How do conservative evangelicals reconcile their support for Trump with Trump’s sinful lifestyle?

[marks]

the devil can no longer get into the third Heaven as he could back then which he was able to do back then due to the authority God had given to Adam... being given to the devil by Adam as a result of Adam and Eve submitting themselves to the devil!

Could you point me to some Scripture about that?

Thanks!

Much love!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I posted references for this at: Post #21 in this thread - Click Here

You would want to read all of Hebrews 9

 

[Ziggy]

No, it was patriotic, and called for peaceful protest.

I cannot understand those who cannot see that.

And all the rest who are trying to take Trump down any way they can. And yet so far none can. And simply compare when you had a businessman and negotiator in the White House, compared to a bumbling dementia patient head of a very corrupt crime family, just look at the results of their administrations.

Here again, I cannot understand how someone cannot be cognizant of this difference. This country is being burnt to the ground by those who are depraved and corrupted and bought, who took power illegally, who defy the constitution at every turn.

Don't you want to go back to secure borders, to a thriving economy, and stop dialing up all the hate?

Much love!

Projection is an interesting thing. It's when you do something and point your finger at another and accuse them of your own doing.

I hear all the time how Trump's supporters look to him as some kind of savior or God and that we are a cult because we believe he will save us. And in some aspects I believe this is kind of true. I suppose you could say we find him the next best thing to sliced bread.
But we don't reverance him as a God or a savior. Just a very savvy businessman that can pull this country out of destruction.

On the other hand, those that hate him and unmercifully prosecute him, treat him as a God, and their cult is out to crucify him.

So it's not that we believe Trump is a God, but rather the other side treats him the same way mankind treated Jesus Christ.

They brought false witnesses to accuse him of anything they deemed against the law. And they hung him on false accusations.
They jeered at him and wished him dead. They provoked him to anger and still he loves them even if they hate him.

We understand that man is not without sin. And we are weak when it comes to the flesh. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
But they expect him to be sinless. And will point out every flaw to justify themselves.

No, it's not that we look to Trump as a God or a saviour. I think it's the other side that is looking for a saviour from themselves.
And because he doesn't fit the mold that they believe he should be, then they want to be rid of him.
Why do they fear him so much?
Do they believe that Trump is God?

Projection....

Just thinking
Hugs

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Why do they fear him so much?

I wish I knew. If asked all they will say is he is a liar.

 

[Naomanos]

I decided to start this discussion thread because I dislike how so many evangelical Christians fervently support Donald Trump. Indeed, their support for the guy is unwavering and often fanatical, a description that is by no means hyperbolic. A cursory glance at the life of Trump demonstrates that he is a deeply sinful man. One such example is that he has been married three times, having divorced two wives already, and it gets worse: All three women were betrayed including his third wife, Melania. During Trump’s third marriage, he slept with an aged porn star and paid her hush money to keep the affair a secret (which didn’t turn out too well for him).

To be clear about something: I am not arguing whether or not Trump is a sincere Christian. That isn’t the topic of this discussion. My opinion is that, while Trump pays lip service to the evangelical political positions to court their votes, he is only saying what he must say to garner support, get the right-wing votes, and ultimately get what he wants: Another shot at being POTUS for four more years. Obviously Trump’s so-called faith in Christ exists only insofar as it benefits his political career. That is why there aren’t any accounts of him being a regular church-going Christian.

When Donald Trump lost the 2020 Presidential Election to Joe Biden, something truly terrible ensued: An insurrection at the White House. Trump supporters stormed the place, bringing with them Confederate flags, many of them armed, and some people died. It was truly a national disgrace.

Granted Trump didn’t give any specific orders to overthrow the White House. But consider the nature of his speech: It was vindictive with victimhood written all over it, and there was an implicit assumption of violence. Inciting an insurrection indirectly is still inciting an insurrection! Fortunately there are over a dozen states that are now trying to keep the insurrectionist off the ballot so he doesn’t become president again, and hopefully dozens more states will follow suit.

Jesus has been nicknamed the Prince of Peace because he taught love, mercy, compassion, kindness, and all the great heavenly virtues. How do Evangelical Christians reconcile Jesus’ pacifism with their support for Trump, a notorious insurrectionist? Jesus also taught lifetime monogamy in Matthew 19:8-9. How do Evangelical Christians reconcile Jesus’ teaching about marital faithfulness with Trump's serial betrayals against all three of his wives?

Just know that while many will disagree with you as you have seen, there are some of us that do agree with you.

Many here don't realize just how duped they have been by Trump.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Just know that while many will disagree with you as you have seen, there are some of us that do agree with you.

Many here don't realize just how duped they have been by Trump.

But I like it.

