I don't want to talk about it!

[TLHKAJ]

There's nothing wrong with encouraging one another to good works and walking in love ...which is what I see is the intended theme of this thread.
You mentioned that sometimes you find yourself being quarrelsome when you don't mean to. Your last post seemed a bit hasty and brash. @DNB Might you consider that @Ziggy is just trying to bring our attention to an issue that's on her heart and expressing her wish that society was more harmonious?

 

[Ziggy]

The Government doesn't give a DAMN about the constitution. It is filled with filthy rich lawyers looking out for "number one" and taking bribes from the highest bidders.

True.
And my dad mentioned something about Pelosi coming up with a 120 sum odd page "new" constitution.
Keep your eyes on that..
But according to the Declaration. Do we the people still have the power to dissolve this government and create a new if it becomes tyranical?
We the People, have the power if we only used it.
Complacency.. I hope people wake up sooner than later.
Thank You
HUGS

 

[TLHKAJ]

The whole discussion....the concept....the inadequate terms....the offensive terms. I have served in the military and I know for a fact that they call each other the "N" word. It is all a power play to control what you say. There is really no example like it in our culture. There is an underlying desire to control what people say. They prey on people of conscience and the people that press it, have none. Power play. There is an old western called "Blazing Saddles" they cannot hardly play that anymore. It does not matter they want the power, it is intended to intimidate and control. It does not matter if it is here on this forum or on TV or in media if you type out the "N" word or say it, the whole world comes down on you. It can ruin your reputation and or your business, it can get you fired...and that is the point, they think that it is cool. Power play.

The fact is, very few white people are white and very black people are black. I discussed this in another thread. It does not matter what phrase you use they can turn it around and accuse you of racism, if they do not like you or whatever reason they have....could be a whim or a bad day or if you are debating them and they are losing they can pull the race card out. They can assault a mom with kids in a parking lot and when the cops come they can say the mom called them a bad name and the crime is forgotten. Why is this so? It gets down to the fact they like the power play and they do not like to be identified in anyway as different.

Person of color...colored....black....negro....African American...dark skinned...None of these are intended to offend but..it does not matter, they can turn it around, act offended and accuse you of being a racist. Part of the issue has it roots in Marxism or communism. Barack Hussein Obama....did you know that the media was not allowed to say or print his middle name because it related to Saddam Hussein. Hussein is a common middle eastern name, but on a whim they were allowed to control what we say and print...The first step to mind control is controlling the media, speech, and language. There is a host of derogatory terms that can be used for people of color and most whites are not going to use them. We talk to people in public, as school, at work, or black friends,most people are not going to use derogatory terms.

On the other hand, people of color can call whites just about anything they want and get away with it, in public, on TV, in the media...and we take it in stride. What does that mean? They do not like that either, because it insinuates that we are more intelligent and or more civilized. They are their own worst enemy, because they get us in a position that, we know that there is no way that we cannot offend them and at any point they could go berserk over nothing. So some whites avoid them. It just like these murderous mobs, they have hurt the social standing of the people of color in general...they have harmed the social standing of the average black person that works, own a home, a car and send their kids to school. That is not fair, but the ramifications are visual and stand in reality. Prejudice is not avoiding homicidal manics. After all this how can you tell if a person of color participated in those riots....Do you want to have them in your neighborhood? Do you want your children around them? Do you want to work with them as fellow employees? Would you want to hire them?

In St. Louis and other big cities black crime dwarfs anything the mafia ever did. Men, women, and children are being killed at a rate of 3 or 4 a day and it has been that way for years. Children are shot in their front yards and in their homes and in their cribs. The point here is not to give in to people controlling what you say, they have no right. Unless you are using an obvious derogatory or demeaning term...it is not their right to control what you say or print. We have to stop coddling this type of behavior.

Do you live in St Louis?

I have known some very kind, godly black people ...and not all of that race are hostile toward whites.
One black man who worked for the power company came out to do some work and we got to talking about God and he shared his testimony ...he heard about my son who was battling cancer and prayed with me in my yard. Then he gave me his wife's number so we could be in touch and pray. And I have several examples like that.

 

[kcnalp]

Do we the people still have the power to dissolve this government and create a new if it becomes tyranical?

No!

 

[Grailhunter]

Do you live in St Louis?

I have known some very kind black people ...and not all of that race are hostile toward whites.

I live about an hour south of St. Louis, born and raised there.
What you said about kind black people has no reliance to what I wrote. What we deal with is the minority of the minority. The vast majority of blacks are good people...that is not the point. I am not sure why you felt you needed to add that.
The topic is about what should we refer to them as and why it is so difficult. I don't think anyone here is going to say or think that all blacks are bad.

 

[TLHKAJ]

I live about an hour south of St. Louis, born and raised there.
What you said about kind black people has no reliance to what I wrote. What we deal with is the minority of the minority. The vast majority of blacks are good people...that is not the point. I am not sure why you felt you needed to add that.
The topic is about what should we refer to them as and why it is so difficult. I don't think anyone here is going to say or think that all blacks are bad.

