How Do You Show Love To Believers of Other Denominations?

[Wrangler]

Truth hurts.

Yea. And your post was not in the Spirit of the OP.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Reality is what Jesus taught as The Word made flesh who dwelt among us.

Jesus said,no one comes to the Father unless God calls them. God wrote those would be called by name in the Lambs Book of Eternal Life before the creation, foundation,of the world.

God hated Esau. If God loved everyone The Elect of God would be all people everywhere. And Universal Salvation would be Gospel.


We are to have nothing to do with unbelievers. Or,those who reject the Gospel.

You are attempting to push a doctrine contrary to what Jesus taught.

Love everyone!
No.

I don't love Hamas. Do you? If you say yes,you love those who set babies afire.

I don't love serial killers. Do you?

You think we're suppose to love cults that lead people to Hell.

Does God love those who do this?
Does Hell exist?

Is Hell the abode reflecting God's love? And those he loves?

You think to teach a doctrine not even God upholds?

 

[BlessedPeace]

Yea. And your post was not in the Spirit of the OP.

False.
My post was in the spirit of truth. Addressing an OP that knows not that what Jesus taught.

 

[MatthewG]

Reality is what Jesus taught as The Word made flesh who dwelt among us.

He taught spiritual things, and truth which makes one free.

Mark 4:13 And He said to them, “Do you not understand this parable? How will you understand all the parables?

John 6:63
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

John 14:5-8
“Thomas said, “Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?” Jesus answered, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. The only way to the Father is through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father too. But now you know the Father. You have seen him.” Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father. That is all we need.””
‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭5‬-‭8‬ ‭ERV‬‬

Jesus said,no one comes to the Father unless God calls them.

God through Jesus did call them.

“As Jesus was walking by Lake Galilee, he saw two brothers, Simon (called Peter) and Simon’s brother Andrew. These brothers were fishermen, and they were fishing in the lake with a net. Jesus said to them, “Come, follow me, and I will make you a different kind of fishermen. You will bring in people, not fish.” Simon and Andrew immediately left their nets and followed him. Jesus continued walking by Lake Galilee. He saw two other brothers, James and John, the sons of Zebedee. They were in a boat with their father Zebedee. They were preparing their nets to catch fish. Jesus told the brothers to come with him. So they immediately left the boat and their father, and they followed Jesus.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭4‬:‭18‬-‭22‬ ‭ERV‬‬

They were called by God among them, Emmanuel, through Yeshua. I do not deny those were the very chosen apostles, along with Paul, whom were personally taught by the Lord Jesus Christ and are in charge of a bride which was governed over by the Apostles of Jesus Christ.

Today God, calls to all. By and through that Bride, and the Spirit.

“The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” Everyone who hears this should also say, “Come!” All who are thirsty may come; they can have the water of life as a free gift if they want it.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22‬:‭17‬ ‭ERV‬‬

God wrote those would be called by name in the Lambs Book of Eternal Life before the creation, foundation,of the world.

I do not personally believe that the book of life ever pertained to the gentiles. I believe that book of life is concerning the genealogy, of Israel which would be done away with… I think… I don’t remember if it’s mentioned in revelation 21,22. I would have to take time to go and read it again.

I don’t believe in predestination, in the sense of God picking in choosing. The predestined where those people in the Bible who are be written to and also dying and being murderer for their faith. However many people deem the people who were wrote to in the Bible, are inferior and never consider them at all, which to me is shameful, in regards of the first ones whom experienced the Lord Yeshua, and then his return with the destruction of the world know to the Jews, whom were all killed, and the pure in Christ bride was gathered. Killing off all 12 tribes in my opinion today. Therefore the book of life pertained to them according to their own generations which had came and went since the beginning of Adam and Eve and this ending of the an age. Material religion done.

God hated Esau. If God loved everyone The Elect of God would be all people everywhere. And Universal Salvation would be Gospel.

God did dislike, Esau. He still blessed him in his life though. Esau was the one who made his own choices to do what he did. Just like God blessed Cain even though he killed Abel. The elect of God would the be the first century bride which is experienced great tribulation and the great and dreadful day of the LORD came to pass as promised. This is something I personally believe. However you are free to disagree with anything which is presented and suggest I am wrong on these things. God dislikes me for probably disliking this coworker at work but I told God I dislike the guy already in understanding that he understands and gets that is frustrating and he wants to continue in peace and understanding and not murdering and giving in the abusive words and harming a person by downgrading them.

We are to have nothing to do with unbelievers. Or,those who reject the Gospel.

You are more than free to do whatever you wanna do. Jesus hung out with unbeliever and sinners, unless he didn’t. I do not, I can not really tell, he himself was called a winebibber and glutton. Some consider overweight people aren’t able to have a relationship with God because all they do is eat all day… I don’t know, I don’t get it. I might have trouble speaking or making small conversations with a transgender who also works within the company I work, but I still try to be respectful and allow the spirit to come forward. To just cut oneself off from the world all together cause of said unbelievers, would mean not sharing any light with the darkness which could be consumed by that light. Which is important to think about.