Better Trump then Barry

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I decided to start this discussion thread because I dislike how so many evangelical Christians fervently support Donald Trump. Indeed, their support for the guy is unwavering and often fanatical, a description that is by no means hyperbolic. A cursory glance at the life of Trump demonstrates that he is a deeply sinful man. One such example is that he has been married three times, having divorced two wives already, and it gets worse: All three women were betrayed including his third wife, Melania. During Trump’s third marriage, he slept with an aged porn star and paid her hush money to keep the affair a secret (which didn’t turn out too well for him).

To be clear about something: I am not arguing whether or not Trump is a sincere Christian. That isn’t the topic of this discussion. My opinion is that, while Trump pays lip service to the evangelical political positions to court their votes, he is only saying what he must say to garner support, get the right-wing votes, and ultimately get what he wants: Another shot at being POTUS for four more years. Obviously Trump’s so-called faith in Christ exists only insofar as it benefits his political career. That is why there aren’t any accounts of him being a regular church-going Christian.

When Donald Trump lost the 2020 Presidential Election to Joe Biden, something truly terrible ensued: An insurrection at the White House. Trump supporters stormed the place, bringing with them Confederate flags, many of them armed, and some people died. It was truly a national disgrace.

Granted Trump didn’t give any specific orders to overthrow the White House. But consider the nature of his speech: It was vindictive with victimhood written all over it, and there was an implicit assumption of violence. Inciting an insurrection indirectly is still inciting an insurrection! Fortunately there are over a dozen states that are now trying to keep the insurrectionist off the ballot so he doesn’t become president again, and hopefully dozens more states will follow suit.

Jesus has been nicknamed the Prince of Peace because he taught love, mercy, compassion, kindness, and all the great heavenly virtues. How do Evangelical Christians reconcile Jesus’ pacifism with their support for Trump, a notorious insurrectionist? Jesus also taught lifetime monogamy in Matthew 19:8-9. How do Evangelical Christians reconcile Jesus’ teaching about marital faithfulness with Trump's serial betrayals against all three of his wives?

Here's part of Trump's speech that day that all the Left-Wing news reports removed:
He said: "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

Trump and his supporters believed the election was stolen. No need to rehash all that, it is a futile argument. But phrases used by Trump in his speech like, "we need to fight", is figurative language, as in let your voices be heard - peacefully.
It's all a political scheme filled with lies to stop Trump from being elected.
God is sovereign! All this is part of the end time scenario. Jesus is coming soon.

 

[Ziggy]

I believe the greater sin is in the Jan 6th committee that withheld information from the public and spun a BIG LIE to decieve us all.

The Big Lie wasn't about election interference, it was about the cover up they tried to get away with, but got CAUGHT.

And both sides were in on it. McConnell knew, Shumer knew, Pelosi knew, McCarthy knew. A lot of them knew.
They all seen the tapes. And they all lied to us.

They are called the Uni-party because they are locked at the hips with their corruption of our country.
There are a few that are trying to fix the problems, you know, they call them the MAGA Extremists.
Because we want to be rid of the corruption and give the country back to the people and take it out of the hands of the Elite few who want to rule over us and control everything we do.
Make America Great Again, isn't just a slogan, it's the end game.

Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

Ray Epps Gets NO JAIL and PROBATION #court #trial #j6

Ray Epps gets no jail and probation after a very convenient change of plea proceeding allowed him to enter a sweetheart plea deal virtually.

rumble.com

 

[Ziggy]

27 States OBJECT to Trump's Ballot Removal at Supreme Court #trump #2024 #scotus

27 States filed a brief with the Supreme Court objecting to Colorado's decision to remove Trump from the 2024 ballot.

rumble.com

 

[Ziggy]

Trump Prosecutors BUSTED: Fani Willis and Nathan Wade EXPOSED in AFFAIR #trump #trial #court

Fani Willis and Nathan Wade get exposed in @mikeroman's Motion to Dismiss the Georgia indictment against Trump and the other Co-Defendants.

rumble.com

 

[Ziggy]

Ashli Babbitt's Estate SUES Federal Government #lawsuit #court #trump

Ashli Babbitt's estate sues the U.S. government for negligence and wrongful death demanding $30 million in damages.

rumble.com

 

[Naomanos]

Ashli Babbitt's Estate SUES Federal Government #lawsuit #court #trump

Ashli Babbitt's estate sues the U.S. government for negligence and wrongful death demanding $30 million in damages.

rumble.com

And they should lose! She was shot and killed while trespassing on federal property and while breaking through a barrier that was set up to keep the people trespassing away from the members of our Government. She was warned not to go through, she continued anyway.

