How Jesus has ALREADY Reconciled Us and the World unto God.

[JBO]

Adam represented the whole human race. "Wherefore as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned" Romans 5:12. As Adam goes, so goes we. Being born again does not annihilate our old Adamic nature. It may suppress it, but it does not eliminate it. Paul still struggled with sin, Romans 7:7-25. However, because of the doing and the dying of Jesus God sees us as perfect and complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10.

Sin entered the world through Adam. That does not mean that Adam's sin entered the people of the world. Death, spiritual death, entered by Adam's sin. And death, spiritual death, passed upon all men, not because Adam sinned, but rather, because all men sinned.

God does not hold anyone accountable for another's sin. The soul who sins will die. Ezekiel devotes an entire chapter, chapter 18, to that truth.

Also read Colossians 2:11-13 to learn how 2:10 comes about.

 

[Lambano]

"The doctrine of Depravity is the one Christian dogma that is empirically verifiable." - G.K. Chesterton.

 

[Lambano]

My understanding of the doctrine of Original Sin is that we have inherited our "Bent" natures from Adam. And frankly, I ain't buyin' this bit that babies are born innocent; babies are about as self-centered as it gets. They want what they want when they want it, and they don't care if Mom and Dad need their sleep. Any love they have for their parents or siblings is purely transactional.

We have also inherited the "Stain" of Adam's sin. "Stain" is holiness language, and it reflects our unfitness to be in God's presence.

Probably one of our Catholic brothers or sisters could explain it better.

 

[Cyd]

My understanding of the doctrine of Original Sin is that we have inherited our "Bent" natures from Adam. And frankly, I ain't buyin' this bit that babies are born innocent; babies are about as self-centered as it gets. They want what they want when they want it, and they don't care if Mom and Dad need their sleep. Any love they have for their parents or siblings is purely transactional.

We have also inherited the "Stain" of Adam's sin. "Stain" is holiness language, and it reflects our unfitness to be in God's presence.

Probably one of our Catholic brothers or sisters could explain it better.

hahaha you are funny, but agreed and this what God said about us.
Gen 8:21 And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

 

[Robert Pate]

Sin entered the world through Adam. That does not mean that Adam's sin entered the people of the world. Death, spiritual death, entered by Adam's sin. And death, spiritual death, passed upon all men, not because Adam sinned, but rather, because all men sinned.

God does not hold anyone accountable for another's sin. The soul who sins will die. Ezekiel devotes an entire chapter, chapter 18, to that truth.

Also read Colossians 2:11-13 to learn how 2:10 comes about.

"For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous" Romans 5:19. The key word in this scripture is "Made". We don't become sinners; we are made sinners. Adam is our first father, we are all related to him, we all have his blood coursing through our veins. It is not our fault that we are sinners, its Adam's fault. We have inherited his sinful nature.

Just as we were lost by a representative (Adam) we shall also be saved by a representative (Christ). Jesus in our name and on our behalf fulfills all of the demands of God's law. Jesus in our name and on our behalf atones for our sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.

 

[brightfame52]

I teach no such thing. Your Calvinist God has poisoned your mind so that you cannot know the truth.

Yes you do, you said everyone is born reconciled to God and saved

Before we were born Jesus had ALREADY reconciled us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19.

Everyone is ALREADY born saved. Jesus in our name and on our behalf has ALREADY fulfilled every jot and tittle of the law.

Thats universalism

 

[brightfame52]

One, such as a new born child, who has not sinned does not need to be saved. He is a child of God when born. He has a pure and alive spirit formed in him by God. Only when he sins, does he become lost and then needs to be saved.

Do you teach everyone is born saved and reconciled to God by the death of Christ also ?

 

[Robert Pate]

Yes you do, you said everyone is born reconciled to God and saved



Thats universalism

Jesus is the international savior or the universal savior. "God so loved the WORLD that he gave his only begotten Son" John 3:16. God loves the world and has provided salvation for the whole world, so that "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

 

[brightfame52]

Jesus is the international savior or the universal savior. "God so loved the WORLD that he gave his only begotten Son" John 3:16. God loves the world and has provided salvation for the whole world, so that "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

So you teach universalism, thats ungodly,

Before we were born Jesus had ALREADY reconciled us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19.

