Then exactly what are you basing the curriculum you teach?
Emanations from the penumbra perhaps?
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Emanations from the penumbra perhaps?
Practical application from primarily the epistles.
I also do not ignore historical details that can be found in the Bible itself.
I'm just saying that I don't like to go outside of the Bible for historical details that may convolute the message of the Bible.
I heard of one instance where a person taught that something in Revelation had to do with some kind of historical detail; and when all was said and done with the teaching, the original application of the passage was completely done away with. The historical information was used to discount the practical application of what is written in holy scripture.
I would prefer to keep the application and I don't care for that extrabiblical information if it is going to do that to the teaching of the Bible.
That would be a case of either bad hermeneutics or poor student...dunno because I wasn't there.
But in every case I've seen that proper hermeneutics requires history, anthropology, horticulture, topography, cartography, and geography...a little biology knowledge doesn't hurt either.
Otherwise it's flat reading and little substance to what has been written. The worst writer of teen novels is much more intriguing and wisdom filled than scriptures unless the proper hermeneutics are used. And you just claimed proper hermeneutics destroy scriptures.
Flat reading will result in the worst theologies that become a mishapen, opposing legalistic, holier than thou attitude that Jesus definitely took the strongest stand against.
ChristisGod
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Much can be gleaned out of the holy scriptures merely by reading them directly.
Sometimes extrabiblical information can even convolute the meaning so that the application is lost to the reader; as I have told you.
You can keep your opinion and I will keep mine. I believe that the holy scriptures are sufficient and that extrabiblical information is not needed in order to have solid application...as a matter of fact such information can indeed convolute the message; as I have told you.
Horticulture?
Please give an example of how knowledge of horticulture (other than what can be gleaned from the Bible itself) has any bearing on our knowledge of the holy scriptures.
Such extrabiblical information may even lead someone down the wrong path in their understanding.
Knowledge of topography and cartography, and the others, also, impaho, only serve to add boring details that have nothing to do with the application of holy scripture.
ChristisGod
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horticulture examples
The parable of the sower
The cursed Fig Tree
tilling the ground
the good seed
a good tree bears good fruit
the fruit of the spirit
abiding in the vine
you are the branches
the olive branch
Genesis 2
Then the Lord God took the man and put him into the garden of Eden to cultivate it and keep it. The Lord God commanded the man, saying, “From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.”
Genesis 3
To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’
“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”
shall I go on ad nauseum ?
The parable of the sower
The cursed Fig Tree
tilling the ground
the good seed
a good tree bears good fruit
the fruit of the spirit
abiding in the vine
you are the branches
the olive branch
Genesis 2
Then the Lord God took the man and put him into the garden of Eden to cultivate it and keep it. The Lord God commanded the man, saying, “From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.”
Genesis 3
To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’
“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”
shall I go on ad nauseum ?
I said, how does knowledge of horticulture, outside of what we learn in the Bible itself, affect our understanding of the scriptures themselves.
All of those are examples of things that we can learn about horticulture from the Bible.
ChristisGod
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If you know how to read and write then you are using extra biblical knowledge to decipher scriptures.
I have experiential knowledge of none of these things; and yet I can still glean from the scriptures their intended meaning when examples of horticulture are given in the Bible as parables.
That is hilarious...
You know, if someone wracks their brain long enough, they can come up with an answer for anything.
ChristisGod
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Well I have decades of experience so Scripture comes ALIVE with the principles Jesus taught with horticulture.
Deuteronomy 11:10-11
For the land, into which you are entering to possess it, is not like the land of Egypt from which you came, where you used to sow your seed and water it with your foot like a vegetable garden. But the land into which you are about to cross to possess it, a land of hills and valleys, drinks water from the rain of heaven,
Isaiah 58:11
“And the Lord will continually guide you,
And satisfy your desire in scorched places,
And give strength to your bones;
And you will be like a watered garden,
And like a spring of water whose waters do not fail.
Numbers 24:5-7
How fair are your tents, O Jacob,
Your dwellings, O Israel!
“Like valleys that stretch out,
Like gardens beside the river,
Like aloes planted by the Lord,
Like cedars beside the waters.
“Water will flow from his buckets,
And his seed will be by many waters,
And his king shall be higher than Agag,
And his kingdom shall be exalted.
Mark 4:31-32
It is like a mustard seed, which, when sown upon the soil, though it is smaller than all the seeds that are upon the soil, yet when it is sown, it grows up and becomes larger than all the garden plants and forms large branches; so that the birds of the air can nest under its shade.”
hope this helps !!!
