I believe that gay people have as much of a "choice" to be gay as you do to not sin

[07-07-07]

What @MatthewG posted in #313 is right.

Nobody is sinless (with one obvious exception). Eternal life is inherited by accepting Jesus Christ as the Savior whose sacrifice paid for all sin. You don't earn salvation by works.

Jesus did indeed pay the ultimate price for Salvation. Glory to God! Once received, His blood cleanses us from all sin.

1 John 1
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness [sin], we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light [righteousness and holiness], as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Secondly, being obedient to God's call to righteousness and holiness is not "works", but our reasonable service as heirs to eternal life.

Romans 12
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

 

[07-07-07]

No one in the flesh can inherit the kingdom of God regardless of whether they're born again or living in extreme sin.

1 Corinthians 15:50
I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

In this mortal body, one cannot walk after the lusts of the flesh and expect to inherit eternal life.

Romans 8
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

 

[Patrick1966]

"... the Washington establishment elites that raped all those kids on Epstein Island"? Are you okay?

FACT!

Epstein's partner was sentenced to 20 years for trafficking minors for sexual abuse but NONE of the people who abused them have been publicly identified, let alone arrested and prosecuted.

Why are you ok with that?

Ghislaine Maxwell Sentenced To 20 Years In Prison For Conspiring With Jeffrey Epstein To Sexually Abuse Minors

www.justice.gov

 

[Behold]

In this mortal body, one cannot walk after the lusts of the flesh and expect to inherit eternal life.

Jesus said......."All that BELIEVE in me......I GIVE unto them Eternal Life, and they shall never go to Hell (perish)"

Eternal life is Jesus Himself
To have it, you must do this.

"Jesus said....>You must be born again".

To be born again, is to exist in Spiritual Union with the ONE who is Eternal Life.

 

[PinSeeker]

Yes, God prefers that people accept and follow Jesus in order to avoid death, judgment, and correction in the Lake of Fire.

Well, there is no correction the point of the final Judgment ~ the Great White Throne judgment of Revelation 20:11-15 ~ but only judgment and the resulting once-and-for-all condemnation ~ everlasting punishment. But sure.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Jim B]

Jesus did indeed pay the ultimate price for Salvation. Glory to God! Once received, His blood cleanses us from all sin.

1 John 1
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness [sin], we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light [righteousness and holiness], as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Secondly, being obedient to God's call to righteousness and holiness is not "works", but our reasonable service as heirs to eternal life.

Romans 12
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Why not use a translation in your normal language? You might understand the meaning more clearly.

1 John 1:5-10, "This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light and in him there is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him while we are walking in darkness, we lie and do not do what is true; but if we walk in the light as he himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he who is faithful and just will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."

Romans 12:1-2, "I appeal to you therefore, brothers and sisters, on the basis of God’s mercy, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your reasonable act of worship. Do not be conformed to this age, but be transformed by the renewing of the mind, so that you may discern what is the will of God—what is good and acceptable and perfect."

Although Koine Greek has no punctuation, dividing up the text into verses leads to all kinds of errors. The best translations divide it up logically, by paragraphs, which is far better than the KJV chopping up the flow of ideas.

BTW, none of this has anything to do with the OP subject. That's fine with me, but I just thought that I would point it out.

 

[Patrick1966]

Well, there is no correction the point of the final Judgment ~ the Great White Throne judgment of Revelation 20:11-15 ~ but only judgment and the resulting once-and-for-all condemnation ~ everlasting punishment. But sure.

Grace and peace to you.

Nothing about "everlasting" in Revelation 20:11-15.

 

[Patrick1966]

FACT!

Epstein's partner was sentenced to 20 years for trafficking minors for sexual abuse but NONE of the people who abused them have been publicly identified, let alone arrested and prosecuted.

Why are you ok with that?

Ghislaine Maxwell Sentenced To 20 Years In Prison For Conspiring With Jeffrey Epstein To Sexually Abuse Minors

www.justice.gov

Here's Jim, hiding from my question.

 

[MatthewG]

Just because God shows a sinner mercy in this life does not mean He condones their sinful lifestyle. To the contrary, in my opinion, it merely reflects His mercy to draw people to Himself and away from their sins. It isn't God's desire that any should perish, but that everyone comes to repentance.