You are attempting to push a doctrine contrary to what Jesus taught.

What do you mean about this? What doctrine of Jesus are you referring to? Yeshua taught to have faith in him and believe in to the one whom sent him, and to understand that this life is but for a moment, which we die and pass away from. Like petals set a flame by a match; a fading of from a child to a grown up young adolescent all the way up to being a grown man, deciding to do whatever you wanna do be that between you and Yahweh, and it’s not such a big collective as though one group is better than the others. There was only one bride which was saved from the one time experience which was the last days to the last day of it all, which their age and the arrangement of before was transformed by the second covenant.

Love everyone!
No.

Oh lord, let the homeless bum porno addict it bathed in 6 days methed out soul…. Die and in fire and in a hole… what a great premise to go by, in my own in opinion because how mean doesn’t that seem to be?

 

[MatthewG]

I don't love Hamas. Do you? If you say yes,you love those who set babies afire.

I don't love serial killers. Do you?

I love human beings who have made mistakes… I am not offended by a person who tells me they are a sexual predator. The only problem that will come for them is a police visit if they have a child over there when they are not suppose to be there and do not belong in the hands of someone who could harm them at all.

I believe Jesus died for crazy, selfish human beings, for all in love to his Father. A selfless person. To be selfish is to live in a locked closet. Never sharing. Jesus lived openly and the only ones he was hardest on was the Pharisees and Sadducess. Jesus lived willingly doing Gods will, by choosing to… and while in regard to this, Israel put him to death. Our sins also put his death, cause it’s all the same of the flesh.

“The whole law is made complete in this one command: “Love your neighbor the same as you love yourself.” If you continue hurting each other and tearing each other apart, be careful, or you will completely destroy each other.

The wrong things the sinful self does are clear: committing sexual sin, being morally bad, doing all kinds of shameful things, worshiping false gods, taking part in witchcraft, hating people, causing trouble, being jealous, angry or selfish, causing people to argue and divide into separate groups, being filled with envy, getting drunk, having wild parties, and doing other things like this. I warn you now as I warned you before: The people who do these things will not have a part in God’s kingdom.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5‬:‭14‬-‭15‬, ‭19‬-‭21‬ ‭ERV‬‬

You think we're suppose to love cults that lead people to Hell.

I think your suppose to live and worship Yahweh in spirit and truth and to do so is as I am sharing with you this knowledge is loving. Even if you do not consider any of it, this has took a moment of time.

Does God love those who do this?
Does Hell exist?

Hell passes away.

“Then I saw a large white throne. I saw the one who was sitting on the throne. Earth and sky ran away from him and disappeared. And I saw those who had died, great and small, standing before the throne. Some books were opened. And another book was opened—the book of life. The people were judged by what they had done, which is written in the books. The sea gave up the dead who were in it. Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them. All these people were judged by what they had done. And Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This lake of fire is the second death. And anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20‬:‭11‬-‭15‬ ‭ERV‬‬

Then you have a whole new scene after going to chapter 21 verse 1.

Whatever you believe this means is up to you I’m just sharing you where hell does pass away, if you tell me it does not; that would be wrong.

However you may insist that this has not happened, you are more than obliged to disagree with everything presented here in that none of it has come to fruition. And with that response I would say “I understand.”

Is Hell the abode reflecting God's love? And those he loves?

Hell was a place where Abraham’s bosom, and the prisoners on the other side where held. Because of sin not being paid for yet. While I imagine the paradise was a bit better and the other was a very wanting place, they all were souls collectively here. They are dumped out. That is why my friend, Revelation is named how it is. It used to be a scary named, but all it means is revealing, unveiling, Jesus shows you thinks which God shows him, and we get to read what happens upon Israel and the wrap of the entire age which was spoke by Jesus on the mount of Olives.

You think to teach a doctrine not even God upholds?

I don’t know what you’re talking about. Not love people. We have jails for criminals just as the image of Paradise and Prison, in Abraham Bosom, freedom and jail. Now all those who were there were given their resurrection bodies which are spiritual, some going through the fire and some avoiding it all together, there is also those who reside outside of the gates of the new Heavenly Jerusalem which those who were believers went within the walls, of this spiritual place where the gates never close.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Hello again friend,

I’m just asking if it would not be a good thing to define how love is revealed to be expressed, if a person doesn’t know them. They do not know them. If they matter or not to them, is also determining on what they suggest is reality or what is not reality.

He taught spiritual things, and truth which makes one free.

Mark 4:13 And He said to them, “Do you not understand this parable? How will you understand all the parables?

John 6:63
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

John 14:5-8
“Thomas said, “Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?” Jesus answered, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. The only way to the Father is through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father too. But now you know the Father. You have seen him.” Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father. That is all we need.””
‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭5‬-‭8‬ ‭ERV‬‬



God through Jesus did call them.