Deuteronomy 11:10-11
For the land, into which you are entering to possess it, is not like the land of Egypt from which you came, where you used to sow your seed and water it with your foot like a vegetable garden. But the land into which you are about to cross to possess it, a land of hills and valleys, drinks water from the rain of heaven,
Isaiah 58:11
“And the Lord will continually guide you,
And satisfy your desire in scorched places,
And give strength to your bones;
And you will be like a watered garden,
And like a spring of water whose waters do not fail.
Numbers 24:5-7
How fair are your tents, O Jacob,
Your dwellings, O Israel!
“Like valleys that stretch out,
Like gardens beside the river,
Like aloes planted by the Lord,
Like cedars beside the waters.
“Water will flow from his buckets,
And his seed will be by many waters,
And his king shall be higher than Agag,
And his kingdom shall be exalted.
Mark 4:31-32
It is like a mustard seed, which, when sown upon the soil, though it is smaller than all the seeds that are upon the soil, yet when it is sown, it grows up and becomes larger than all the garden plants and forms large branches; so that the birds of the air can nest under its shade.”
hope this helps !!!
ChristisGod
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The farmer knows just what to do, for God has given him understanding. … The Lord of Heaven’s Armies is a wonderful teacher and he gives the farmer great wisdom. – Isaiah 28:26-29
“This is the meaning of the parable: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those along the path are the ones who hear, and then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. 13 Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away. 14 The seed that fell among thorns stands for those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by life’s worries, riches and pleasures, and they do not mature. 15 But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop. Luke 8:11-15
Jesus teaching on horticulture 101.
hope this helps !!!
“This is the meaning of the parable: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those along the path are the ones who hear, and then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. 13 Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away. 14 The seed that fell among thorns stands for those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by life’s worries, riches and pleasures, and they do not mature. 15 But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop. Luke 8:11-15
Jesus teaching on horticulture 101.
hope this helps !!!
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No...it's not that funny. You use extra biblical knowledge to interpret scriptures.
Whether you admit it or not.
Let me explain.
If you were a person who had no clue as to what a car was for. And happening upon one one day, you had figured out how to turn on the radio and concluded that the whole contraption was all about being comfortable while listening to music you would have really missed the point of the device.
The transportation elements completely missed by you. But yet you teach others that you understand everything about this device.
That's what we are telling you. You don't understand what the device is all about. You think you do...but you are missing the focus.
All things where you have not used extrabiblical information to interpret the Bible and to come up with a "better interpretation".
ROFL...
Hilarious...
This analogy breaks down at the most basic level.
A car has wheels on it and also a steering wheel; and in examining the car It is easy to make the conclusion that the wheels are intended to be for moving the vehicle and that the steering wheel is for turning the wheels. I might also be able to ascertain, merely by looking at the car, that the gas pedal is to make it go and the brake pedal is to make it stop.
If I can access the radio then I can access these other functions and can learn by trial and error how the car works for the purpose of transportation.
It would be clear to anyone looking at the whole of the car that that is what the car is for.
Someone would have to be a fool to think that its intention is merely to be comfortable while listening to music.
Anyone who knows what wheels are for would make the conclusion that the car is intended to go somewhere.
In the same way, you do not have to have a manual telling you extrabiblical information in order to understand the Bible. God gave us the Holy Spirit; and He will guide us into all truth; regardless of whether we know the details of what happened in Constantinople or WWII. All of that is extrabiblical information and does not have a bearing on the original meaning. I'm not saying that those things cannot be helpful in creating illustrations.
If any historical details have a bearing on the meaning of what we read in holy scripture, those details can be found in the pages of holy scripture.
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If what you are saying is true...
Then why the different accounts of Judas' death?
Why the variation of the stories about the "faith of the centurion" ?
Why did Jesus walk on water?
And why is it then that almost no one knows the exact location in scriptures that Jesus spoke directly against the practice of abortion?
These questions are directly answered by "extra biblical knowledge"...just like your knowledge of reading and writing is extra biblical.
ChristisGod
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These accounts coincide with each other.
More than one centurion.
I'm not sure of the significance of this to your point.
By all means tell us what you are speaking of and the extrabiblical knowledge that leads you to believe that Jesus spoke on the issue of abortion. I know that it is adequately dealt with in Proverbs 31:8-9 and that there is also a passage in the Pentateuch that speaks on the issue; which says that if a pregnant woman is injured by a blow and complications ensue, the punishment will be eye for eye and tooth for tooth (concerning the injury to the baby and what will be required of the one inflicting the injjury).
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