How can you find the truth when biblically supported views contradict?

[soberxp]

wrong , wrong. you just twisted the heck out of a true concept to fit a lie . WOMEN cannot lead the church my friend .
PAUL tells us why as does peter as to why women were not allowed to teach and usurp authority over the man .
AND THEY BOTH GIVE BIBLICAL examples . PAUL wasnt worried about offending male chauvinists .
HE tells US WHY . AND its a BIBLICAL EXAMPLE too .
Now as far as the part where you said all churches are the bride of christ .
THIS WOULD BE TRUE , IF THAT CHURCH actually FOLLOWS HIM and the doctrine left to us .
But we got wolves in wool all over most every church known to man now .
DO notice i did not say EVERY Church , but Rather MOST every church

It is also possible that my interpretation is completely wrong. Here is another more plausible explanation: as a teacher (in the context of the faith), one will face stricter judgment from God, and Paul believed that women could not bear the consequence of this.


《The Book of James》3:1
- NIV（New International Version）："Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly."
- KJV（King James Version）："My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation."

 

[amigo de christo]

It is also possible that my interpretation is completely wrong. Here is another more plausible explanation: as a teacher (in the context of the faith), one will face stricter judgment from God, and Paul believed that women could not bear the consequence of this.


《The Book of James》3:1
- NIV（New International Version）："Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly."
- KJV（King James Version）："My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation."

Have you ever noticed that many often look to plausible reasons as to WHY
rather than simply Keeping what was written .
The reason men do this is to make excuse for going around what was written
rather than to simply obey what is written .
People have always adapted to the changing times . That is a serious mistake .
Its why we have so many things that have been twisted over the years and down through the ages .
But truly its very simple my friend .

 

[ScottA]

We see it all the time on the forum.

Believers with conflicting views present their biblical evidence.
Then an argument ensues about which view is biblical. (they both are)

How can you find the truth when biblically supported views contradict?

Perhaps the problem lies in our insistence that there is only one right answer.

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"You search the scriptures"--but many do not reconcile all.

It is not enough to quote scripture, if another scripture can or is presented that would appear to say otherwise. Those who do are a witness to their own limited knowledge and understanding.

It is not simply the scriptures in their literary form that settles every dispute--heaven forbit! For "the words are spirit", and must be "spiritually discerned." But even those who have the Holy Spirit will often not agree, showing their faith to be only partial--and by that "same measure" it is "measured back to" them. Leaving many in their half-baked theologies, effectively working against the Spirit--against God.

 

[ScottA]

I do not think we need to solve all the biblical contradictions. We can just accept some. For example, Paul and James simply did not agree with each other about everything, they were not robots and they had their own opinions.

There are also textual contradictions between synoptic gospels etc.

There are no " biblical contradictions", only a lack of understanding.

 

[HealthyShape]

There are no " biblical contradictions", only a lack of understanding.

There are plenty, many Christians just do not know about them, because they do not read the Bible carefully enough.

 

[ScottA]

There are plenty, many Christians just do not know about them, because they do not read the Bible carefully enough.

If you think you know of any, you show a lack of understanding. Nothing personal, but to confirm my comment--and for those who believe there are contradictions in the Bible, I am willing to show you by example...if you would like to name one. And when you are done with one, another, and another.

But if the author of this thread thinks it off-topic--which I do not consider it to be--perhaps another thread should be started.

 

[rwb]

I do not think we need to solve all the biblical contradictions. We can just accept some. For example, Paul and James simply did not agree with each other about everything, they were not robots and they had their own opinions.

There are also textual contradictions between synoptic gospels etc.

Why bother reading and studying the Word that supposedly comes from God Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth if God has given men contradictory messages? Contradictions and confusion do NOT come from the Word of God, they come from our lack of understanding, and those who read the Bible with a preconceived opinion then turn to the Bible to prove what they ASSUME!

 

[Jack]

How can you find the truth when biblically supported views contradict?​

First of all stop attacking God of the Bible. That's a great place to start. Hell is not a nice place. Jesus said so.

 

[rwb]

There are plenty, many Christians just do not know about them, because they do not read the Bible carefully enough.

And then there are many with a doctrinal position to defend who force fit unbiblical assumptions/opinion into the Word of God as though God has given us contradiction and confusion so that we may NEVER come to knowledge of truth! Ridiculous!

 

[amigo de christo]

And people often have a tendency to grasp what they first think or hear, and though they are mistaken, there is no moving them from their position. Pride is a killer!

Much love!