Thank you for clarifying. I couldn't tell for sure by your post exactly what you meant. Please accept my apology for misunderstanding you.

I know someone who just moved to St Louis and they were shocked by how different things are there ....racially speaking, I mean.

 

[Waiting on him]

I need to go back to school

I was about to quote the Declaration of Independence and say it was in the Constitution, or bill of rights.

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

I understand this was our seperation from Britain. But does it also apply to the present government that rules over us?

The way I understand it Britain abolished slavery about 75 years before we did.

 

[Ziggy]

I hear what you ALL are saying. And I thank you for your replies.
It is on my heart when I see the manipulation the media is promoting and the instigation behind it.
Human nature is inherently evil until we turn the other way.
I don't expect the world to repent in a single step.
It's just one of those topics we put under the rug and hopes it disappears.
But it won't. It will just grow and grow, until it's your child beaten because they said or did something that offended someone.
Or they come and burn down your house, steal your car.
And I'm not naive. I got a lot of street life under my belt.
I may not know big fancy words or have a college degree,
but I know the streets because I lived them.

So that's the answer then,
there is no answer.

I'll keep talking to them through live chat. I'll keep trying to convince them they are being used.
I'll keep trying to tell them they are loved and cared about.
I'll keep trying.
It may do no good. But if just one can be reached, then I'll feel it's been worth it.

Thank You
HUGS

 

[Grailhunter]

Thank you for clarifying. I couldn't tell for sure by your post exactly what you meant. Please accept my apology for misunderstanding you.

I know someone who just moved to St Louis and they were shocked by how different things are there ....racially speaking, I mean.

St. Louis is a powder keg right now. They drive by and shoot people on the highway. They elect prosecutors that do not prosecute crime, and elect judges that have revolving door courts...The city does not back the police and police lay low and do little to investigate murders. So the stage is set for crime in the streets.

 

[kcnalp]

St. Louis is a powder keg right now. They drive by and shoot people on the highway. They elect prosecutors that do not prosecute crime, and elect judges that have revolving door courts...The city does not back the police and police lay low and do little to investigate murders. So the stage is set for crime in the streets.

A good start!
Matthew 24:21 (NKJV)
21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.

 

[TLHKAJ]

If you listen to AFR, you may hear a woman named Meeke Addison do some of the shows. She is black. A few months or so back, she and a black man were doing a show and she asked him, "Did you believe black lives matter before 2015?" He said, "Yes." She asked, "Did you believe that all lives matter before 2015?" He said, "Yes." She said..."Then stop saying it! Stop feeding the narrative. They want to divide us. Stop repeating 'black lives matter' or 'all lives matter' and just obey the Word and love your neighbor as yourself regardless of race or color."

 

[Waiting on him]

I can see that the response from most of the contributors of this thread are those whom live in bubbles.

 

[Grailhunter]

I can see that the response from most of the contributors of this thread are those whom live in bubbles.

lol Sir! I am a world traveler and seen a lot of it...the good, the bad, and the ugly....with sense around.

 

[Waiting on him]

lol Sir! I am a world traveler and seen a lot of it...the good, the bad, and the ugly....with sense around.

Then you know the truth, it’s not going away.

 

[DNB]

There's nothing wrong with encouraging one another to good works and walking in love ...which is what I see is the intended theme of this thread.
You mentioned that sometimes you find yourself being quarrelsome when you don't mean to. Your last post seemed a bit hasty and brash. @DNB Might you consider that @Ziggy is just trying to bring our attention to an issue that's on her heart and expressing her wish that society was more harmonious?

You're right TLHKAJ, ...I actually originally mention that in the post, then removed it as to not detract from my point. But, you're correct, ....mind you though, my ultimate point was that there will be no peace on earth, so that my actions were somewhat incidental to the point being made - that is, it only takes one person to cause factions and there are millions of divisive people out there, as there will always be.

I got frustrated that Ziggy kept repeating her question, without addressing a single thing that I said, not a critique either, way for better or for worse.
So, one could argue, that maybe Ziggy was part of the problem also - for the sake of argument? Her comment about practice actually did more harm than good, and I gave the reasons why, that is the point at hand.

Either way, Jesus brought a sword to divide, there will never be peace on earth, never, ever. As long as Satan is roaming around, he will make sure that men will fight and hate one another.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

This thread is probably going to get highly electrified. I just ask before I pose a question,
to please, if the topic bothers you intensly and you want move along.. that's perfectly ok.
Don't feel you have to participate in something that makes you uncomfortable.

I am aware I put this in the Debate Forum and it needs to be debated or at least discussed.
It's basically what's tearing this country apart right now.
What is called Social Justice, Racism, and Equality for all.
Think of it as a 3-in-1 topic.

I am a 55 y/o white woman. I grew up in the city of Boston right when the bussing started.
I never been a racist. I never looked at a person's skin color. I always went by their character.
I'm not sure what Social Justice is, and I don't know what is meant by Equality for all.
I believe in the Constitution and that we are all equal in the eyes of God.
And that we are all under one law.
Now some say that only applies to some people, mainly white ones.
And though I know a little about the Jim crow laws and segregation..
I never studied it.

