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Currently with the mood of the nation....

We could grab a yellow dog, put an "R" next to its name and it would get elected in a race against Biden.

And the worse things get (and it won't take much) if we choked that yellow dog till it died and turned blue it still would get elected.
 

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Currently with the mood of the nation....

We could grab a yellow dog, put an "R" next to its name and it would get elected in a race against Biden.

And the worse things get (and it won't take much) if we choked that yellow dog till it died and turned blue it still would get elected.
I don't think we've seen the worst yet.
But I do believe...
The Best is yet to Come
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I know a lot of people see the politics. And I know a lot of people see the spiritual war going on behind the politics.
This isn't Republican vs. Democrat. This is Good vs. Evil. This is WAR.
It's not your typical war with guns and ammo. It's a war of truth and propaganda. It's about your heart and mind and soul and who you choose to fight or defend.
On one side is Michael and his angels and on the other is the Dragon and his angels.
What we are witnessing is the war in heaven being unleashed on the earth.
It has been raging now for about 7 years that we can actually see the contrast of what right and wrong look like.
And some will choose this and some will choose that. The deception is deep and the temptations are many.
But Good will prevail and God will win and those who choose His ways and not the ways of the world.
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We Are Here:

Rev 12:7
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8
And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Rev 12:11
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12
Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Drain the Swamp!
Listen:
 

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Watching Washington Journal on C-Span this morning, like I do every morning.
This was todays question for viewers to call in and answer.
Republicans Only: Your choice in 2024?
There are 4 lines available to call in for Republicans only.
Line 1 - Trump, Line 2 - Desantis, Line 3 - Haley, and line 4 - all others.

I slept in this morning and missed the first 45 minutes of this 1 hour segment.
Curious what the pulse of the country is regarding the next election?
Then listen here:

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Anyone who votes Democrat is accepting their policies, agenda and harm already done to our nation and the world from:
* Liberalism
* Anti-Nationalism
* Anti-Capitalism
* Socialism/ Communism/Global Governance/WEF
* Deteriorating freedoms ...
* a Police state ...
* A failed foreign policy ...
* Green New Deal/Climate Change agenda
* Putting our lives and property in jeopardy
* Depopulation through abortions at any time, sterilization and deaths from vaccines, promoting LGTBTQ lifestyles, lab created and altered deadly viruses ...
* 30% inflation in just 3 years ...
* 8 million illegal immigrants coming over the border to suck up all our hard working tax paying money ...
* A half wit, dementia prone, lying, treasonous President ...
* Oh, and since you have accepted and become callous to all that, you'll likely take the Mark of the Beast too.

Instead of MAGA, they want to Make American Like Babylon ... they should wear hats with that slogan: MALB
or simply Babylon Again
 
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Anyone who votes Democrat is accepting their policies, agenda and harm already done to our nation and the world from:
* Liberalism
* Anti-Nationalism
* Anti-Capitalism
* Socialism/ Communism/Global Governance/WEF
* Deteriorating freedoms ...
* a Police state ...
* A failed foreign policy ...
* Green New Deal/Climate Change agenda
* Putting our lives and property in jeopardy
* Depopulation through abortions at any time, sterilization and deaths from vaccines, promoting LGTBTQ lifestyles, lab created and altered deadly viruses ...
* 30% inflation in just 3 years ...
* 8 million illegal immigrants coming over the border to suck up all our hard working tax paying money ...
* A half wit, dementia prone, lying, treasonous President ...
* Oh, and since you have accepted and become callous to all that, you'll likepy take the Mark of the Beast too.

Instead of MAGA, they want to Make American Like Babylon ... they should wear hats with that slogan: MALB
or simply Babylon Again

Which is your opinion of course.

I and others disagree with you. Some of it is fact, but easily explained and not Biden's fault, but the pandemic.

For me it is anyone but Trump, Haley or DeSantis in 2024. I would have chosen Christie, but he backed out.

Remember, I am an Independent Moderate.

Maybe I should put that as my signature.
 

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Which is your opinion of course.