Anyone here who owns a gun would do the same thing while someone was breaking into their home in defense of their family. The gentleman was hired to protect the members of our government and he did his job. You wouldn't say the person breaking into your home was just coming in to have a party, so why defend Ashli Babbitt when she is clearly in the wrong? You wouldn't defend the person breaking into your home to harm your family.

It is tragic what happened, but it was her own fault she was shot and killed, and don't give me the line that they were being let in. Not all were being let in. Many broke in and even if some were let in, if a door was barricaded, it is well known you don't go through that door. They broke the window to try and get into that chamber.

She is 100% at fault and her estate should lose this case!

 

[Ziggy]

Ep 3256b - [FF] Warning, Did Pelosi Just Say The Quiet Part Out Loud? A Moment In Time

Help Reach Health & Fitness Resolutions With BellyTrim: --> http://www.trimwithx22.com Click Above ^ To Get UP To 51% OFF!!! The [DS] are now moving forward with their agenda, most likely a [FF] e

rumble.com

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

And they should lose! She was shot and killed while trespassing on federal property and while breaking through a barrier that was set up to keep the people trespassing away from the members of our Government. She was warned not to go through, she continued anyway.

Anyone here who owns a gun would do the same thing while someone was breaking into their home in defense of their family. The gentleman was hired to protect the members of our government and he did his job. You wouldn't say the person breaking into your home was just coming in to have a party, so why defend Ashli Babbitt when she is clearly in the wrong? You wouldn't defend the person breaking into your home to harm your family.

It is tragic what happened, but it was her own fault she was shot and killed, and don't give me the line that they were being let in. Not all were being let in. Many broke in and even if some were let in, if a door was barricaded, it is well known you don't go through that door. They broke the window to try and get into that chamber.

She is 100% at fault and her estate should lose this case!

Too weird

 

[Ziggy]

And they should lose! She was shot and killed while trespassing on federal property and while breaking through a barrier that was set up to keep the people trespassing away from the members of our Government. She was warned not to go through, she continued anyway.

Anyone here who owns a gun would do the same thing while someone was breaking into their home in defense of their family. The gentleman was hired to protect the members of our government and he did his job. You wouldn't say the person breaking into your home was just coming in to have a party, so why defend Ashli Babbitt when she is clearly in the wrong? You wouldn't defend the person breaking into your home to harm your family.

It is tragic what happened, but it was her own fault she was shot and killed, and don't give me the line that they were being let in. Not all were being let in. Many broke in and even if some were let in, if a door was barricaded, it is well known you don't go through that door. They broke the window to try and get into that chamber.

She is 100% at fault and her estate should lose this case!

He gave no warning.

Anywho, Did you know in many states that if you try to defend your property when someone breaks in, and they get injured ( the one breaking in) can bring charges against the home owner?

Can I Legally Defend Myself at Home?​

Defending yourself in your occupied home in the state where you live can be very tricky. Unfortunately, there’s not a one-size-fits all recommendation, which is why we encourage you to reach out to an Independent Program Attorney and ask them what the laws are in your state! For instance, some states may require you to retreat in certain situations, some may require you to use certain levels of force, and some may actually have a presumption of reasonableness for people who defend themselves in certain occupied areas, such as those that have codified the Castle Doctrine in their laws.

Home Defense Plan: What Will the Law Allow? - U.S. LawShield

What will the law allow in a Home Defense Plan? Join us as we cover: What Is home defense? Can I legally defend myself at home? Castle Doctrine and more!

www.uslawshield.com

Ashli Babbit was in the People's House.

Remember this:

Ex-detective Brett Hankison is alleged to have “willfully used unconstitutionally excessive force … when he fired his service weapon into Taylor’s apartment through a covered window and covered glass door.” Hankison, who fired 10 shots into Taylor’s home and was acquitted of state wanton endangerment charges earlier this year, has been indicted on two federal counts of deprivation of rights under color of law. Only Hankison was charged at the state level.

The death of 26-year-old Taylor, an emergency room technician, along with that of George Floyd and others, sparked nationwide protests in 2020, leading to changes in policing policy and laws.

On March 12, 2020, a Jefferson County Circuit Court judge approved five search warrants for locations linked to Taylor’s ex-boyfriend, a convicted felon suspected of supplying a local drug house. One of those locations was Taylor’s residence.

In the early hours of March 13, Hankison and other officers executed a warrant at Taylor’s apartment. Taylor was in bed with her boyfriend, Kenneth Walker III, when the officers announced their presence and then battered down the front door.

Taylor and Walker yelled to ask who was at the door but got no response, Walker said afterward. Thinking they were intruders, Walker grabbed a gun he legally owned and fired a shot when the officers broke through the door.