“As Jesus was walking by Lake Galilee, he saw two brothers, Simon (called Peter) and Simon’s brother Andrew. These brothers were fishermen, and they were fishing in the lake with a net. Jesus said to them, “Come, follow me, and I will make you a different kind of fishermen. You will bring in people, not fish.” Simon and Andrew immediately left their nets and followed him. Jesus continued walking by Lake Galilee. He saw two other brothers, James and John, the sons of Zebedee. They were in a boat with their father Zebedee. They were preparing their nets to catch fish. Jesus told the brothers to come with him. So they immediately left the boat and their father, and they followed Jesus.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭4‬:‭18‬-‭22‬ ‭ERV‬‬

They were called by God among them, Emmanuel, through Yeshua. I do not deny those were the very chosen apostles, along with Paul, whom were personally taught by the Lord Jesus Christ and are in charge of a bride which was governed over by the Apostles of Jesus Christ.

Today God, calls to all. By and through that Bride, and the Spirit.

“The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” Everyone who hears this should also say, “Come!” All who are thirsty may come; they can have the water of life as a free gift if they want it.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22‬:‭17‬ ‭ERV‬‬


I do not personally believe that the book of life ever pertained to the gentiles. I believe that book of life is concerning the genealogy, of Israel which would be done away with… I think… I don’t remember if it’s mentioned in revelation 21,22. I would have to take time to go and read it again.

I don’t believe in predestination, in the sense of God picking in choosing. The predestined where those people in the Bible who are be written to and also dying and being murderer for their faith. However many people deem the people who were wrote to in the Bible, are inferior and never consider them at all, which to me is shameful, in regards of the first ones whom experienced the Lord Yeshua, and then his return with the destruction of the world know to the Jews, whom were all killed, and the pure in Christ bride was gathered. Killing off all 12 tribes in my opinion today. Therefore the book of life pertained to them according to their own generations which had came and went since the beginning of Adam and Eve and this ending of the an age. Material religion done.

God did dislike, Esau. He still blessed him in his life though. Esau was the one who made his own choices to do what he did. Just like God blessed Cain even though he killed Abel. The elect of God would the be the first century bride which is experienced great tribulation and the great and dreadful day of the LORD came to pass as promised. This is something I personally believe. However you are free to disagree with anything which is presented and suggest I am wrong on these things. God dislikes me for probably disliking this coworker at work but I told God I dislike the guy already in understanding that he understands and gets that is frustrating and he wants to continue in peace and understanding and not murdering and giving in the abusive words and harming a person by downgrading them.

You are more than free to do whatever you wanna do. Jesus hung out with unbeliever and sinners, unless he didn’t. I do not, I can not really tell, he himself was called a winebibber and glutton. Some consider overweight people aren’t able to have a relationship with God because all they do is eat all day… I don’t know, I don’t get it. I might have trouble speaking or making small conversations with a transgender who also works within the company I work, but I still try to be respectful and allow the spirit to come forward. To just cut oneself off from the world all together cause of said unbelievers, would mean not sharing any light with the darkness which could be consumed by that light. Which is important to think about.

What do you mean about this? What doctrine of Jesus are you referring to? Yeshua taught to have faith in him and believe in to the one whom sent him, and to understand that this life is but for a moment, which we die and pass away from. Like petals set a flame by a match; a fading of from a child to a grown up young adolescent all the way up to being a grown man, deciding to do whatever you wanna do be that between you and Yahweh, and it’s not such a big collective as though one group is better than the others. There was only one bride which was saved from the one time experience which was the last days to the last day of it all, which their age and the arrangement of before was transformed by the second covenant.

Now I recall your doctrine.
Thanks for the chat.

Oh lord, let the homeless bum porno addict it bathed in 6 days methed out soul…. Die and in fire and in a hole… what a great premise to go by,

Die without Christ? Yes,Hell is their destination.

in my own in opinion because how mean doesn’t that seem to be?

Judge God for that. And later,ask him when you are face to face.

God? Why did you say those who die unsaved go to Hell?
Why did you come here as Emmanuel,also called Jesus,to tell us that? And then die to insure those who believe don't suffer Hell.

 

[MatthewG]

Now I recall your doctrine.
Thanks for the chat.

You have to consider all of it what is being shared to understand it.

Die without Christ? Yes,Hell is their destination.