WHY does , why would
anyone love a lie . You ever pondered on that my friend .
WHY is it so many would rather heed twisted doctrines rather than the TRUTH .
Have you ever pondered the real core reason behind it .
BECAUSE MANY LOVE SIN and whatever best suits them , THEY GONNA BELEIVE .
but as for a sheep , GOD has for changed its desires . TRUTH is its meat and a twister of doctrines IT WILL NOT HEED .
for lies do not fill the heart and belly of the sheep . ITS like rotted dung to thier noses .
SO may i please say one more thing . TIME TO THANK GOD FOR THE MERCY and LIFE SAVING , LIFE CHANGING grace
HE GAVE UNTO US IN CHRIST JESUS .
but do beware that we be not as many who seem to love another jesus , and man that jesus and its love
sure has made the ROAD VERY DARN BROAD as sins and UNBELEIF are now accepted . MAN
that is known as making and loving a lie . That is known as CALLING GOD A LIAR .
and there is place prepared unto those who do so . LAKE of F IRE .
THUS its high time we start getting WAY MORE SERIOUS and far more grave and do all to help this sinking generation .

 

[HealthyShape]

If you think you know of any, you show a lack of understanding. Nothing personal, but to confirm my comment--and for those who believe there are contradictions in the Bible, I am willing to show you by example...if you would like to name one. And when you are done with one, another, and another.

But if the author of this thread thinks it off-topic--which I do not consider it to be--perhaps another thread should be started.

Gospels inconsistencies:

Mark 5:21-24 indicates that Jairus approached Jesus while his daughter was still alive and requested healing.
Matthew 9:18 states that Jairus approached Jesus after his daughter has already died, asking Him to raise her.

Matthew and Mark place the cleansing of the temple near the end of Jesus' ministry, while John places it at the beginning.

OT vs NT inconsistencies:

A body you have prepared for me.
Heb 10:5, citing Psalm 40:6

You have open my ears.
Psalm 40:6 in most today's Bibles

Moral inconsistencies between the OT and NT, for example about divorce or slaves.

Cosmological inconsistencies, for example the waters being above the firmament, but the sun, stars etc. in the firmament, so rain is supposed to fall from above the Sun and the stars...

Etc.

 

[ScottA]

Gospels inconsistencies:

Mark 5:21-24 indicates that Jairus approached Jesus while his daughter was still alive and requested healing.
Matthew 9:18 states that Jairus approached Jesus after his daughter has already died, asking Him to raise her.

All "inconsistencies" are not "contradictions.

Mark 5:21-24 speaks from the perspective of the flesh, while Matthew 9:18 speaks from the perspective of the Spirit. Both are true and without contradiction--as the word of God speaks of both, and thus must be "rightly divided."

 

[HealthyShape]

All "inconsistencies" are not "contradictions.

Mark 5:21-24 speaks from the perspective of the flesh, while Matthew 9:18 speaks from the perspective of the Spirit. Both are true and without contradiction--as the word of God speaks of both, and thus must be "rightly divided."

Yeah, these weird nonsensical explanations, twisting the verses or claiming "it simply happened twice" solutions are not something that is interesting for rational people.

 

[ScottA]

Matthew and Mark place the cleansing of the temple near the end of Jesus' ministry, while John places it at the beginning.

Again, Matthew and Mark speak of the flesh (of Messiah), while John speaks of the Spirit--"before the foundation of the world." Both again are true and without contradiction.

 

[ScottA]

OT vs NT inconsistencies:

A body you have prepared for me.
Heb 10:5, citing Psalm 40:6

You have open my ears.
Psalm 40:6 in most today's Bibles

Paul is connecting Psalm 40 with the fulfillment of its greater content and context of the gospel, just as Jesus fulfilled the Psalm...with His own body. No contradiction, just "line upon line, here a little there a little" truth, as it is written--“Therefore every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things new and old.”

 

[ScottA]

Yeah, these absurd explanations are not worth my time, sorry.

No time for "all truth" as promised-- So shall it be written of you.

 

[ScottA]

Yeah, these weird nonsensical explanations, twisting the verses or claiming "it simply happened twice" solutions are not something that is interesting for rational people.

It is prideful and "rational people" who "quench the Spirit" and thereby "take away the key of knowledge."

 

[Behold]

Unless one interprets through the lens of Jesus

What Chrisitans have to learn from the NT is Church Doctrine.
This came from Paul., who was taught it by Jesus.

The Devil does not want you to know it, so, He has created a lot of other doctrines that sound true, but are not true and are designed to trap your mind so that you will never learn the REAL doctrine for the Church that came from Paul.

Here are a few notable false theologies.

MaryCult theology

Calvinism

Mormonism

JW

Scientology

Christian Science

 

[ScottA]

The church, representing the bride, possesses feminine attributes.

Neither the church nor women can overstep the authority vested in the husband—this authority is the Word of Jesus Christ. Therefore, a female pastor who obeys Jesus Christ is fit to preach.
Anyone who overstep the the authority of Jesus Christ is not fit to teaching anything.


Paul instructed women to remain silent and not to preach. I believe this was because Paul was concerned that women preaching would offend male chauvinists, thereby causing disputes within the church. This ties back to the age-old adage that wives should submit to their husbands.And the argument that the church is the bride of Christ is based on this, so Paul may have asked women to do that to avoid unnecessary problems.