That triggered a volley of fire from the officers. Taylor, who was standing in a hallway with Walker, was shot multiple times. Walker was not injured.

Taylor was harboring a criminal and got shot in the crossfire.
Ashli Babbit had no weapon and no warning was given.

It's ok to protest when democrats get shot but not republicans?

sure

 

[Naomanos]

He gave no warning.

Anywho, Did you know in many states that if you try to defend your property when someone breaks in, and they get injured ( the one breaking in) can bring charges against the home owner?

Can I Legally Defend Myself at Home?​

Defending yourself in your occupied home in the state where you live can be very tricky. Unfortunately, there’s not a one-size-fits all recommendation, which is why we encourage you to reach out to an Independent Program Attorney and ask them what the laws are in your state! For instance, some states may require you to retreat in certain situations, some may require you to use certain levels of force, and some may actually have a presumption of reasonableness for people who defend themselves in certain occupied areas, such as those that have codified the Castle Doctrine in their laws.

Home Defense Plan: What Will the Law Allow? - U.S. LawShield

What will the law allow in a Home Defense Plan? Join us as we cover: What Is home defense? Can I legally defend myself at home? Castle Doctrine and more!

www.uslawshield.com

Ashli Babbit was in the People's House.

Remember this:

Ex-detective Brett Hankison is alleged to have “willfully used unconstitutionally excessive force … when he fired his service weapon into Taylor’s apartment through a covered window and covered glass door.” Hankison, who fired 10 shots into Taylor’s home and was acquitted of state wanton endangerment charges earlier this year, has been indicted on two federal counts of deprivation of rights under color of law. Only Hankison was charged at the state level.

The death of 26-year-old Taylor, an emergency room technician, along with that of George Floyd and others, sparked nationwide protests in 2020, leading to changes in policing policy and laws.

On March 12, 2020, a Jefferson County Circuit Court judge approved five search warrants for locations linked to Taylor’s ex-boyfriend, a convicted felon suspected of supplying a local drug house. One of those locations was Taylor’s residence.

In the early hours of March 13, Hankison and other officers executed a warrant at Taylor’s apartment. Taylor was in bed with her boyfriend, Kenneth Walker III, when the officers announced their presence and then battered down the front door.

Taylor and Walker yelled to ask who was at the door but got no response, Walker said afterward. Thinking they were intruders, Walker grabbed a gun he legally owned and fired a shot when the officers broke through the door.

That triggered a volley of fire from the officers. Taylor, who was standing in a hallway with Walker, was shot multiple times. Walker was not injured.

Taylor was harboring a criminal and got shot in the crossfire.
Ashli Babbit had no weapon and no warning was given.

It's ok to protest when democrats get shot but not republicans?

sure

You believe as you will. I will believe what I saw with my own eyes on video. The door was barricaded, end of story. You don't go through a barricaded door.

I am done replying to this.

Maybe I should follow through with what I said and find a Christian forum where there is more fellowship and less of, well, the above.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

You believe as you will. I will believe what I saw with my own eyes on video. The door was barricaded, end of story. You don't go through a barricaded door.

I am done replying to this.

Maybe I should follow through with what I said and find a Christian forum where there is more fellowship and less of, well, the above.

I was on one this summer. It got shut down for the admin to regroup because he could not handle disagreement very well.

I shall see if I have that link and I will message you with it if I do.

 

[Ziggy]

You believe as you will. I will believe what I saw with my own eyes on video. The door was barricaded, end of story. You don't go through a barricaded door.

I am done replying to this.

Maybe I should follow through with what I said and find a Christian forum where there is more fellowship and less of, well, the above.

I'm not saying what she did was right, but I believe shooting at her was unjustified.
He could of grabbed her and cuffed her.
He didn't have to shoot her.
But they needed the DRAMA and they don't care who they hurt getting it.

One side is for the cause of taking away the 2nd amendment. That's the Taylor case. The other side is to take away your 1st amendment.
Thats the Babbit case. Your not allowed to question it. Period.
You believe as you will and I will always try to find the truth and the justice of the matter.

Don't take sides. Because neither one of them are justified.

Hugs

 

[Wrangler]

I dislike how so many evangelical Christians fervently support Donald Trump.

Too bad you are so emotionally driven.

No one is looking to Trump as religious leader.

All that matters as a primary consideration for a political leader is public policy. Don’t be influenced by 4th order concern of his personal life. Here are the proper levels of consideration:

1. Public policy position
2. Track Record/Resume of Competence
3. Character/Trustworthiness
4. Like ability, e.g., saying mean things, how he makes you feel, etc.

Trump is a fighter. He fights for what he believes is right. This is what it looks like.

He is my President. And as a 1% supporter, I have told him that I am with him to the end, no matter what end.