mailmandan
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So, confidence in Christ or confidence in SELF for salvation?
How Confidant Are You Being Saved?
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grace yes! eternal salvation no!
we can lose grace not eternal salvation!
gal 5:19-21
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
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mailmandan
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Show me the words "lose grace" in scripture.
Who is this descriptive of? The righteous or the unrighteous? *Notice in 1 Corinthians 6:9 that Paul said - Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
*Notice what Paul said in Galatians 5:21 - ..those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. *Now notice what John said in 1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Are you seeing the light yet?
quietthinker
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Certainty opens a dimension you have no idea of.
Your attempts to make God in mans image creates a distortion you don't recognise, let alone understand.
Paul is not Luke, Hebrews, John, James etc.
Patience is a good thing yet where does >>Paul<< teach that patience is a requirement to be and remain justified, saved, sealed ?
Verses please :)
Ronald David Bruno
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It is what faith is. That confidence, certainty of Christ's promises. Christ says if you believe in me you are saved ... not maybe later, now. We try to keep his commandments, but are human and fail. Still our faith should not waver.Our confidence either rests 100% in Christ for salvation or else we are 100% lost.
Folks who place their confidence in SELF and not 100% in Christ cannot answer 10.
Thankfully, it is a done deal, we are saved, not fully redeemed yet, but very soon.
"There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit." Rom. 8:1
Ronald David Bruno
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Those who do not believe OSAS will doubt the promises and not be fully convinced if their salvation. "Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." Heb. 11:1
Here is a reference study:
“And I give to them eternal life, and they shall by no means perish forever, and no one shall snatch them out of My hand. My Father…is greater than all, and no one can snatch them out of My Father’s hand.”"
John 10:28-29
John 6:37 says:
“All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and him who comes to Me I shall by no means cast out.”
We are totality forgiven, not partially!
Jesus died for all of our sins ( past, present and future.
He remembers our sins no more.
For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified. Heb. 10:14
We are baptism by the Holy Spirit and this means we are sealed. No one can break that seal.
If someone falls away, they were never really saved from the beginning. Like the seeds planted in "shallow soil, the roots did not grow deep, they were not watered, nourished. They got excited for awhile, it was a half-hearted skeptical belief filled with doubts. They were not "born again".
Whoever believes in Jesus WILL NOT PERISH, AND WILL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. Jesus reiterates this message over and over again: John 3:16
This is Jesus promise, Eternal Life!
"elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:" 1 Peter 1:2
We were chosen. God does not lie or change His mind.
We are saved now, not maybe, not insecure but hopeful we will be redeemed. We have been saved, are saved and will remain saved.
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God—not a result of works, so that no one may boast". Eph. 2:8-9
In the time of my favor I heard you, and in the day of salvation I helped you." I tell you, now is the time of God's favor, now is the day of salvation. 2 Cor. 6:1
Jesus is the Author of our faith!
He wrote our story of how, when, where, the totality and accumulative circumstances, experiences, people coming into our lives and witnessing, ministering and preaching to us became a reality.
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Rom. 8:38-39
And this is what he promised us—eternal life. 1 John 2:25
And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
1 John 5:11
Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life.
John 6:47
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
1 John 5:13
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them. John 3:36
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. John 17:3
OSAS simply comes down to Jesus' promise, "Believe in Me and you will be saved."
He is the Author of our faith. So He wrote the story of your salvation.
What is faith? It is a gift, with certainty attached to it, His assurance of things hoped for. We believe that we ARE SAVED, NOT that maybe we will be saved! If you thought you could lose it, you would not be certain. Your faith would be shallow and conditional, based on your performance. In other words, a salvation by works.
" ...Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 1 Peter 1:3-4
" ...He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, Eph. 1:4-5
Our Father gives His Son His sheep, Whom He calls and they come. Would He give a gift, then take it away? If He did not know the future, He could make that error in trusting His sheep with a precious gift. Man has a way of screwing up good things, not taking care of them ... he fails to protect and secure, goes back on vows like marriage, or gets into trouble, abuses drugs, alcohol and loses everything. This is why God helps us along this path from losing Him. We may lose many things in life, but He secures our salvation. Why would He give something to someone knowing that they would recklessly lose it - if they could?
We are saved.
The Parable of the Sower of Seed enlightens us to the narrow path to heaven. The seed planted in shallow soil or rocky soil does not grow deep roots, nor does it grow to produce fruit. Only the seed planted in fertile soil grows, because it was cared for, nourished properly and produces fruit.