Not if hell is done away with. Did you see where I had shared concerning this matter? Now, if hell has not been done away with; there are people still held in that place and have not been dumped out of that place which holds all the souls which had died since the beginning of time, and angels which are chained, for judgment day and the white throne and things concerning it have not yet been completed or fulfilled. Yes people would still be separated from God until judgment day. However the judgment that pertains to the white throne, for me concern Israel. And because of this, I see everything from revelation 20 end. Revealing a new heavens and earth where there is no more sea, which I believe is talking about the brazen sea, which was a distinction of saying when Israel had been demolished and the judgement of all things were fulfilled including the white throne and Satan, etc. Because the brazen sea in the temple and the temple itself and the general “book of life” genealogy and the end to sacrificing animals, and the priesthood, all was destroyed and melted down and even if Israel built a temple today they wouldn’t know exactly where the original stood. The wailing wall is something that has remained from the Roman army.

Judge God for that. And later,ask him when you are face to face.

God shows his anger at sin, through the Old Testament. Did you ever see this through your reading? Yahweh even sent bears to take out a group of apparently terribly bad children. I’m okay with that… it was for a justifying reason. They went to the place you call hell. Separated from God, good and bad both were. Jesus went to this place. He travels from the paradise to the prison, crossing the “gap” which he spoke a parable about, concerning the state of the dead… did you know that before? God is no longer angry at sin anymore, we know sin hurts people. When we hate people, at rudely, talk bad thoughts about them, and wish death upon them. God desires to renew people’s from these thought in renewing of the mind. From the flesh to the spiritual ways of life, and to not hate, act rudely, etc… in Christ. God is calling to all people like I shared with you.

God? Why did you say those who die unsaved go to Hell?

Oh is that what you want to me to ask Yahweh? Lol. Yahweh knows I use to believe people went to hell… he is my God and my Lord is Christ, very thankful to be able to share that he adopts all who come to him, in faith. He will give them his spirit and fill their heart with cadences of love which are from Him, as they openly have their relationship with God who loves them where they are at. Doesn’t matter if they are a stripper at a dance bar, or a meth addict on the street, or a person who is got all things good for him, God gives his spirit to those who are faithful. Because without faith, you’ll never please God.

Why did you come here as Emmanuel,also called Jesus,to tell us that? And then die to insure those who believe don't suffer Hell.

Oh is this what you want me to ask Yahweh? Will he mysteriously tell me, why? Or can I go and read the Bible and also do some research and not be so lazy in not being able to know. That is a choice every individual must make, because group certainty doesn’t mean much for a dead faith, anyway. The Bible has answers and sometimes explanations to understand the answers but the Spirit is needed. The Holy Spirit of God.



No one has to believe anything I shared here and may freely disagree on any point it will not change what I’ve have learned and shared here. Why are faithless people claimed to be outside of the gates of the city in heaven?

 

[Aunty Jane]

Reality is what Jesus taught as The Word made flesh who dwelt among us.

That is exactly who the Bible says Jesus is….”the Word” (God’s spokesman) who spoke God’s words to others as I think was highlighted from another post. He dwelt among the human race as a fellow human, albeit free from sin, but 100% mortal human or else he could not have offered his life for ours.
Immortals cannot die.

Jesus said,no one comes to the Father unless God calls them. God wrote those would be called by name in the Lambs Book of Eternal Life before the creation, foundation,of the world.

Actually that was from the foundation of the human race descended from the ones who introduced sin into all their children’s DNA. At creation there was no need of a savior until sin actually took place. Only then did God implement a plan of action to redeem Adam’s children but not until they had learned all about where sin can take us…..soon all will be revealed, and we will be shocked at the depths of depravity that will be uncovered….what God has been seeing all along.…”the works of the devil” that Christ was to ”break up”. (1 John 3:8)

God hated Esau. If God loved everyone The Elect of God would be all people everywhere. And Universal Salvation would be Gospel.

True, but truth be known, God knew the condition of Esau’s heart…..he did not value spiritual things like his brother Jacob. But God hates no man….it’s the sin he hates and gives everyone an opportunity to turn around and come to him….like Israel when she left her God to pursue the worship of other gods, he pleaded with them to come back to him. (Mal 3:6-7)

We are to have nothing to do with unbelievers. Or,those who reject the Gospel.

Yet we have to ask…what is “the gospel”? It seems like there are different opinions about what that “good news” is exactly…..

And what is an “unbeliever” if those who opposed Jesus were “believers“ in their own eyes? They claimed to worship the God who sent Jesus…..but did they?

You are attempting to push a doctrine contrary to what Jesus taught.

Love everyone!
No.

We are to love even our enemies as Jesus said (Matt 5:43-44)…..so, what is this “love” and how do we express it?
”Agape” is one of four different words in Greek for “love”….each with their own definition, making our one word look rather inadequate. e.g. the “love” in love songs is romantic love, which is not the love of a mother or father for their child….or of siblings or other family members for each other. The “love” we have for our spiritual family is different to the love we have for our own flesh and blood.

“Agape“ is a love based on principle, not feelings. You can “love“ someone in the sense of not allowing yourself to hate them, even under provocation. It’s the love Jesus expressed for the Roman soldiers who drove the nails into his flesh….they were just following orders, not involved at all with feelings of compassion or regret for the pain they were inflicting….Jesus asked God to forgive them because ‘they did not know what they were doing’.