I and others disagree with you. Some of it is fact, but easily explained and not Biden's fault, but the pandemic.

For me it is anyone but Trump, Haley or DeSantis in 2024. I would have chosen Christie, but he backed out.

Remember, I am an Independent Moderate.

Maybe I should put that as my signature.
You still might get Christie.

No labels is trying to woe him.
 

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I am an Independent Moderate.
There is no moderate position between good and evil, right from wrong. Ever read in Scripture how the luke warm are worthless?

James 1:6-8 But when you ask him, be sure that your faith is in God alone. Do not waver, for a person with divided loyalty is as unsettled as a wave of the sea that is blown and tossed by the wind. 7 Such people should not expect to receive anything from the Lord. 8 Their loyalty is divided between God and the world, and they are unstable in everything they do.

The great moderates of the past have no statues built to honor them. This is because there is no honor in dividing loyalty with God, righteousness and goodness.

If you always think ‘the truth is somewhere in the middle,’ the wise path is between the 2 options, this indicates you have been fooled into not thinking about the issues deeply enough.

You reject the top 3 Republican candidates and think yourself a moderate? It’s the person 2nd. Of primary consideration is public policy. You either worship Baal and support baby killing or you don’t! There is no moderate position.
 

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You know how many corporations made HUGE profits off that plandemic? All of them.
And we are paying the price having to pay back the loans they took from the Federal Bank with interest.
I agree it was a necessary evil to borrow all that money to keep the economy on life support until we were able to open everything back up.
But most of the cities controlled by Democrats kept everything closed down. And a lot of the money that was supposed to go to making schools safer with new ventilation systems. But not many improvements have been made to date. And what happens when the time runs out? So where is the money?


Substantial federal funding remains available for ventilation improvements in school buildings that have been shown to reduce SARS-CoV-2 transmission¶¶ (4). Such improvements are part of a multicomponent approach to enhancing the school environment and could have benefits for COVID-19 and other airborne infectious disease prevention.

Summary

What is already known about this topic?

To reduce school transmission of SARS-CoV-2, K–12 public school districts implemented ventilation improvements (replacing or upgrading ventilation systems, installing filtration systems, installing ultraviolet germicidal irradiation devices, or improving airflow). Federal funding remains available for ventilation upgrades.

What is added by this report?

None of the ventilation strategies examined was reported by >51% of school districts. Implementation of ventilation improvements varied by school district U.S. Census Bureau region, geographic locale, and poverty level. High-poverty school districts reported implementation of the highest percentage of strategies.

What are the implications for public health practice?

Many public school districts have not taken steps to improve school building ventilation. Equitable access and support might be needed to assist school districts in their efforts to prevent respiratory infections through ventilation improvements.

What Ventilation Upgrade Funds Are Available for Schools?​

Governed by the federal Office of Elementary & Secondary Education, the Elementary and Secondary School Emergency Relief Funds have comprised the following:

ESSER I​

As part of the Coronavirus Aid Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act in March 2020, $13.2 billion was allotted to the Elementary and Secondary School Emergency Relief Fund (ESSER) Fund “to address the impact that COVID-19 has had, and continues to have, on elementary and secondary schools across the Nation.” The last day to obligate these funds (i.e., legally commit) was September 30, 2022.

ESSER II​

The Coronavirus Response and Relief Supplemental Appropriations (CRRSA) Act, signed in December 2020, included another $54.3 billion for schools. The last day to obligate these funds is September 30, 2023.

ESSER III​

Signed into law in March 2021, the American Rescue Plan (ARP) Act added another $122 billion in funds “to help safely reopen and sustain the same operation of schools and address the impact of the coronavirus pandemic on the Nation’s students.” The last day to obligate these funds is September 30, 2024.

According to Afterschool Alliance, “While the Congressional Budget Office estimates that ESSER outlays will extend through 2028, updated [U.S. Dept. of Education] guidance requests that ESSER 3 funds be liquidated within 120 days after Sept 30, 2024.”