Everyone is ALREADY born saved. Jesus in our name and on our behalf has ALREADY fulfilled every jot and tittle of the law.

 

[JunChosen]

Jesus is the international savior or the universal savior. "God so loved the WORLD that he gave his only begotten Son" John 3:16. God loves the world and has provided salvation for the whole world, so that "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

John 3:16 is the most quoted verse in the world and yet the most misunderstood!!

Ask yourself this question, "How did God love the world?" And who are the "whosoever?"

If God provided salvation to the whole world, who then will go to hell? NONE!! In fact, Matthew 1:21 declares: He will save His people from their sins.

Romans 10:13 must be read in light of Romans 3:10-11 "There's none righteous no, not one and there is NONE that seeks after God"

To God Be The Glory

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

You are in error.

The whole world has been reconciled unto God by the doing and the dying of Jesus. You are in denial of the fact that all sin has been atoned for. The scripture does not say "Elect of God" It says that Jesus is the savior of the whole world, John 1:17. This means that Jesus has defeated sin, death and the devil and now heaven as "The king of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation 19:16. When God accepted Jesus back into heaven and made him the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords that was the completion of our salvation. We are complete in him, Colossians 2:10.

It sounds to me like you are a Calvinist. No one is Chosen or elected to be saved. The scripture say that God is no respecter of anyone's person, Acts 10:35. We are all saved the same way, By grace (God's goodness) through faith. We who are saved have confidence that Jesus has defeated sin, death and that devil and that he is Lord. Those that are not saved do not have this confidence in him. Many believe that God has chosen some to be saved and then damns the rest to hell. If this is what you believe God does, then you are in serious trouble.

You defend universal salvation?

 

[Robert Pate]

So you teach universalism, thats ungodly,

No, the Bible teaches that Jesus is the savior of the whole world, John 3:17. If that is what you call universalism, then I believe it. What is ungodly is to say that God and Jesus predestinated people to hell before they are born. Better wear your fire suit when you go into the judgment.

 

[JBO]

Do you teach everyone is born saved and reconciled to God by the death of Christ also ?

No, not really. One is not born saved. One is born not needing to be saved. That is because one doesn't need to be saved from their sins until he has sinned.

God forms the spirit of each person within him at birth (or at conception) (Zech 12:1; Eccl 12:7). That spirit is not dead in sin when God gives it, but rather is alive and well and pure. At some point later in life, for those who live long enough, a person sins. They all do (Rom 3:23). Once that occurs, they become dead in their trespasses and sins (Eph 2:1) and need to be saved.

 

[brightfame52]

No, the Bible teaches that Jesus is the savior of the whole world, John 3:17. If that is what you call universalism, then I believe it. What is ungodly is to say that God and Jesus predestinated people to hell before they are born. Better wear your fire suit when you go into the judgment.

So you teach universalism which is a lie:

Before we were born Jesus had ALREADY reconciled us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19.

Everyone is ALREADY born saved. Jesus in our name and on our behalf has ALREADY fulfilled every jot and tittle of the law.

 

[brightfame52]

No, not really. One is not born saved. One is born not needing to be saved. That is because one doesn't need to be saved from their sins until he has sinned.

God forms the spirit of each person within him at birth (or at conception) (Zech 12:1; Eccl 12:7). That spirit is not dead in sin when God gives it, but rather is alive and well and pure. At some point later in life, for those who live long enough, a person sins. They all do (Rom 3:23). Once that occurs, they become dead in their trespasses and sins (Eph 2:1) and need to be saved.

The poster Im speaking to says everybody is born saved and reconciled to God,

Pate posted:

Before we were born Jesus had ALREADY reconciled us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19.