We are to show love by viewing others as potential brothers and sisters, taking the Kingdom message to all who will listen…..like Jesus and his apostles did. (Matt 10:11-14) Many of those would have supported their religious leaders in condoning Christ’s murder.…..did they know what they were doing when they cursed themselves and their children with his blood? (Matt 27:25)
I imagine that they felt similar feelings to what you have expressed here towards those you consider to be members of a cult.… a word with sinister meaning today.

But after Jesus’ death and resurrection, on seeing the proof of God’s holy spirit at Pentecost, Peter and the other apostles hammered home exactly what had happened with regard to Jesus’ death…..

Acts 2:36-41….
”Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.” Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.” For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.“ (ESV)

So Peter’s words struck a cord with these ones as they were now convinced that Jesus was the Christ, and they regretted the fact that they doubted him……three thousand people presented themselves for baptism that day.

I don't love Hamas. Do you? If you say yes,you love those who set babies afire.

I don't love serial killers. Do you?

You think we're suppose to love cults that lead people to Hell.

Does God love those who do this?
Does Hell exist?

Is Hell the abode reflecting God's love? And those he loves?

You think to teach a doctrine not even God upholds?

If you are familiar with the story of Manasseh, you would know that no one is is beyond God’s forgiveness if they simply abandon their former course, repent and become a new person in following the teachings of God through his spokesman, Jesus.

As for the existence of Christendom’s “hell”…there is no such place in the Bible’s teachings.
The very thought of God torturing people endlessly in flames, is insulting to him and to those who know that he would never do something like that. (Jer 7:31)
Some research is required to find out what Jesus said and how the Jews understood his illustrations. Find out what “Gehenna” meant to a first century Jew, and you will see that there is no hell of eternal torment.
There is only everlasting life…or everlasting death…nothing more.

 

[BlessedPeace]

You have to consider all of it what is being shared to understand it.

Oh, I have. Which is why I said,I remember your doctrine now.

Not if hell is done away with. Did you see where I had shared concerning this matter?

As I said, I'm aware of your doctrine.

Now, if hell has not been done away with; there are people still held in that place and have not been dumped out of that place which holds all the souls which had died since the beginning of time, and angels which are chained, for judgment day and the white throne and things concerning it have not yet been completed or fulfilled. Yes people would still be separated from God until judgment day. However the judgment that pertains to the white throne, for me concern Israel. And because of this, I see everything from revelation 20 end. Revealing a new heavens and earth where there is no more sea, which I believe is talking about the brazen sea, which was a distinction of saying when Israel had been demolished and the judgement of all things were fulfilled including the white throne and Satan, etc. Because the brazen sea in the temple and the temple itself and the general “book of life” genealogy and the end to sacrificing animals, and the priesthood, all was destroyed and melted down and even if Israel built a temple today they wouldn’t know exactly where the original stood. The wailing wall is something that has remained from the Roman army.

As I sad, I am familiar with your doctrine.

God shows his anger at sin, through the Old Testament. Did you ever see this through your reading?

Hard to miss.

Yahweh even sent bears to take out a group of apparently terribly bad children. I’m okay with that… it was for a justifying reason.

Was it?
What justifies that?

They went to the place you call hell. Separated from God, good and bad both were. Jesus went to this place. He travels from the paradise to the prison, crossing the “gap” which he spoke a parable about, concerning the state of the dead… did you know that before?

It is said Yeshua visited Sheol.

God is no longer angry at sin anymore,

Really?Does sin still exist?

How now does God feel about sin now when he is no longer angry at it ?

we know sin hurts people. When we hate people, at rudely, talk bad thoughts about them, and wish death upon them. God desires to renew people’s from these thought in renewing of the mind. From the flesh to the spiritual ways of life, and to not hate, act rudely, etc… in Christ. God is calling to all people like I shared with you.

If he's no longer angry at sin and He'll is done away with,who is there to call?

Oh is that what you want to me to ask Yahweh? Lol. Yahweh knows I use to believe people went to hell…

Where do they go instead?

he is my God and my Lord is Christ, very thankful to be able to share that he adopts all who come to him, in faith.

And those who don't? When he's called all people ?
For what? When he's not angry about sin anymore and He'll is done away.

What's the need to come to him in faith? For what? When Hell is done away and sin isn't an anger issue for God anymore.

He will give them his spirit and fill their heart with cadences of love which are from Him, as they openly have their relationship with God who loves them where they are at. Doesn’t matter if they are a stripper at a dance bar, or a meth addict on the street, or a person who is got all things good for him, God gives his spirit to those who are faithful. Because without faith, you’ll never please God.

So they don't have to repent since sin doesn't anger God anymore.

Oh is this what you want me to ask Yahweh? Will he mysteriously tell me, why?

I'm sure he will be quite direct in his answer.