It’s important to remember that timelines are critical for allocation and spending deadlines—many funds are use-it-or-lose-it, and much of the money has yet to be spent. While estimates reveal that ESSER funds are being spent at a pace of $5 billion per month, as of February 2023, only 66% of ESSER II funds and 25% of ESSR III funds have been used.

What does it mean to liquidate the funds within 120 days after Spt 30,2024? Where does the money go?

Follow the money.
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There is no moderate position between good and evil, right from wrong. Ever read in Scripture how the luke warm are worthless?

James 1:6-8 But when you ask him, be sure that your faith is in God alone. Do not waver, for a person with divided loyalty is as unsettled as a wave of the sea that is blown and tossed by the wind. 7 Such people should not expect to receive anything from the Lord. 8 Their loyalty is divided between God and the world, and they are unstable in everything they do.

The great moderates of the past have no statues built to honor them. This is because there is no honor in dividing loyalty with God, righteousness and goodness.

If you always think ‘the truth is somewhere in the middle,’ the wise path is between the 2 options, this indicates you have been fooled into not thinking about the issues deeply enough.

You reject the top 3 Republican candidates and think yourself a moderate? It’s the person 2nd. Of primary consideration is public policy. You either worship Baal and support baby killing or you don’t! There is no moderate position.

There is indeed a moderate position and you do not get to dictate to me that there isn't.

No one is worshipping Baal, get over yourself!

I have always been and always will be a Independent Moderate.

Maybe I should stop being a Christian since the people on these boards keep telling me that Christianity and me aren't compatible.
 
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Just an FYI:

Emergency Relief Funds:Significant Improvements Are Needed to Address Fraud and Improper Payments​

GAO-23-106556Published: Feb 01, 2023. Publicly Released: Feb 01, 2023.

What GAO Found​

While fraud and accountability issues will continue to occur in COVID-19 relief programs, there is already ample evidence of widespread fraud, improper payments, and accountability deficiencies during the pandemic. For example, GAO found that from March 2020 through January 13, 2023, at least 1,044 individuals pleaded guilty to or were convicted at trial of federal charges of defrauding COVID-19 relief programs. This includes the Small Business Administration's (SBA) Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) and COVID-19 Economic Injury Disaster Loan (COVID-19 EIDL) program, the Department of Labor's (DOL) Unemployment Insurance (UI) programs, and economic impact payments issued by the Department of the Treasury and the Internal Revenue Service.

Also, federal charges were pending against at least 609 individuals or entities for attempting to defraud COVID-19 relief programs. The number of individuals facing fraud-related charges has continued to grow since March 2020 and will likely increase, as these cases take time to develop.

  • SBA Office of Inspector General (OIG). According to SBA OIG officials, as of January 25, 2023, the SBA OIG has 536 ongoing investigations involving PPP, the COVID-19 EIDL program, or both.
  • DOL OIG. From April 1, 2020 through January 10, 2023, the DOL OIG opened over 198,000 complaints and investigations involving UI. It continues to open at least 100 new UI fraud matters each week.
The extent of fraud associated with PPP, COVID-19 EIDL, UI, and other COVID-19 relief programs has not yet been fully determined. Nevertheless, in December 2022, GAO found that measures and estimates indicate substantial levels of fraud and potential fraud in UI during the pandemic. Specifically, GAO reported that if the lower bound of DOL's 2021 estimated national fraud rate for the regular UI program was extrapolated to total spending across all UI programs during the pandemic, it would suggest over $60 billion in fraudulent UI payments. However, such an extrapolation has inherent limitations and should be interpreted with caution.

One of the many challenges in determining the full extent of fraud is its deceptive nature. Programs can incur financial losses related to fraud that are never identified and such losses are difficult to reliably estimate. In ongoing work, GAO is seeking to calculate a comprehensive estimate of UI fraud and is exploring ways to estimate the amount of fraud more broadly across the federal government.

