The resolution is very simple. Honor your father and mother at all times. However, when it comes to deciding between your loyalty to Christ and your loyalty to your family, it is a no-brainer.I know they GO together but I can’t PUT them together.
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The resolution is very simple. Honor your father and mother at all times. However, when it comes to deciding between your loyalty to Christ and your loyalty to your family, it is a no-brainer.I know they GO together but I can’t PUT them together.
The resolution is very simple. Honor your father and mother at all times. However, when it comes to deciding between your loyalty to Christ and your loyalty to your family, it is a no-brainer.
What is the correct way to honor your father and mother when they want to see you destroyed? What if your abuse by their hands stretches into your adulthood and then they try to also destroy their grandchildren? I understand forgiveness and wishing them no ill, despite what they did or do. I don’t understand a definition of how to go about honoring them though.
This is definitely not within the norm of parental behavior. Even evil parents desire what is good for their children, and Christ already taught this. So how would you honor destructive parents?What is the correct way to honor your father and mother when they want to see you destroyed? What if your abuse by their hands stretches into your adulthood and then they try to also destroy their grandchildren? I understand forgiveness and wishing them no ill, despite what they did or do. I don’t understand a definition of how to go about honoring them though.
These texts sbg are about prioritising relationship....and each text a context.I know these verses go together.
Honor your mother.
Hate your mother. (And even your own life).
Who is my mother and brother?
Let the dead bury their own dead.
I know they GO together but I can’t PUT them together. They aren’t IN me in an integrated understanding. As my friend would say, I’m a half baked cake in this matter, a cake not turned yet. I don’t have the balance.
Any help?
This is definitely not within the norm of parental behavior.
Those are difficult times but it's the reason of you being in this time.What is the correct way to honor your father and mother when they want to see you destroyed? What if your abuse by their hands stretches into your adulthood and then they try to also destroy their grandchildren? I understand forgiveness and wishing them no ill, despite what they did or do. I don’t understand a definition of how to go about honoring them though.
These texts sbg are about prioritising relationship....and each text a context.
Taking Jewish idiom and translation into account will also shed light on the word translated as 'hate'
It is as you say 'more than my explanation covers'I don’t know…I don’t think that’s all it is. A man wanted to follow Jesus but wanted to go bury his own father first. Jesus told him to let others bury him. This is more than your explanation covers.
It is as you say 'more than my explanation covers'
I might add, due to the knowledge that a persons attention span is relatively short, my explanations imply more than is stated by the actual words posted. Subsequently my usually short offerings which some consider cryptic. I do it in the hope that the batten is grabbed and run with, so to speak.
This is my understanding of 'let the dead bury the dead'
Jesus wanted this man to prioritise his call. Luke 9:57-62 There were no doubt sufficient relatives or others to look after putting a deceased body into the ground, to put it bluntly.
The man made the offer to follow Jesus. Jesus checks his priority while using it as a spiritual lesson. 'Dead' in the sense Jesus is using it could mean....and I think it does, those who have not had their heart's touched to want to make a commitment.
yeahhhh, I can run with that.Which ties into, who are my mother and my brother?
But anyone who doesn’t attend a parents funeral will be thought badly of by men and will be said not to have shown any respect or honor to their parent.
Your moral obligations towards them regardless, because you know better even if they don't ?What is the correct way to honor your father and mother when they want to see you destroyed? What if your abuse by their hands stretches into your adulthood and then they try to also destroy their grandchildren? I understand forgiveness and wishing them no ill, despite what they did or do. I don’t understand a definition of how to go about honoring them though.
Okay. I think it means, "Know when to answer a fool - and when it's best to remain silent." That takes discernment. (How you answer him when you do is an implementation detail.) Me, I usually remain silent when I should speak up, and speak up when I should hold my peace. So who's the greater fool?I never did feel inclined to tell you what I thought it meant since you never asked but I do feel inclined suddenly.
Here’s what I think it means:
Never answer a fool using the foolish way he chooses to converse. Don’t enter into his useless tactics and foolish or arrogant manner or you will be as foolish as he is. Always answer him though, to try to help him to see how foolish he is being because if you were to fail to answer his foolish manner, he would think himself so wise and his foolish tactics so good that no one one could answer with true wisdom.
In other words, always answer a man being foolish but don’t do so in the same foolish way as he chooses to act.