Everyone is ALREADY born saved. Jesus in our name and on our behalf has ALREADY fulfilled every jot and tittle of the law.

 

[brightfame52]

No, not really. One is not born saved. One is born not needing to be saved. That is because one doesn't need to be saved from their sins until he has sinned.

God forms the spirit of each person within him at birth (or at conception) (Zech 12:1; Eccl 12:7). That spirit is not dead in sin when God gives it, but rather is alive and well and pure. At some point later in life, for those who live long enough, a person sins. They all do (Rom 3:23). Once that occurs, they become dead in their trespasses and sins (Eph 2:1) and need to be saved.

Sounds like you saying some people dont need to be saved from sin because they never sinned, thats an ungodly , unscriptural statement, besides, if that were true, then they would be on the sideline, if they died before they sinned, in this great day,

Rev 5:9

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

 

[JBO]

"For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous" Romans 5:19. The key word in this scripture is "Made". We don't become sinners; we are made sinners. Adam is our first father, we are all related to him, we all have his blood coursing through our veins. It is not our fault that we are sinners, its Adam's fault. We have inherited his sinful nature.

Just as we were lost by a representative (Adam) we shall also be saved by a representative (Christ). Jesus in our name and on our behalf fulfills all of the demands of God's law. Jesus in our name and on our behalf atones for our sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.

Why do folks like you always point to the first parts of Romans 5:18 and 19 and then fail to understand that it is the last parts of those verses that Paul is focusing on? And then even when you do discuss the last parts you fail to understand what Paul is even saying.

There is really a lot to be said about that entire passage in Romans 5. I will cut it very,, very short and simply point out a couple things. First, the "For as...."so by" construction of verse 19 (similarly for verse 18) indicates that it is the "so by" that is the main point of the sentence. Second, the comparison given there is specifically the difference in the effects upon mankind (the many) of Adam's disobedience and Jesus' obedience. It is important to understand that "the many" that are affected by Jesus' obedience are the same as "the many" who are affected by Adam's disobedience.

Then, who are "the many" affected by Adam's disobedience? All, I think, would agree that that is the whole of mankind; it is every person since Adam who has ever been born. Thus we would conclude that "the many" affected by Jesus' obedience must be the same, that is, the whole of mankind; it is every person since Adam who has ever been born. But you ask, "How can that be?" The answer is in at what point in the lives of the many is Paul talking about. Clearly, again as everyone agrees, the effect of Adam's disobedience is on the just born. Therefore, that is the same for the effect of Jesus' obedience. The entire discussion in Romans 5:12-19 concerns the condition of the new born or just born.

What Paul is telling us there is that whatever you think the effect of Adam's disobedience might have been on the new born or the just born, it was negated by Jesus' obedience. If the effect of Adam's sin was that the new borns comes into the world made sinners, then the effect of Jesus' obedience is that the new borns comes into the world made righteous. Nothing in that passage is talking about what happens after that. Neither the effects of Adam's disobedience nor the effects of Jesus' obedience upon the many after being born are discussed there. That discussion is contained in the very next chapter, chapter 6. It is chapter 6 that Paul discusses the effect of Jesus obedience on the one who sins. Paul said in chapter 5 that you might have thought that Adam's sin brought original sin, but the important thing is that Jesus' perfect sacrifice brought original grace. The spirit God forms in each of us is righteous and alive. It is only after that when one sins that the spirit becomes unrighteous and dead.

 

[JBO]

Sounds like you saying some people dont need to be saved from sin because they never sinned,

Certainly no one has ever sinned before they were born. And indeed, unfortunately, some have not lived long enough to have sinned.

 

[brightfame52]

Certainly no one has ever sinned before they were born. And indeed, unfortunately, some have not lived long enough to have sinned.

So you teach as long as a person never sinned they will enter the eternal kingdom of Christ/God. They will come to God but not by Christ and His Sacrifice and life Jn 14:6

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

 

[brightfame52]

@JBO

And indeed, unfortunately, some have not lived long enough to have sinned.

Lol, why is that unfortunate ?