The amount of funds the government will ultimately be able to recover from fraud losses is yet to be determined as well. Various reporting from the OIGs provides insight into completed investigations and recoupment efforts. For example, SBA's OIG reported that its collaboration with SBA and the U.S. Secret Service has resulted in the seizure of more than $1 billion stolen by fraudsters from the COVID-19 EIDL program. DOL OIG investigations and investigative assistance to state workforce agencies have resulted in UI fraud monetary results, including forfeitures and restitution amounts, in excess of $905 million.

In addition to noted vulnerabilities to fraud, COVID-19 relief funding exacerbated an already growing improper payments problem in the federal government.

Government-wide Improper Payment Estimates for Fiscal Years 2003 2022

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Note: Prior year improper payment estimates have not been adjusted for inflation. aThis does not include estimates related to certain significant expenditures to fund response and recovery efforts for the COVID-19 pandemic, such as the Department of Labor's (DOL) Pandemic Unemployment Assistance program in the Unemployment Insurance (UI) system.

GAO identified four major factors that contributed to federal programs' exposure to fraud, improper payments, and other accountability challenges when administering COVID-19 relief programs. Specifically, agencies:

  • Did not strategically manage fraud risks and were not adequately prepared to prevent fraud
  • Lacked appropriate controls to prevent, detect, and recover fraudulent and other improper payments
  • Lack permanent, government-wide analytic capabilities to help agencies identify fraud
  • Continue to have challenges with improper payments
GAO has made 374 recommendations and 19 matters for congressional consideration across its COVID-19 work. As of January 20, 2023, agencies had fully or partially addressed 147 of these 374 recommendations. Congress had fully addressed one matter and partially addressed another. The intent of these recommendations were for agencies to implement mid-course corrections where appropriate and to increase transparency and accountability of the COVID-19 response and for future emergencies. For example 22 recommendations and matters involved actions to address fraud risks, 11 were tied to specific improper payment issues, and 5 were related to both issues across multiple COVID-19 relief programs.
 

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Which is your opinion of course.

I and others disagree with you. Some of it is fact, but easily explained and not Biden's fault, but the pandemic.

For me it is anyone but Trump, Haley or DeSantis in 2024. I would have chosen Christie, but he backed out.

Remember, I am an Independent Moderate.

Maybe I should put that as my signature.
I think more info should be on everyone's profile to help us sort through these blind internet relationships.
Biden is not smart enough to have planned anything like plandemic. He is not running the show. Those elites are, he just following, grifting, and destroying our nation.
If Trump did not run, DeSantis would be next in line, for me. But I do not have much hope that America will be great again. My hope is in Jesus return very soon to fix this world. I will vote Republican ( with all my doubts); but I do not believe Trump or any other Republican will win. The Dems will steal the election as they did last time and many other times. Voter fraud through fraudulent ballot harvesting, Dominion Voting machines hooked up to the Internet ... with just a push of a button from someone sitting in Brussels, votes are switched. Just recently, 200k fraudulent votes just in one county in Georgia were reported.
I no longe have any faith in the system, in Texas I do, Florida and other states yes; but those many swing states like Georgia, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, Arizona, Colorado ... there is corruption.
Back to your position: What a comfortable place, to be, a moderate ... neutral ... to play it safe ... you can't get much flack from either side and you appear to be the balanced one.
I have an uncle like that. He just had to get along with everyone, in every way, politically, religiously, always played neutral. But he never took a stand for anything concrete, was wishy washy, waffling.
When it comes to good and evil, don't play moderate.
 
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You know how many corporations made HUGE profits off that plandemic? All of them.
And we are paying the price having to pay back the loans they took from the Federal Bank with interest.

A pkus for a DeSantis vote and the way he handled things
I agree it was a necessary evil to borrow all that money to keep the economy on life support until we were able to open everything back up.
But most of the cities controlled by Democrats kept everything closed down. And a lot of the money that was supposed to go to making schools safer with new ventilation systems. But not many improvements have been made to date. And what happens when the time runs out? So where is the money?