New Testament
2 Peter 3
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Old Testament
Ezekiel 33
10 Therefore, O thou son of man, speak unto the house of Israel; Thus ye speak, saying, If our transgressions and our sins be upon us, and we pine away in them, how should we then live?
11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Hello there,

Just because God shoaws a sinner mercy in this life does not mean He condones their sinful lifestyle.

No one said anything about condoning the sinful lifestyle. It was just mere notice.

Rahab was in the faith hall of fame - known as a Harlot, or as a Prosititue.


So do you believe there are Prostitues out there today, who have a love for God, and love for others, even though they are in their happenstance, perhaps never had anyone read the bible to them, all they know is God exist, and has faith.


Do you understand what I am saying, or please just tell me no if you are not understanding?


I do believe what your saying about santification, but I even so, no one is perfect like Jesus, thank you for considering at least.

 

[MatthewG]

Usually a derogatory term like you just used is a sign of hate.


Child sexual abuse is almost exclusively a heterosexual thing.
and again usually trying to associate a minority with people who abuse children is a sign of hate.

what agenda stuff?

Sure I guess, they are just words but sometimes words do hurt so I shouldnt have used the word Fag.

noun
OFFENSIVE•NORTH AMERICAN
noun: fag; plural noun: fags

1. a gay man.
   

Origin
1920s: short for faggot (sense 1 of the noun).


If you are gay, and that offended you, I do apologize, @TinMan.

Not the best choice.

Even so, you can consider me a hateful person. I am not very nice sometimes, and that is just to remain humble before God himself, in knowing who I am ... a sinner none the less, adopted by the Father, in which God is looking to adopt more sinners into his family, in which they become children of God, and can grow up to become a Son or daughter of God by the spirit.

God bless.

 

[TinMan]

Are you opposed to the sexual abuse of children? I don't have the impression that you are based on your support of the Washington establishment elites that raped all those kids on Epstein Island.

I seem to remember asking for names of all these "Washington establishment elites" but I've never gotten any response to that.

 

[TinMan]

That same-sex relationships and transgenderism are ok and normal.

is having blue eyes normal and OK?

 

[Patrick1966]

I seem to remember asking for names of all these "Washington establishment elites" but I've never gotten any response to that.

Garbage, dishonest, response. You love rich, Washington, rapists more than you love kids. Congratulations.

 

[Patrick1966]

is having blue eyes normal and OK?

What does the Bible say about blue eyes?

 

[MatthewG]

Careful not kill each other.

 

[TinMan]

FACT!

Epstein's partner was sentenced to 20 years for trafficking minors for sexual abuse but NONE of the people who abused them have been publicly identified, let alone arrested and prosecuted.

Why are you ok with that?

Ghislaine Maxwell Sentenced To 20 Years In Prison For Conspiring With Jeffrey Epstein To Sexually Abuse Minors

www.justice.gov

How do you know they are "Washington establishment elites"?

 

[Patrick1966]

Sure I guess, they are just words but sometimes words do hurt so I shouldnt have used the word Fag.

noun
OFFENSIVE•NORTH AMERICAN
noun: fag; plural noun: fags

1. a gay man.

Origin
1920s: short for faggot (sense 1 of the noun).


If you are gay, and that offended you, I do apologize, @TinMan.

Not the best choice.

Even so, you can consider me a hateful person. I am not very nice sometimes, and that is just to remain humble before God himself, in knowing who I am ... a sinner none the less, adopted by the Father, in which God is looking to adopt more sinners into his family, in which they become children of God, and can grow up to become a Son or daughter of God by the spirit.

God bless.

Tinman is far more outraged about you using a bad word than he is about Washington elites raping kids. Of course, what else should one expect from an abortionist?

 

[Patrick1966]

How do you know they are "Washington establishment elites"?

Because they're being protected by the DOJ/FBI, the national media, and enablers like YOU.

 

[MatthewG]

I dont care.

Thanks.

 

[TinMan]

Sure I guess, they are just words but sometimes words do hurt so I shouldnt have used the word Fag.

words hurt espically when they are used to demena and dehumanize.

Is that what you call your friend?
words hurt espically when they are used to demean and dehumanize.
noun
OFFENSIVE•NORTH AMERICAN
noun: fag; plural noun: fags

1. a gay man.

Origin
1920s: short for faggot (sense 1 of the noun).


If you are gay, and that offended you, I do apologize, @TinMan.


I would be offended if you came to a post and referred to African American people as N******. Does that make me black?