Yet, a woman is not considered the wife of all men, but all churches are the bride of Jesus Christ.

As for other issues, I will not elaborate further.

This topic of "women" is a common misunderstanding.

Unbeknownst to Paul, he merely was taking a reasonable and traditional approach to a disruption then caused by "women." But that is not why the passage and issue has become a part of the eternal word of God. Yes, cultures and traditions change and very, but God does not change.

Notice that the "women keep silent in church" passage is connected with and immediately following "speaking in tongues"--also about order and disruption in the Church.

In the greater eternal context of scripture both of those issues were instructions given to the Church of how they (and we also) are to consider our part as helpful or harmful in serving Christ. The point is: The Church is the body and Bride of Christ--as if all women--as all taken out of the Son of Man as Eve was taken out of Adam; and then again joined in a holy marriage--the two becoming as One flesh. Wherein--as it is stated in the "tongues" portion of the teaching--that "interpretation" is required or our service is little more than acting as if "out of your mind." In this case--out of order--in the body of Christ.

 

[rwb]

Gospels inconsistencies:

Mark 5:21-24 indicates that Jairus approached Jesus while his daughter was still alive and requested healing.
Matthew 9:18 states that Jairus approached Jesus after his daughter has already died, asking Him to raise her.

Matthew and Mark place the cleansing of the temple near the end of Jesus' ministry, while John places it at the beginning.

Gospels inconsistencies:

Mark 5:21-24 indicates that Jairus approached Jesus while his daughter was still alive and requested healing.
Matthew 9:18 states that Jairus approached Jesus after his daughter has already died, asking Him to raise her.

Matthew and Mark place the cleansing of the temple near the end of Jesus' ministry, while John places it at the beginning.

OT vs NT inconsistencies:

A body you have prepared for me.
Heb 10:5, citing Psalm 40:6

You have open my ears.
Psalm 40:6 in most today's Bibles

Moral inconsistencies between the OT and NT, for example about divorce or slaves.

Cosmological inconsistencies, for example the waters being above the firmament, but the sun, stars etc. in the firmament, so rain is supposed to fall from above the Sun and the stars...

Etc.

Mark 5:23 (KJV) And besought him greatly, saying, My little daughter lieth at the point of death: I pray thee, come and lay thy hands on her, that she may be healed; and she shall live.

Mark 5:35-42 (KJV) While he yet spake, there came from the ruler of the synagogue's house certain which said, Thy daughter is dead: why troublest thou the Master any further? As soon as Jesus heard the word that was spoken, he saith unto the ruler of the synagogue, Be not afraid, only believe. And he suffered no man to follow him, save Peter, and James, and John the brother of James. And he cometh to the house of the ruler of the synagogue, and seeth the tumult, and them that wept and wailed greatly. And when he was come in, he saith unto them, Why make ye this ado, and weep? the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn. But when he had put them all out, he taketh the father and the mother of the damsel, and them that were with him, and entereth in where the damsel was lying. And he took the damsel by the hand, and said unto her, Talitha cumi; which is, being interpreted, Damsel, I say unto thee, arise. And straightway the damsel arose, and walked; for she was of the age of twelve years. And they were astonished with a great astonishment.

Matthew 9:18-19 (KJV) While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live. And Jesus arose, and followed him, and so did his disciples.

Matthew 9:23-25 (KJV) And when Jesus came into the ruler's house, and saw the minstrels and the people making a noise, He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn. But when the people were put forth, he went in, and took her by the hand, and the maid arose.

Luke 8:41-42 (KJV) And, behold, there came a man named Jairus, and he was a ruler of the synagogue: and he fell down at Jesus' feet, and besought him that he would come into his house: For he had one only daughter, about twelve years of age, and she lay a dying. But as he went the people thronged him.

Luke 8:49-55 (KJV) While he yet spake, there cometh one from the ruler of the synagogue's house, saying to him, Thy daughter is dead; trouble not the Master. But when Jesus heard it, he answered him, saying, Fear not: believe only, and she shall be made whole. And when he came into the house, he suffered no man to go in, save Peter, and James, and John, and the father and the mother of the maiden. And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not; she is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn, knowing that she was dead. And he put them all out, and took her by the hand, and called, saying, Maid, arise. And her spirit came again, and she arose straightway: and he commanded to give her meat.

Where is the contradiction? There is none! The only contradiction is that which you are forcing into the texts, reading the account without giving complete context. The daughter of Jarius was so near the point of death that those with her believed there was no life left in her. All three gospels give the same accounting. Even one who was from the ruler of the synagogue's house believed Jarius' daughter had died, and told him not to trouble the Master. She had slipped into sleep (perhaps, losing consciousness) but when Christ called her, saying "arise" her spirit returned and she arose. All three gospel's give almost identical witness of how sickness and death is not the end for the Master has power to heal and power over death.