in the animal kingdom are genetically homosexual--from lions to birds. Some penguins even have homosexual families--where two male birds will raise a chick.
So what ydo you say about these gay animals? Do they have a homosexual spirit in them? Are they going to hell?
And what also do you say about human beings who were born as hermaphrodites, with both sexes, having to choose which one they feel most comfortable with?
What also happens to the soul of a person who gets a sex change procedure done on them? What if they accept Jesus AFTER they got the sex change? Are they damned to hell because they are living as the opposite sex? And what if a christian gets a sex change and changes his or her mind later on?
There has never been any proof anyone has ever been born gay. They are all simply theories and possibilities. You can do all the research you want. I know I certainly have on this issue which I have debated many times. I don't see why we should be compared to animals considering they live lives that are not even remotely close to ours. Animals also do not have morals or know the difference between right or wrong. Animal homosexuality is far more rare than human homosexuality and animal homosexuality is normally the result of two animals caged up for long periods of time with nothing to do. Animal homosexuality also ends when a female is brought into the same cage. At that point the two males will be fighting over her day and night.
If someone claims they are born gay then how do you explain all these former homosexuals that are now straight and have married the opposite sex and leading normal lives? Even Ellen degeneres former girlfriend is now happily married to a man. Are you seriously going to tell me if they are born that way then we should put former homosexuals into counseling and give them medication so they turn back into a gay person because they were born that way? People who are born a certain race are born that way and can not change it. People who are born a certain color are born that way and can not change that. Homosexuality is a choice because you can say you are gay one day and the next day you can choose not to be. Nothing is stopping you from dating a gay person or a straight person. It is all done on your own free will.
A person born a hermaphrodite is extremely rare and has probably only happened a few times in the last hundred years. A hermaphrodite may have the external looks of both a male and female but the human body internally is either a male or female. In other worlds this person can not get pregnant and also get a woman pregnant.
A person getting a sex change is obviously extremely crazy to do such a thing. I think getting a sex change is the ultimate insult to God and leads to a life of homosexuality and sin. I think getting a sex change is comparable to suicide since you are basically killing yourself and turning into something different. I could also think of nothing more selfish.
I find it hard to believe any real Christian would want a sex change. If they do then they are not Christians because there is nothing Christian about destroying your temple to rebuild it to live a life of homosexuality. As far as going to Hell...That is what judgment day is for. If a person does have a sex change and converts to Christianity he/she better make up for his or her past sins and evils with a lot of following God's laws and living a totally Christian lifestyle.
The fact that these following verses were written after Jesus died should give Christians a wake up call...
22“Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’ Matthew 7:22
So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth. Revelation 3:16
But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. Romans 2:5
9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10