How do conservative evangelicals reconcile their support for Trump with Trump’s sinful lifestyle?

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Naomanos

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You believe as you will and I will always try to find the truth and the justice of the matter.

I will and I don't believe that you have the truth and the justice of the matter at all.

There is an actual statement from a pro-Trump supporter who was there that day and heard the cop give a warning, he gave several warnings per this guy. He heard them and backed off. He is the one that caught Babbitt as she fell. So, I will continue to believe that she was warned and didn't heed the warning. This is on her. The door was barricaded and she shouldn't have attempted to go through. The cop did what he was supposed to do.

This isn't about squashing the First Amendment. What those people did should not be covered under the First Amendment. They trespassed, plain and simple. They didn't belong there inside the capitol.

I am fine with protests, whether it is Republicans, Democrats, pro-choice people, pro-life people, or whatever else you want to protest about. Have at it. However, once you break the law, which these people did, you should be held accountable. If you are warned not to proceed to go through a barricaded door and you continue to do it, then whatever happens afterwards is on you. Break the law and that is on you.

Now I am done and looking for a new forum. Hopefully, I find one much better than this one!
 

Ziggy

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Now I am done and looking for a new forum. Hopefully, I find one much better than this one!
Good Luck.
It will be difficult finding one that believes with everything you believe. But if it's out there, good luck finding it.
I rather you didn't leave... but that's me.
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Ziggy

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Why is that?
Just because people don't agee about certain things doesn't mean we shouldn't love them or care about them.
And I don't know you well enough to want to let you go. :D

Because EVERYBODY matters.
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Naomanos

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Just because people don't agee about certain things doesn't mean we shouldn't love them or care about them.
And I don't know you well enough to want to let you go. :D

Because EVERYBODY matters.
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Well, you're not protecting me from anything, and caring and loving can happen even if I am not here.

I can handle disagreements. What I cannot handle is when I am misrepresented and told what I believe, even if I don't believe what they are saying. That hasn't happened yet, in this thread, but it has happened too many times to count thus far. I just want to fellowship and yes, with like-minded individuals. Arguing takes too much energy anymore. Defending myself takes too much energy.

This is why I want to find a new forum.
 

Ziggy

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Well, you're not protecting me from anything, and caring and loving can happen even if I am not here.

I can handle disagreements. What I cannot handle is when I am misrepresented and told what I believe, even if I don't believe what they are saying. That hasn't happened yet, in this thread, but it has happened too many times to count thus far. I just want to fellowship and yes, with like-minded individuals. Arguing takes too much energy anymore. Defending myself takes too much energy.

This is why I want to find a new forum.
Why not just avoid controversial topics?
There are more forums here than just debates. We have a fellowship forum, a prayer forum, all kinds of things going on.
When you inject yourself into a debate that's what you get, debate.

And if you choose to leave I certainly will keep you in my prayers as I do many others who have come and gone over the years.
What are your likes? Let's go there.

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You believe as you will. I will believe what I saw with my own eyes on video. The door was barricaded, end of story. You don't go through a barricaded door.

I am done replying to this.

Maybe I should follow through with what I said and find a Christian forum where there is more fellowship and less of, well, the above.
How did she get in? Who unbarricaded it?

Do you have the video?
 

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What are your likes? Let's go there.

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Long walks on the beach in the rain... oh wait. You're not asking that.

Family. Reptiles and tarantulas. Video games like ARK: Survival Ascended, Call of Duty, World of War craft, Everquest, and Fortnite. Playing Dungeons and Dragons or its spin-off Pathfinder. I like to fish, especially saltwater fishing. Love watching sci-fi movies and shows. I like medical and firefighting dramas. I like reading fantasy books and watching fantasy movies and shows. I love going to hockey, soccer and football games or watching them on TV. I love to visit my kids in Upstate, NY and to visit NY, PA and NJ.
 

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How did she get in? Who unbarricaded it?

Do you have the video?

It was still barricaded and she got in through a broken window in the door.

If you search Ashli Babbit videos you'll find it.
 
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It was still barricaded and she got in through a broken window in the door.

If you search Ashli Babbit videos you'll find it.
Naw, I prefer the Shaman being given a guided tour by the capitol police... videos I provided earlier.

Did she have a gun?
 

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Naw, I prefer the Shaman being given a guided tour by the capitol police... videos I provided earlier.

Did she have a gun?

So you would rather ignore the truth of the videos, I understand. No worries.

Doesn't matter if she did or not. The answer is no, btw. She ignored direct orders to stand down and not to go through the window. The cop did his job and protected the members of government.
 

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I need to back out of this thread as Ziggy said, I need to avoid controversial threads.

@Ziggy if you want to discuss my likes, please PM me.
 

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He didn't have to shoot her.
I've watch the surveillance video, with a narrator pointing out all the incorrect things he was doing with his weapon. He had his finger on the trigger, he was carrying an armload of stuff, on and on it went. He was like a loaded gun just waiting to go off!

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I've watch the surveillance video, with a narrator pointing out all the incorrect things he was doing with his weapon. He had his finger on the trigger, he was carrying an armload of stuff, on and on it went. He was like a loaded gun just waiting to go off!

Much love!
They needed a fall guy and he already had problems with leaving his gun in a restroom.
So to iritate the other side even more, they celebrated him, gave him a medal and promoted him.
You would think this would iritate the BLM crowd because they were the ones seeking police reform in the first place.

No, I believe Ashli Babit was in the wrong, not only for climbing through the broken window, but for being in the Capital that day.
Everyone knew there was covid restrictions and the Capital had been closed to visitors for sometime.

Capitol, White House Closed to Public Due to Coronavirus​

There are at least 10 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Washington, D.C.
By Alexa Lardieri
|March 12, 2020, at 11:44 a.m.

