I ask the Trinitarians and the Jehovah's Witnesses...

[DNB]

You sound like JW or SDA.

Neither.
Jesus Christ is not God, nor the Holy Spirit, only the Father is.

 

[farouk]

Neither.
Jesus Christ is not God...

False; in Hebrews 1, we read: 'Unto the Son, he saith: Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever'.

 

[DNB]

Welcome to my Ignore List. It's obvious that the rebellious state you are in that your soul maybe in danger, your understanding is so against God The Saviour Jesus Christ. All we can do is pray for your understanding.

Well, how can you both pray for me, and ignore me at the same time?
This is not about a dual-natured thing, is it?

 

[DNB]

False; in Hebrews 1, we read: 'Unto the Son, he saith: Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever'.

It also says, '...the son whom he appointed heir of all things..'. Who appointed him heir, and how can God be an heir to His own creation?
Why, farouk, do you prefer enigmas and confusion, over sound and reasonable exegesis? Take 'god' in context, the world is full of gods, not all are divine.

 

[Grailhunter]

What is the difference between the Christian translations of the Bible and the Jehovah Witness’s New World Translation of the Bible?

The main difference between the New World Translation (NWT) and other Bibles is that the NWT has attempted to eliminate almost all references to the divinity of Jesus in the New Testament. I have heard it said that it took less than a hundred modifications to do this. Another obvious difference is the introduction of the name ‘Jehovah’ into the New Testament. This is also an attempt to deny that Jesus is God, by replacing references to Christ by the misnomer name Jehovah. All in all the Jehovah Witness Bible was altered and changed to support the views of Charles “Taze” Russell that believed that the pre-mortal Jesus was created by Jehovah and that Jesus is not part of the Trinity.

It is true that Jehovah’s Witnesses do not believe in the Trinity and they do not believe that Jesus is God. See Section IV, V, and VI in the following article by Dr. Bruce M. Metzger, who was professor of New Testament at Princeton University. The article also looks into the history and background of the New World Translation: Metzger on the errors of the New World Translation

They are in a sad state of no connection to God. They are not part of the Old Covenant, nor the New Covenant. They believe the New Covenant is yet to come. Which is the reason why over the years their leaders have tried to predict the return of Christ, but to no avail.

All in all they are a lost people and we should keep them in our prays, because once they die, then on judgment day they will stand before Christ and explain why they preached that He was not God. There is only one name that can be called upon for salvation and they do not know it, or believe in Him. God have mercy on their souls.

 

[kcnalp]

Neither.
Jesus Christ is not God, nor the Holy Spirit, only the Father is.

That's a lie!
John 1 The Word was God!

 

[kcnalp]

Well, how can you both pray for me, and ignore me at the same time?

It's easy.

 

[kcnalp]

It also says, '...the son whom he appointed heir of all things..'. Who appointed him heir, and how can God be an heir to His own creation?
Why, farouk, do you prefer enigmas and confusion, over sound and reasonable exegesis? Take 'god' in context, the world is full of gods, not all are divine.

John 20 Thomas said to Jesus, "My Lord and my God".

You lose.

 

[DNB]

That's a lie!
John 1 The Word was God!

antanaclasis.

 

[DNB]

It's easy.

physically, yes, but spiritually (which involves prayer), no.

 

[DNB]

John 20 Thomas said to Jesus, "My Lord and my God".

You lose.

Like I said, there are many gods, just as both Moses and Pharaoh were gods to their people. Not all are divine.
For all the authority and power that has been bestowed to Jesus, without reservation, Jesus is a god to us. But, unequivocally, not divine.

 

[kcnalp]

antanaclasis.

Nice smoke screen. lol

 

[kcnalp]

Like I said, there are many gods, just as both Moses and Pharaoh were gods to their people. Not all are divine.
For all the authority and power that has been bestowed to Jesus, without reservation, Jesus is a god to us. But, unequivocally, not divine.

Are you really saying the Jesus is a false god???

 

[DNB]

Are you really saying the Jesus is a false god???

HE'S A MAN, NOT A GOD, FALSE OR REAL!!!

 

[Cooper]

Well, how can you both pray for me, and ignore me at the same time?
This is not about a dual-natured thing, is it?

Do you not even understand how anyone can pray for you, while ignoring you on the forum?

 

[Cooper]

HE'S A MAN, NOT A GOD, FALSE OR REAL!!!

Some people are wolves in sheep's clothing. Do not look on the outward appearance. Instead, look at the inner man, and if you do, you will see God in Christ.

 

[Cooper]

It also says, '...the son whom he appointed heir of all things..'. Who appointed him heir, and how can God be an heir to His own creation?
Why, farouk, do you prefer enigmas and confusion, over sound and reasonable exegesis? Take 'god' in context, the world is full of gods, not all are divine.

Who appointed Jesus heir? Answer, the pre-incarnate Jesus, the creator. Otherwise, known as the Word, and later as the Father. The One God.
.

 

[Cooper]

Neither.
Jesus Christ is not God, nor the Holy Spirit, only the Father is.

Jesus on earth is the omnipresent God in the likeness of man. His Spirit covers the face of the earth.

 

[ReChoired]

John 20 Thomas said to Jesus, "My Lord and my God".

You lose.

Good text, John 20:28:

Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Joh 20:28 και απεκριθη ο θωμας και ειπεν αυτω ο κυριος μου και ο θεος μου​

See also Psalms 5:2

Psa 5:2 Hearken unto the voice of my cry, my King, and my God: for unto thee will I pray.​

See also Psalms 35:23

Psa_35:23 Stir up thyself, and awake to my judgment, even unto my cause, my God and my Lord.

Psa 34:23 ἐξεγέρθητι, κύριε, καὶ πρόσχες τῇ κρίσει μου, ὁ θεός μου καὶ ὁ κύριός μου, εἰς τὴν δίκην μου.
​

Then see all of the texts which say "O LORD my God" (1 Kings 3:7, 8:28, 17:20,21; 1 Chronicles 21:17; 2 Chronicles 6:19; Psalms 7:1,3, 13:3, 30:2,12, 35:24, 38:15, 40:5, 86:12, 104:1, 109:26, Jonah 2:6, Habakkuk 1:12 )

 

[FollowHim]

Like I said, there are many gods, just as both Moses and Pharaoh were gods to their people. Not all are divine.
For all the authority and power that has been bestowed to Jesus, without reservation, Jesus is a god to us. But, unequivocally, not divine.

They call this syncratism. Pharaoh was seen as a god, Moses never. Moses always spoke for the Lord, except once for which he was punished.

You cannot know and love Jesus to speak as you do. The debate has never been about who is God, but is love stronger than domination. Jesus living example is love, which in the end shows us who He is. If love does not dwell in us and through us we have not met Him. It is why these emotional issues found the Kingdom and are so hard for us to grasp. God bless you