Or can I go and read the Bible and also do some research and not be so lazy in not being able to know.

Oh, I don't think reading the Bible is your issue.
While implying the Bible doesn't provide full right knowledge so to require further research, is certainly not what one would call lazy.

That is a choice every individual must make, because group certainty doesn’t mean much for a dead faith, anyway. The Bible has answers and sometimes explanations to understand the answers but the Spirit is needed. The Holy Spirit of God.

He should have thought of that when thinking to inspire people to take his dictation.

No one has to believe anything I shared here and may freely disagree on any point it will not change what I’ve have learned and shared here.

I have no doubt. Nor was it my intention to change your mind.

Why are faithless people claimed to be outside of the gates of the city in heaven?

God knows.

 

[Rita]

Perhaps best to stick to the OP xx

 

[Rita]

Years ago I was part of an evangelical church and they were totally against meeting with the local Roman Catholic Church.( actually they were totally against a lot of things !! ) I went along with this for many years. Then I started working with the children’s work at the Methodist church, we had decided to have a joint summer club. The Evangelical church were involved. Just before the event they found out that a Roman Catholic lady was also involved, and pulled out, I didn’t, in fact I was horrified. This lady had such a sweet Christian nature , loved Jesus and I really got on well with her.
Many years later , about a year ago now, someone from the evangelical church mentioned that a lovely lady they had come to know had asked after me and would I get in contact with her, turned out to be this Roman Catholic lady - so I relayed to the person ‘ you do realise this was the lady and reason why you pulled out of the children work all those years ago ‘ the phone just went silent.

I don’t agree with many things that are taught within the RC church but I classed this lady as a friend and weighed her up on her attitudes , love for Jesus and her whole attitude to others ect.

 

[Duck Muscles]

To my knowledge global ecumenism is not taught in the Bible.
While unity among fellow Christians is,to a point.

That point as I see it then becomes about discernment. What if those professing Christ actually deny certain fundamentals of the faith?

 

[Rita]

To my knowledge global ecumenism is not taught in the Bible.
While unity among fellow Christians is,to a point.

That point as I see it then becomes about discernment. What if those professing Christ actually deny certain fundamentals of the faith?

This wasn’t about ecumenism, it was about working together for the children in a village for a summer event.
The nature of this thread is about how to come alongside others, our attitudes towards others, how we treat one another.

 

[MatthewG]

@BlessedPeace thank you for sharing your questions. I won’t be sufficient in answering your questions. And I hope you all the best. I’m glad I got to share the reason why I believe it’s important to love people. As you shared though we are not to love people. Who do I believe? Others, Myself or Jesus? Jesus taught us to love others.

 

[MatthewG]

To my knowledge global ecumenism is not taught in the Bible.

The world and God are separate (though reconciled by the payment of sin.) But we live in a world where we only become separated from it in death (rising in new spiritual life.). Paul became to those under the law as under the law and those no under the law as one not under the law. Either way, he did his best to in sharing the truth of the Lord Jesus Christ and his death burial and resurrection.

“I am free. I belong to no other person, but I make myself a slave to everyone. I do this to help save as many people as I can. To the Jews I became like a Jew so that I could help save Jews. I myself am not ruled by the law, but to those who are ruled by the law I became like someone who is ruled by the law. I did this to help save those who are ruled by the law. To those who are without the law I became like someone who is without the law. I did this to help save those who are without the law. (But really, I am not without God’s law—I am ruled by the law of Christ.) To those who are weak, I became weak so that I could help save them. I have become all things to all people. I did this so that I could save people in any way possible. I do all this to make the Good News known. I do it so that I can share in the blessings of the Good News.”

‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭9‬:‭19‬-‭23‬ ‭ERV‬‬

While unity among fellow Christians is,to a point.

Paul wrote to the Corinthians about not abandoning those of the world but that the one who sleeps with his step mom and is boasting about it should be put to shame? Or something like that. But in the second letter Paul writes to forgive him after a period of time.

“I don’t want to believe what I am hearing—that there is sexual sin among you. And it is such a bad kind of sexual sin that even those who have never known God don’t allow it. People say that a man there has his father’s wife. And still you are proud of yourselves! You should have been filled with sadness. And the man who committed that sin should be put out of your group. I cannot be there with you in person, but I am with you in spirit. And I have already judged the man who did this. I judged him the same as I would if I were really there. Come together in the name of our Lord Jesus. I will be with you in spirit, and you will have the power of our Lord Jesus with you. Then turn this man over to Satan. His sinful self has to be destroyed so that his spirit will be saved on the day when the Lord comes again. Your proud talk is not good. You know the saying, “Just a little yeast makes the whole batch of dough rise.” Take out all the old yeast, so that you will be a new batch of dough. You really are bread without yeast—Passover bread. Yes, Christ our Passover Lamb has already been killed. So let us eat our Passover meal, but not with the bread that has the old yeast, the yeast of sin and wrongdoing. But let us eat the bread that has no yeast. This is the bread of goodness and truth.”

‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭5‬:‭1‬-‭8‬ ‭ERV‬‬

“Someone in your group has caused sadness—not to me, but to all of you. I mean he has caused sadness to all in some way. (I don’t want to make it sound worse than it really is.) The punishment that most of your group gave him is enough for him. But now you should forgive him and encourage him. This will keep him from having too much sadness and giving up completely. So I beg you to show him that you love him. This is why I wrote to you. I wanted to test you and see if you obey in everything. If you forgive someone, then I also forgive them. And what I have forgiven—if I had anything to forgive—I forgave it for you, and Christ was with me. I did this so that Satan would not win anything from us. We know very well what his plans are.”

‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭2‬:‭5‬-‭11‬ ‭ERV‬‬

That point as I see it then becomes about discernment. What if those professing Christ actually deny certain fundamentals of the faith?

Why can’t a person love a professed faithless person? Who said that one is not able to do so? Jesus hung around and ate with sinners.

“One of the teachers of the law came to Jesus. He heard Jesus arguing with the Sadducees and the Pharisees. He saw that Jesus gave good answers to their questions. So he asked him, “Which of the commands is the most important?” Jesus answered, “The most important command is this: ‘People of Israel, listen! The Lord our God is the only Lord. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind, and all your strength.’ The second most important command is this: ‘Love your neighbor the same as you love yourself.’ These two commands are the most important.” The man answered, “That was a good answer, Teacher. You are right in saying that God is the only Lord and that there is no other God. And you must love God with all your heart, all your mind, and all your strength. And you must love others the same as you love yourself. These commands are more important than all the animals and sacrifices we offer to God.” Jesus saw that the man answered him wisely. So he said to him, “You are close to God’s kingdom.” And after that time, no one was brave enough to ask Jesus any more questions.”

‭‭Mark‬ ‭12‬:‭28‬-‭34‬ ‭ERV‬‬

“Later that day, Jesus and his followers ate at Levi’s house. There were also many tax collectors and others with bad reputations eating with them. (There were many of these people who followed Jesus.) When some teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw Jesus eating with such bad people, they asked his followers, “Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?” When Jesus heard this, he said to them, “It is the sick people who need a doctor, not those who are healthy. I did not come to invite good people. I came to invite sinners.””

‭‭Mark‬ ‭2‬:‭15‬-‭17‬ ‭ERV‬‬

“The whole law is made complete in this one command: “Love your neighbor the same as you love yourself.” If you continue hurting each other and tearing each other apart, be careful, or you will completely destroy each other.”

‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5‬:‭14‬-‭15‬ ‭ERV‬‬

Most notably the most fundamental given teaching is always about faithfulness and love, including forgiveness…

Does other doctrines seen differently really matter? Love must be defined and understood by the ready reader who desires to learn how we are to live, in Christ and allow Gods love to move in and through us to others by the Holy Spirit of God given to you, and others.

“I may speak in different languages, whether human or even of angels. But if I don’t have love, I am only a noisy bell or a ringing cymbal. I may have the gift of prophecy, I may understand all secrets and know everything there is to know, and I may have faith so great that I can move mountains. But even with all this, if I don’t have love, I am nothing. I may give away everything I have to help others, and I may even give my body as an offering to be burned. But I gain nothing by doing all this if I don’t have love. Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous, it does not brag, and it is not proud. Love is not rude, it is not selfish, and it cannot be made angry easily. Love does not remember wrongs done against it. Love is never happy when others do wrong, but it is always happy with the truth. Love never gives up on people. It never stops trusting, never loses hope, and never quits. Love will never end. But all those gifts will come to an end—even the gift of prophecy, the gift of speaking in different kinds of languages, and the gift of knowledge. These will all end because this knowledge and these prophecies we have are not complete. But when perfection comes, the things that are not complete will end. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, and I made plans like a child. When I became a man, I stopped those childish ways. It is the same with us. Now we see God as if we are looking at a reflection in a mirror. But then, in the future, we will see him right before our eyes. Now I know only a part, but at that time I will know fully, as God has known me. So these three things continue: faith, hope, and love. And the greatest of these is love.”

‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13‬:‭1‬-‭13‬ ‭ERV‬‬

 

[MatthewG]

We are not to judge our fellow man in his choices, but to judge what is truth from God’s word. Stating our beliefs here even if they are not accepted by many, it is still giving people a wider view that they may have ever entertained. Our choices determine our eternal future.

That’s to me Aunty, is on an individual basis, of a person faith to God. It’s not a big collective people so believe it is. All people realize they are gonna die. It’s natural. They either chose to live for God or not, and God weights all of a persons life out and is given their habitat (spiritual body) they will reside in, be it condemned, or of life or better than the normal.