Substantial federal funding remains available for ventilation improvements in school buildings that have been shown to reduce SARS-CoV-2 transmission¶¶ (4). Such improvements are part of a multicomponent approach to enhancing the school environment and could have benefits for COVID-19 and other airborne infectious disease prevention.

Summary

What is already known about this topic?

To reduce school transmission of SARS-CoV-2, K–12 public school districts implemented ventilation improvements (replacing or upgrading ventilation systems, installing filtration systems, installing ultraviolet germicidal irradiation devices, or improving airflow). Federal funding remains available for ventilation upgrades.

What is added by this report?

None of the ventilation strategies examined was reported by >51% of school districts. Implementation of ventilation improvements varied by school district U.S. Census Bureau region, geographic locale, and poverty level. High-poverty school districts reported implementation of the highest percentage of strategies.

What are the implications for public health practice?

Many public school districts have not taken steps to improve school building ventilation. Equitable access and support might be needed to assist school districts in their efforts to prevent respiratory infections through ventilation improvements.

What Ventilation Upgrade Funds Are Available for Schools?​

Governed by the federal Office of Elementary & Secondary Education, the Elementary and Secondary School Emergency Relief Funds have comprised the following:

ESSER I​

As part of the Coronavirus Aid Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act in March 2020, $13.2 billion was allotted to the Elementary and Secondary School Emergency Relief Fund (ESSER) Fund “to address the impact that COVID-19 has had, and continues to have, on elementary and secondary schools across the Nation.” The last day to obligate these funds (i.e., legally commit) was September 30, 2022.

ESSER II​

The Coronavirus Response and Relief Supplemental Appropriations (CRRSA) Act, signed in December 2020, included another $54.3 billion for schools. The last day to obligate these funds is September 30, 2023.

ESSER III​

Signed into law in March 2021, the American Rescue Plan (ARP) Act added another $122 billion in funds “to help safely reopen and sustain the same operation of schools and address the impact of the coronavirus pandemic on the Nation’s students.” The last day to obligate these funds is September 30, 2024.

According to Afterschool Alliance, “While the Congressional Budget Office estimates that ESSER outlays will extend through 2028, updated [U.S. Dept. of Education] guidance requests that ESSER 3 funds be liquidated within 120 days after Sept 30, 2024.”

It’s important to remember that timelines are critical for allocation and spending deadlines—many funds are use-it-or-lose-it, and much of the money has yet to be spent. While estimates reveal that ESSER funds are being spent at a pace of $5 billion per month, as of February 2023, only 66% of ESSER II funds and 25% of ESSR III funds have been used.

What does it mean to liquidate the funds within 120 days after Spt 30,2024? Where does the money go?

Follow the money.
Just another way the politicians get fatter and fatter checkbooks. That is a given
 

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A pkus for a DeSantis vote and the way he handled things

Just another way the politicians get fatter and fatter checkbooks. That is a given
Not much Trump could do. He had to leave it in the hands of the Governors of the states.
Just like the summer of love. He needed the Governors permission to send in national guard except for Federal buildings like court houses.
I like DeSantis but he got big Lobby donors behind him too. He wasn't able to take down Disney or any of the other establishments unless it was given to him. They would of faught him the same way their fighting Trump.
He sings a good song, but for some reason it sounds out of key for me.
Nikki Haley is a war mongerer. She'll have us burning down the world with twice as much ferociousness as Biden.
She's in bed with the military establishment. And will run the pentagon like Hitler. I don't trust her.

Not many I do trust to tell the truth. I'm not sure where we'll be this time next year. We'll just have to wait and see.
In the meantime... We have to trust that God knows what he's doing.
And be the best that we can be regardless if we get brought under the hand of Babylon.
We will be like Daniel. And our faith will never waiver no matter who is running the show.

Focus on God. He won't steer us wrong as long as we have faith in Him.
God Bless
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There is indeed a moderate position
So you say without example - and in violation of Scripture.

No one is worshipping Baal, get over yourself!
How defensive! It's not me. You are a Baal worshipper and don't realize it. This is why IDOLATRY is so insidious; people do not realize they've fallen victim to it ... I'm not a Baal worshipper, I just support baby killing in the name of being an independent moderate. Do you realize how absurd your position sounds?

