You teach that all men, individuals are saved by the death of Christ, dont lie,
Pate
This is universalism !
Then you turn around and say the reconciled/saved can lose it if they dont receive it, because its not theirs.
How Jesus has ALREADY Reconciled Us and the World unto God.
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Pate
This is universalism !
Then you turn around and say the reconciled/saved can lose it if they dont receive it, because its not theirs.
No, Salvation has been provided for EVERYONE by the doing and the dying of Jesus. This means that the law has been fulfilled and abolished and that all sin has been atoned for. What you believe about God and his Son Jesus Christ is what is going to send you to hell.
No, I am not changing my mind. If salvation has been provided for Everyone, then everyone is born saved. All that they have to do is receive what God has done for them in Jesus Christ. Jesus in our name and on our behalf fulfilled the law. Jesus in our name and on our behalf atoned for our sins and the sins of the whole world. We are complete in him, Colossians 2:10.
Then you continue in your doublemindness and false teaching. Teaching universalism and then arminanism that one can lose their salvation. A sure indication of a false teacher.
No born-again Christian can lose their salvation. Again, you insult God and his Son Jesus Christ with your heresies.
You said a saved person, a reconciled person by Christs Death will lose it if they dont accept it.
Your Calvinist doctrine makes the Gospel and Jesus Christ worthless. If God has predestinated all of humanity before the foundation of the world, then who needs Jesus and his Gospel?
Do you really believe that God wants predestinated sinners in heaven?
Behold
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Everyone is born with the opportunity to come to the Cross and receive forgiveness.
John 3:16
Until they do, they are :
Under God's Wrath...
John 3:36
So, it is true that Salvation is completed by Christ, but its not Imputed, is not RECEIVED by anyone.... until "Fatih comes by hearing" The Gospel, and the hearer gives their Faith in Christ to God.
God instantly accepts this, as 'FAITH is counted as Righteousness", and God gives them the "blood Atonement" and then the "new Birth".
THEN< they are SAVED.... "Born again".....and become "a new creation in Christ'.....but not until.
"Universal Salvation" ... just like Calvinism, is the Devil's Lie.
Right, nothing is ours until it is received by faith. This is why Paul said, "So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God (which is the Gospel) Romans 10:17.
Behold
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True.
Jesus said "IT" is finished ""., and that is our Salvation.
He died to offer it and rose again to prove it.
We receive it, by faith.
"justification by Faith".
"Grace through Faith".
The best part of the Gospel is that God now sees all that are his as perfect and complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10. Do you agree?
Behold
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Of course.
To be "in Christ" is to be "one with God" and that is to be born again, spiritually.
In Fact..
"As JESUS is.....so are the born again, in THIS world".... already.
This is why the NT tells us that we are in the world but not to be OF IT.. as we are not of it, as we are "seated in heavenly places".... right now.
We are literally just stuck down here, waiting to get our new body.
The way that I see it is that we are spiritually in Christ and Christ is in heaven, Colossians 3:3. Physically, we are waiting for the redemption of our unredeemed Adamic bodies, Romans 8:23.
So you teach a distorted view, that people are saved by the death of Christ and then lost. Thats false teaching all the way
This entire discussion is clouded by the false doctrine of Original Sin and the even worse doctrine of Total Depravity. We come into this world entirely free from sin. To say that we come into this world saved is true but perhaps not the best description. We are born into this world with a spirit formed in us by God. That spirit is alive, being free from any sin. Our spirit dies,, that is we become dead, in our trespasses and sins (Col 2:13). That is why we need to be reborn, i.e., regenerated, born again. With respect to Jesus' part in all of this, He has done everything that was needed for one, anyone, to be regenerated. He gave Himself as the ultimate sacrifice for the whole world. Hebrews 7:27 says (ESV)"He has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he offered up himself." He has no need to do it again. So in that sense, Jesus has indeed already reconciled us and the whole world unto God. But that is not the end of it. There is the need for the sinner, dead in his trespasses and sins, to be made alive again, that is, to be regenerated. He needs his spirit, dead in trespasses and sins, to be reborn. That happens when God forgives his sins. It turns out that when the sinner is reborn, he gets more than just having his sins forgiven; the Holy Spirit takes up residence in him, he receives the indwelling Holy Spirit. Being forgiven of his sins and being given the gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit is salvation.
I teach no such thing. Your Calvinist God has poisoned your mind so that you cannot know the truth.
One, such as a new born child, who has not sinned does not need to be saved. He is a child of God when born. He has a pure and alive spirit formed in him by God. Only when he sins, does he become lost and then needs to be saved.
Adam represented the whole human race. "Wherefore as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned" Romans 5:12. As Adam goes, so goes we. Being born again does not annihilate our old Adamic nature. It may suppress it, but it does not eliminate it. Paul still struggled with sin, Romans 7:7-25. However, because of the doing and the dying of Jesus God sees us as perfect and complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10.
King David said, "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me" Psalm 51:5.
All children are born saved until they reach the age of accountability, which varies with each child. After they become accountable for their sins they will either accept Christ as their savior, or they will reject Christ as their savior. I didn't become a Christian until I was in my 30's. I think that it was the last call.
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