 

[MatthewG]

Years ago I was part of an evangelical church and they were totally against meeting with the local Roman Catholic Church.( actually they were totally against a lot of things !! ) I went along with this for many years. Then I started working with the children’s work at the Methodist church, we had decided to have a joint summer club. The Evangelical church were involved. Just before the event they found out that a Roman Catholic lady was also involved, and pulled out, I didn’t, in fact I was horrified. This lady had such a sweet Christian nature , loved Jesus and I really got on well with her.
Many years later , about a year ago now, someone from the evangelical church mentioned that a lovely lady they had come to know had asked after me and would I get in contact with her, turned out to be this Roman Catholic lady - so I relayed to the person ‘ you do realise this was the lady and reason why you pulled out of the children work all those years ago ‘ the phone just went silent.

Rita. Wow.

I don’t agree with many things that are taught within the RC church but I classed this lady as a friend and weighed her up on her attitudes , love for Jesus and her whole attitude to others ect.

Is that how one is able to discern whether a
Person is of their flesh or of the Lord Yeshua? By the Holy Spirit of God coming by and through them?

 

[amadeus]

We should always treat one another with dignity, because each one of us is made in the image and likeness of God.

Love is not an emotion, stomach butterflies, or a privately held conviction. Love is willing the good of the other, as other. Period. No strings attached. If we love someone, we want their good for them. That's all.

We are our brothers keeper. If we see a brother in error, then we have a moral obligation to offer him the truth, albeit in the most effective way for that person. For most people, this will be kindly.

Aye... and to presume the worst about another person simply because the label they bear is not very Christ-like. What did the apostle Paul mean by this?

Php 2:3

Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself.

 

[Rita]

Rita. Wow.

Is that how one is able to discern whether a
Person is of their flesh or of the Lord Yeshua? By the Holy Spirit of God coming by and through them?

Good question , but I am not so sure I even considered that at the time. I have often wondered if being the only Christian in my family, including being married to one, enabled me to come alongside people who didn’t share my faith or the theology that went along with it……..I had to find ways to deal with the difference.

 

[MatthewG]

Good question , but I am not so sure I even considered that at the time. I have often wondered if being the only Christian in my family, including being married to one, enabled me to come alongside people who didn’t share my faith or the theology that went along with it……..I had to find ways to deal with the difference.

That answer brings a smile to my face friend. With so many, distinctive religious sections of “Christianity,” is diverse. Greek Orthodox, Catholic, Jehovah Witness (though not considered Christian - teach the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus,) Mormonism (view side note on JW,) Ba’hai Faith, Muslim (though whether a person of the religion believes Jesus raised or not it up for their confession of their heart concerning things of this matter,) trying to think of something more to add maybe the difference in Charasmatic, or those who believe they need to keep the sabbath day holy (all days should be kept in for Gods will though sometimes perhaps we choose a different route that day,) or Church of Christ, or Methodist Church, etc…. All of them are able to access to the Bible for the most part let alone the creation around them to look at and consider something Higher than themselves and seek for that one whom from the heart they believe is God and they love him and they love others.

While one can look on YouTube and watch 1,000 hours of different views, personally held views, views held by organizations, debates on many issues and topics even concerning the Bible, all that does it lead to distraction from the matter of our hearts. Are people truly suppose to love Yahweh, and love him first above all else? And love their neighbor (you close by me) as their self? And that to love oneself is to share knowledge in order to grant others a reminder or something new to think on, especially concerning the things of Yahweh, and his son Yeshua!

I’ve been told by an elderly man “boy I see the Holy Spirit in you” … this was very different from bodies dropping on the floor at the charismatic church climbing the ladder to heaven and running around. While I remember this as a young boy, and believing I seen the Virgin Mary or perhaps something ghost like then it was the Holy Spirit none the less, perhaps it was by chance and though I know we can’t see spiritual things the notion was made known though for a long time I never sough to know God or Jesus, and that lead me to be a very hateful, resentful person.

It was only Jesus who changed my heart though notions of the old resurrection sometimes. And my flesh gets me when I should reside back in Christ at peace, rest, understanding I do not need to be in control, but allow the freedom and knowing that the ability to choose is there. Encouragement and support is always needed, and if these things where expressed in what you had witness, I would believe most certainly is it important for us to never condemn anyone… while organized doctrine of men can by default set a wrong impression on what may be taught, all of us have the ability to go and see and look at the Bible for ourselves, and read and study it to find out what is true. So it’s important also to let no one deceive oneself, in what is truth they, may choose to see differently.

It’s dependent on the child, son or daughter of God to abide in Yeshua. Be at peace with all men, no one has any right to condemn another human being no matter what they have done, period. Teaching them the lesson to learn in how to understand that people who don’t believe are condemned in their own mind already. It’s our responsibility as believers in Yeshua whom was risen again by the Holy Spirit of God and resides within you and many others, is to share light in a dark world which has been reconciled back to God.