No one should have been in the Capital. It was Ray Epps who himself admitted that he orchestrated the crowd to enter into the Capital that day. But we know it was all a publicity stunt and the Capital police and the FBI were behind it as well.
And throwing the ammunitions at the crowds outside the capital only agitated the situation and they knew it would.

There are two scenerios going on at the Capital at the same time.
On one side of the capital are the provocateers sent there to cause a distraction so the electoral votes would not get sent back to the states as planned. Both the Senate and the House had members that had voiced their disaproval and that the electoral votes must be sent back to the states. Just as they were about to do that, all hell broke loose.

If Trump supporters wanted the electoral votes to go back to the states, which they would have, then why cause a riot to prevent that from happening? Because it wasn't the Trump supporters that initiated the riot. It was the FBI and other factions from multiple groups, including antifa and the proud boys.

John Sullivan a known activist for antifa was the one with the camera that recorded Ashli Babbit getting shot on camera.
I don't think anyone expected someone to get shot, but the cameras were there ready and waiting for any drama to occur.

On the other side of the capital, Trump supporters were being waved into the capital by the capital police. They were ushered in and were allowed to roam freely through the tundra. So the more people, the larger the crowd, the easier the narrative of "insurrection" would be.
But there truly was no "insurrection" of the capital that day. There was a group of rioters on one side and unsuspecting protesters on the other.

Nevertheless, in my opinion, No one should have been in the capital that day due to the covid restrictions that were in place since March of 2020.
It would take 2 full years before the Capital would be open to the public.

Plan to reopen US Capitol to the public for first time in 2 years under review​

By Annie Grayer, CNN
2 minute read
Published 6:20 PM EDT, Mon March 14, 2022

The reason it took 2 years to open was due to the riots. Otherwise it would have been opened earlier.

If there had been no riot that day, the electoral votes would of gone back to the states for a 10 day review and the rest would be history.
We don't know if they would of found grounds for a re-election or not. All I know is there was no way the uni-party was going to take that chance.
And they brought in Pelosi's daughter to make a "movie" of the scam.
And they rigged the January 6th committee and withheld evidence. No cross examination was allowed. And cherry picked videos were displayed to control the narrative.
But now we know the rest of the story.

2024 is going to be very very interesting.
Stay safe and stay away from the Capital.
It's boobytrapped.

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I decided to start this discussion thread because I dislike how so many evangelical Christians fervently support Donald Trump. Indeed, their support for the guy is unwavering and often fanatical, a description that is by no means hyperbolic. A cursory glance at the life of Trump demonstrates that he is a deeply sinful man. One such example is that he has been married three times, having divorced two wives already, and it gets worse: All three women were betrayed including his third wife, Melania. During Trump’s third marriage, he slept with an aged porn star and paid her hush money to keep the affair a secret (which didn’t turn out too well for him).

To be clear about something: I am not arguing whether or not Trump is a sincere Christian. That isn’t the topic of this discussion. My opinion is that, while Trump pays lip service to the evangelical political positions to court their votes, he is only saying what he must say to garner support, get the right-wing votes, and ultimately get what he wants: Another shot at being POTUS for four more years. Obviously Trump’s so-called faith in Christ exists only insofar as it benefits his political career. That is why there aren’t any accounts of him being a regular church-going Christian.

When Donald Trump lost the 2020 Presidential Election to Joe Biden, something truly terrible ensued: An insurrection at the White House. Trump supporters stormed the place, bringing with them Confederate flags, many of them armed, and some people died. It was truly a national disgrace.

Granted Trump didn’t give any specific orders to overthrow the White House. But consider the nature of his speech: It was vindictive with victimhood written all over it, and there was an implicit assumption of violence. Inciting an insurrection indirectly is still inciting an insurrection! Fortunately there are over a dozen states that are now trying to keep the insurrectionist off the ballot so he doesn’t become president again, and hopefully dozens more states will follow suit.

Jesus has been nicknamed the Prince of Peace because he taught love, mercy, compassion, kindness, and all the great heavenly virtues. How do Evangelical Christians reconcile Jesus’ pacifism with their support for Trump, a notorious insurrectionist? Jesus also taught lifetime monogamy in Matthew 19:8-9. How do Evangelical Christians reconcile Jesus’ teaching about marital faithfulness with Trump's serial betrayals against all three of his wives?

Okay....
First off:
people vote and God laughs.

Secondly:
God don't care who you were, He cares about who you are.

Third:
He is a politician. Not exactly what anyone thinks of as a Saint. Jimmy Carter claimed to be a Saint and that man just about destroyed this nation. Biden wants to be just like him.

Fourth:
Trump's devotion to God may be limited but in truth he has done more for evangelicals than the past 5 Republicans combined.

Fifth:
Your understanding of "Prince of Peace" is really skewed. Jesus also said "Do not think I've come to bring peace instead I've brought a sword, from now on it will be mother against daughter and sons against their father. A man's enemies will be his own house" There's never going to be peace between men...but there can be peace between man and God. Jesus is returning on a white horse and He alone makes war.

Sixth:
Biden isn't Satan incarnate...but his liberal social agenda being shoved down kids throats and open borders has to stop...and since he won't he is getting voted out.

Seventh:
Yes I know that Democrats love to paint Jan 6 as an insurrection....however many of the things plaguing that election such as write in ballots and some other blatant cheating made its results dubious...can't blame people for being upset. Especially when Biden/Harris T-shirts, ball caps and bumper stickers STILL DONT EXIST. can't find any anywhere. MAGA stuff though? Every day I see that junk. Nevermind the new national slogan "Let's Go Brandon"....it's embarrassing to be an American with that stuff going on.
 
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