So you are inconsistent, you said all are reconciled to God, all are saved by Jesus Death. Now you imply they can lose that salvation /reconciliation accomplished by Christs Death if they dont receive it, correct ?
How Jesus has ALREADY Reconciled Us and the World unto God.
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How many times do I have to say this? "Nothing is ours until it is received by faith" John 1:12.
Right, thats what you said, in addition to saying all mankind is saved and reconciled to God by His death. So what happens to their being saved and reconciled if they dont receive it ? What happens to it ?
Pate
So you teach universalism that all are reconciled/saved, then you teach that one can lose their reconciliation/salvation if they dont receive it. Thats a sure sign of a false teacher, who teaches a yah and nay gospel
So you teach universalism that all are reconciled/saved, then you teach that one can lose their reconciliation/salvation if they dont receive it. Thats a sure sign of a false teacher, who teaches a yah and nay gospel
Your problem is not with me. Your problem is with the Bible. The Bible plainly teaches that the whole world has been reconciled unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19. Your Calvinist God will not let you believe the Bible.
You have the problem, teaching universalism out of one side of your mouth, and loss of salvation out the other side. You teach man can undo what Christ did.
As long as you hold to Calvinism you will never have the truth. Calvinism is anti-Gospel and anti-Christ. If you don't renounce it and trust in Christ alone, you will never see heaven. You have a corrupted view of God and his Son Jesus Christ that is of the devil.
You hold to universalism and one can lose their salvation at the same time, thats mass confusion. Teaching that man can undo what Jesus did.
You are in denial of the scriptures. Your Calvinist God has blinded you to the scriptures. We have ALREADY been reconciled unto God.
"God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and has committed unto us the word of reconciliation" 2 Corinthians 5:19.
You dont know which lie to tell, universalism or losing ones salvation, so you teach them both, a sure sign of a false witness
Lambano
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Let's go to the next verse:
20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. (2 Corinthians 5:20)
"Reconciliation" is the restoration of relationship. Forgiveness for the actions that broke the relationship is a prerequisite for restoration. but relationships take two parties. God has done His part. So, Paul describes his evangelistic vocation as begging others to be reconciled to God.
So Gods part wasnt enough to effect full complete reconciliation of all parties involved ?
There are two sides to a reconciliation. God's side and our side. God is extending his hand to humanity to be reconciled unto him. Those that refuse to accept the offer of reconciliation are lost.
So Gods part wasnt enough to effect full complete reconciliation of all parties involved ? Yes or No
Lambano
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God is sovereign. He sovereignly chooses His goals and the methods He chooses to accomplish those goals. We maintain that for reasons God sovereignly chose, a response from Man is required to effect reconciliation between Man and God. Hence Paul describes his vocation as:
20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. (2 Corinthians 5:20)
This is God's sovereign choice. Period.
The false teaching of one sided Reconciliation !
Many today in organized, apostate false religion, whether from church going folk or folk who have separated themselves from organized religion unto their own form of apostasy, they are liars when they tell us that Christ's Death that effects Reconciliation to God for those He died for Rom 5:10, that its only one sided ! For the Truth of the matter is that His Death effects both, for it reconciles God to man and man to God, because man by nature are at enmity to God, yet it reconciles them to God from their estrangement causing them a return to God, much like what happened with the prodigal son when he said Lk 15 :18,20
18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
And he arose , and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off , his father saw him, and had compassion , and ran , and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
Now his returning back to his Father is a beautiful picture of what the Death of Christ alone accomplished and effected upon all those He died for 1 Pet 2:24-25
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
The word returned epistrephō is in the passive voice[caused to turn back or bring back], which means the subject is being acted upon, hence being returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of their soul.
This is the fruitful effect of Christ having bare their sins, and healing them thereby, effecting a reconciliation back to God.
Many today in organized, apostate false religion, whether from church going folk or folk who have separated themselves from organized religion unto their own form of apostasy, they are liars when they tell us that Christ's Death that effects Reconciliation to God for those He died for Rom 5:10, that its only one sided ! For the Truth of the matter is that His Death effects both, for it reconciles God to man and man to God, because man by nature are at enmity to God, yet it reconciles them to God from their estrangement causing them a return to God, much like what happened with the prodigal son when he said Lk 15 :18,20
18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
And he arose , and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off , his father saw him, and had compassion , and ran , and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
Now his returning back to his Father is a beautiful picture of what the Death of Christ alone accomplished and effected upon all those He died for 1 Pet 2:24-25
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
The word returned epistrephō is in the passive voice[caused to turn back or bring back], which means the subject is being acted upon, hence being returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of their soul.
This is the fruitful effect of Christ having bare their sins, and healing them thereby, effecting a reconciliation back to God.
So Gods part wasnt enough to effect full complete reconciliation of all parties involved ? Yes or No
Lambano
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You are in denial of the fact that man has a free will. Adam did not lose his free will in the fall. What he lost was his relationship with God.
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