There will be a great falling away coming soon. Those who fall away and are cut-off and thrown in the fire, never had true faith. Whatever they have (a weak, humanly constructed facimile of real faith) will be tested and will fail when the trials in the Great Tribulation comes. The rest of us born again Christians will persevere through it all.
Death comes unannounced sometimes, quickly, but for most of us, gradually and so we are given time.
Is your hope in Jesus' promise real and secure or not?
If you are uncertain, your faith is weak, shallow and questionable - as the numerous doubts you present confirm that.
Finally, My first pastor's brilliant teaching about the Blood Covenant, an eternal bond.
drcraigjohnson.org
Here is a reference study:
“And I give to them eternal life, and they shall by no means perish forever, and no one shall snatch them out of My hand. My Father…is greater than all, and no one can snatch them out of My Father’s hand.”"
John 10:28-29
John 6:37 says:
“All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and him who comes to Me I shall by no means cast out.”
We are totality forgiven, not partially!
Jesus died for all of our sins ( past, present and future.
He remembers our sins no more.
For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified. Heb. 10:14
We are baptism by the Holy Spirit and this means we are sealed. No one can break that seal.
If someone falls away, they were never really saved from the beginning. Like the seeds planted in "shallow soil, the roots did not grow deep, they were not watered, nourished. They got excited for awhile, it was a half-hearted skeptical belief filled with doubts. They were not "born again".
Whoever believes in Jesus WILL NOT PERISH, AND WILL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. Jesus reiterates this message over and over again: John 3:16
This is Jesus promise, Eternal Life!
"elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:" 1 Peter 1:2
We were chosen. God does not lie or change His mind.
We are saved now, not maybe, not insecure but hopeful we will be redeemed. We have been saved, are saved and will remain saved.
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God—not a result of works, so that no one may boast". Eph. 2:8-9
In the time of my favor I heard you, and in the day of salvation I helped you." I tell you, now is the time of God's favor, now is the day of salvation. 2 Cor. 6:1
Jesus is the Author of our faith!
He wrote our story of how, when, where, the totality and accumulative circumstances, experiences, people coming into our lives and witnessing, ministering and preaching to us became a reality.
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Rom. 8:38-39
And this is what he promised us—eternal life. 1 John 2:25
And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
1 John 5:11
Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life.
John 6:47
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
1 John 5:13
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them. John 3:36
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. John 17:3
OSAS simply comes down to Jesus' promise, "Believe in Me and you will be saved."
He is the Author of our faith. So He wrote the story of your salvation.
What is faith? It is a gift, with certainty attached to it, His assurance of things hoped for. We believe that we ARE SAVED, NOT that maybe we will be saved! If you thought you could lose it, you would not be certain. Your faith would be shallow and conditional, based on your performance. In other words, a salvation by works.
" ...Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 1 Peter 1:3-4
" ...He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, Eph. 1:4-5
Our Father gives His Son His sheep, Whom He calls and they come. Would He give a gift, then take it away? If He did not know the future, He could make that error in trusting His sheep with a precious gift. Man has a way of screwing up good things, not taking care of them ... he fails to protect and secure, goes back on vows like marriage, or gets into trouble, abuses drugs, alcohol and loses everything. This is why God helps us along this path from losing Him. We may lose many things in life, but He secures our salvation. Why would He give something to someone knowing that they would recklessly lose it - if they could?
We are saved.
The Parable of the Sower of Seed enlightens us to the narrow path to heaven. The seed planted in shallow soil or rocky soil does not grow deep roots, nor does it grow to produce fruit. Only the seed planted in fertile soil grows, because it was cared for, nourished properly and produces fruit.
There will be a great falling away coming soon. Those who fall away and are cut-off and thrown in the fire, never had true faith. Whatever they have (a weak, humanly constructed facimile of real faith) will be tested and will fail when the trials in the Great Tribulation comes. The rest of us born again Christians will persevere through it all.
Death comes unannounced sometimes, quickly, but for most of us, gradually and so we are given time.
Is your hope in Jesus' promise real and secure or not?
If you are uncertain, your faith is weak, shallow and questionable - as the numerous doubts you present confirm that.
Finally, My first pastor's brilliant teaching about the Blood Covenant, an eternal bond.
The Blood Covenant: The Key to Understanding the Bible - Dr. Craig Johnson | Bethel Christian Fellowship
The theme and message of the bible; the unifying story that ties all the 66 books together is covenant. Understanding the “box top” of the jigsaw puzzle, the big picture will help explain who Jesus is, his death and resurrection.
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