Just want to wrap this up, because it looks like you've figured it out by now, but the context of Jesus's reply (a man who asks to defer the call to follow Jesus in order to fulfill his God-ordained obligations to his parents) tells me that "hate" is a rhetorical exaggeration used to make a point. (Would the master of parables use hyperbole? Nah!) That point being that anything that comes before following Christ including God-ordained commandments (a point that would later affect Paul's ministry to the Gentiles) has to be set aside. And it's not always easy or obvious.Is flesh and blood my enemy that I should hate a flesh and blood person? I can hate what they do but I no longer have hate for them. I just don’t. Maybe you don’t either, since you put quote marks around the word “hate.” I have to guess because you made statements but didn’t explain them.
What is the correct way to honor your father and mother when they want to see you destroyed? What if your abuse by their hands stretches into your adulthood and then they try to also destroy their grandchildren? I understand forgiveness and wishing them no ill, despite what they did or do. I don’t understand a definition of how to go about honoring them though.
Object lesson. Jesus' response was, those who do what God wants are His mothers and brothers and sisters, which is why we refer to each other as brothers and sisters "in Christ".It’s rattling around and almost coming into focus.
If someone were to say, your mother is outside asking for you and I said, who is my mother? Would others not see that as not honoring her?
I can relate to one of your post later about parents. My mother lied to me about who my father was until I found out in my forties that the father I was told was my father, was not my father. she had an affair and I was the child of that affair. My sister is the one who told me finally when I was in my fourties because the doctors were searching family members to see if what I had was hereditary. My mother didn’t want me to know who my father was nor that I had a younger sister, three brothers: two twins. My mother still growls that my oldest sister had no right telling me and it was a secret she meant to take to the grave. Her reasoning is that she was trying to spare me the embarrassment; I get it was her she wanted to spare. But my mom is 91 now and unable to bear our trying to fix it through talking to her. I get my mother carried this secret for decades, telling her I'm ok and I’m glad I was told. I ask her is it not better that she doesn’t have to bury it any longer? How she is free from a lie. That same sister who told me the truth, she is 68 years old…she called the other day crying. We all take turns tending to mom everyday because she forgets her medicine and even to eat. My sister called sobbing saying “she is so hateful”. My mother had said something so cruel, so cutting deep old wounds of rejection. But at the same time my mothers only focus when I go sit with her is something her father said to her as a young child that was so cruel, so cutting deep old wounds of rejection. Which even though at 91 and most memories are hard to find, my mom still voices how hateful her father was. Then she does the same (unknowingly) to my sister.I know these verses go together.
Honor your mother.
Hate your mother. (And even your own life).
Who is my mother and brother?
Let the dead bury their own dead.
I know they GO together but I can’t PUT them together. They aren’t IN me in an integrated understanding. As my friend would say, I’m a half baked cake in this matter, a cake not turned yet. I don’t have the balance.
Any help?
I can relate to one of your post later about parents. My mother lied to me about who my father was until I found out in my forties that the father I was told was my father, was not my father. she had an affair and I was the child of that affair. My sister is the one who told me finally when I was in my fourties because the doctors were searching family members to see if what I had was hereditary. My mother didn’t want me to know who my father was nor that I had a younger sister, three brothers: two twins. My mother still growls that my oldest sister had no right telling me and it was a secret she meant to take to the grave. Her reasoning is that she was trying to spare me the embarrassment; I get it was her she wanted to spare. But my mom is 91 now and unable to bear our trying to fix it through talking to her. I get my mother carried this secret for decades, telling her I'm ok and I’m glad I was told. I ask her is it not better that she doesn’t have to bury it any longer? How she is free from a lie. That same sister who told me the truth, she is 68 years old…she called the other day crying. We all take turns tending to mom everyday because she forgets her medicine and even to eat. My sister called sobbing saying “she is so hateful”. My mother had said something so cruel, so cutting deep old wounds of rejection. But at the same time my mothers only focus when I go sit with her is something her father said to her as a young child that was so cruel, so cutting deep old wounds of rejection. Which even though at 91 and most memories are hard to find, my mom still voices how hateful her father was. Then she does the same (unknowingly) to my sister.
I’m not really sure the answer to your question. For me it has something to do with the fear of God is the beginning of departing from evil.
John 12:25-27 He that loves his life shall lose it; and he that hates his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
^consider the above with Paul who said he lost all things, what all he counted as dung…the titles, the prestigious…that he might win Christ. Consider if any man build flesh upon that foundation which is Christ; what is burned.
From my study, I think this is correct. Don't leave them unanswered, but don't do what they do.Gotta say that is the best answer to those verses I have ever heard. Never could grasp it so I've left it alone all these years, not sure your view is correct or not, but it explains it better than any I've heard to date.