Moral clarity. Public policy separates the wheat from the chaff.
Maybe I should stop being a Christian since the people on these boards keep telling me that Christianity and me aren't compatible.
It's ideology not personality. Christianity includes a set of beliefs. There are opposing beliefs sister.


for whoever is not against us is for us.
Mark 9:40

NOTE: Jesus offers no middle ground, no moderate position. If you are not against Baal, not against baby killing, you are for Baal and baby killing. Amen.
 

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Phl 4:5
Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.
Moderation:
  1. equitable, fair, mild, gentle

On New Years Eve 1979 I went to a party at my girlfriends house. As the night went on,her mom baught a lot of booze and a lot of older kids started coming in. I was 13. And even though I don't like nor ever have liked alcohol, I got drunk so I wouldn't stand out from the rest.
I don't recall much that happened that night. I woke up in the morning in a cold abandoned house with snow coming in the windows.
My coat was over my body but my clothes were strewn around the room. No one was there but me.
I got dressed and went home. I didn't tell my parents what happened because I knew they would get angry at me for drinking.

Around April I noticed changes happening in my body. I suspected I was pregnant, but I didn't want to say anything. I didn't want to disappoint my parents. So I went to my brother's girlfriend and asked if she would help me tell them. She sat beside me holding my hand while I did. It wasn't easy. My mother started crying and my father went into a rampage wanting to know who the father was.
I didn't know. I still don't to this day.

So I was given a choice. I could put the child up for adoption of keep it. In those days abortions weren't looked at in the same way as today and I was already past the first trimester which made it illegal anyways. My parents weren't religious but they believed in God, so that option was never an option to begin with.

So it took me until the 8th month to decide what I wanted to do. I chose to keep the child. A daughter. The one and only child I ever had the privledge to carry even being married to two different men. Other children just were not in the cards.
I missed a lot of school. They graduated me out of the 8th grade even though I never attended. I got looks and comments from the kids I used to hang with. The adults would call me the southie wh*re. But we survived it.

I have a 21 year old grandson now. My only grandson who was born perfectly healthy but became autistic at the age of 3.
My daughter never batted an eye. He still lives at home. And they are healthy and happy even with disablities.

Sometimes you have to make tough choices in life. And if you don't have support or someone to hold your hand when your facing fear or despair. You make choices which seem the most rational at the time. Can I feed it? Can I clothe it? Where will we live?
Will my parents throw me out? Will my boyfriend leave me stranded?
Can I do this alone?

Unless you been there. It's very hard to say what you would do if you were in the same position.

I don't agree with abortion for choices sake. Oh I got knocked up. I'll just get rid of it and do it again. That to me is abomination.
And sometimes that one time may be the only time you get. Regardless of the circumstances.
It's easy to point a finger and judge other people and tell them what you would do if you were them.
But your not them.

And you don't know what you would do unless you found yourself in that same circumstance.
This is the circumstance I found myself, and this is the choice that I made.
Other people may not have parents willing to help raise their child. Or a partner willing to help take on the responsibility of another life.
Most are too afraid to face the consequences and they try to hide it.
But abortion leaves internal scars we can never see from the outside.
The always wondering... what if?

Just think about what your saying before you say it. Try to put your feet in someone else's shoes and walk their walk.
Be considerate of others feelings. And don't make judgments on other people's decisions. They will have to live with that, not you.

This world aint easy. And there are really bad people out there that take advantage of people who get themselves in some serious predicaments. They tell them it's the easy way out and they listen, not realizing they will have to live with that choice for the rest of their lives.

With much Love
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Currently with the mood of the nation....

We could grab a yellow dog, put an "R" next to its name and it would get elected in a race against Biden.

And the worse things get (and it won't take much) if we choked that yellow dog till it died and turned blue it still would get elected.
Haven't heard the 'old yellow dog' story in while, but if the shoe fits....
 
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