I talk to people in the live chats and they tell me, if I can't see color then I'm a racist.
If I can't see the injustice between white people and people of color, I'm a nazi.
They don't hold back either. They spit it at you.

Now maybe there some people that are in this Forum that is a person of color, or feels the racial injustice or inequality.
As a church, as the family of God, we need to work this out together.
I'm hoping to hear from all different points of view about what we can do
to mend this rift.
When we go to heaven, I don't think Jesus is checking skin colors at the door.
Just saying..

What say you?
MUCH LOVE
and prayers for this discussion
AMEN

HUGS

Social Justice, good question. such can be anything you want it to be, but I think what is being peddled nowadays is Socialist Justice, the Socialist is all about a utopia, they think that they can control people how in as to how you must think, Hitler did the same as do all Communist and anyone outside of this becomes an enemy of the State, all must follow the Political Correct line or else !

There is no such thing as equality at all, I have never seen it in my life at all and such does not bother me at all as that's life, I do not have a problem with people who are better than me in anyway richer or such. but many people do have inferiority issues and the Satanist use such to gain power.

Equality for all truly means enslavement for all under the Socialism god that must be idolised.

Hell we even have such a organisation promoting abortion up to 9 months and killing old people in a deranged way and they are promoting such as a liberation to their Idols.
Hey that Political Correctness sure has a zeal among it's faithful like you do not see in the Church, if only we did the Church would slap them down, but no they hide from them in fear because most Christians are lukewarm in their faith.

It's the lowlife who have been empowered nowadays by the workings of the Satanic Socialist Political Correctness demon that they are idolising.

We have morons in Australia who are white as me claiming to be black, I ask my self why are such people getting about strutting about like a little Nazi bastard and dictating nonsense to us. such people have been created brainwashed with so much dribble from school system, that is Socialist and clearly Anti-Christ control the schools and Government. one thing they will not do is promote Jesus Christ, religion maybe ok by them but not Jesus Christ you will find.
Everyone is equal is the mantra, your rapist or child molester or fag who runs about like a dog wanting only sex. they are all your equal remember under there system. you can not call them out on such, they have equal rights, it's a free for all. they have no morals and no class and they will lead the world to destruction. it's a creep show.

I know full on black people who agree with me on all this, they have seen it first hand that such is bad for all people. it's living a lie ! the blind leading the blind.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I actually looked up that term "people of color".
And I found out that it means the very word we all try to avoid. the "N" word.
Seems in Europe in the early days, or maybe not so early, they used the proper "N" word to describe all people
of other races.
So we just truly exchanged one racist term for another.
I just don't think people took the time to research it thoroughly.

But I agree with you. I feel it is just as racist and it divides no less than any other slang or derogative name for people.
Thank you for your reply
Hugs

Go watch Black Jesus, it's a great show and all the people are black and they use the N word all the time 24/7 these people are great actors, one is Eddy Murphy brother, he is so cool I love this openness that they display, it's so refreshing to see such reality.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

This really is a sensitive topic and I appreciate your wording.
And listening is critical that's for sure.
I'm wondering if there is a way we can get "above" the narrative?
No colors at all, or everyone is called by the color they are..
It doesn't matter to me if the guy who just went into the market is black white brown red yellow. it's just a guy.
The only time I think it should be specified is if you done something wrong and the police are looking for you/
That's just the way I feel
Thank You
HUGS

The offended card !
Oh God said do not offend ?
Ok now we have were a man says he is a woman, Don't question such ! or look out here comes the Political Correct police, there are laws about saying such things now, boy do they come out in a rage, you must this and that by law or loose your Job, your whole life can be destroyed by such people. one bloke I know Major Bernard Gaynor got kicked out for pointing out the rule book and was stomped on, he had to take them to court and he won his case but they still attacked him full on. he lost his house and everything.
One walks into the military now and will have to ask, who are you today Arthur or Martha because one can change who they claim to be at their will.
Then we seen this top officer moron who got the sex change come out on TV claiming to know all about being a woman, he was now an authority on the subject you know. he is a smart dude but he is truly Possessed I am sure of that, the poor bugger has flipped his lid. this dude even had total malice towards poor Bernard, a person at his rank should never lower themselves to malice, what a creep show.

In my books one born a man is always a man regardless and a woman is a woman regardless. I do not treat both the same.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I looked into them.They use hash tags and call the names like calling up spirits.
Now they are burning flag AND Bibles. Demons are on the loose.
But they play on their emotions. And the things they are teaching in schools about how bad white people are. And I don't think parents really know what's going on.
Obama used to be a "grassroots" organizer in chicago before he became senator.
Those roots go deep, real deep. And Hillary got her hand on his spine and strings on his hands.
I agree
HUGS

Such as the power of the Satanist are slandering our forefathers in Australia with so much childish dribble, this age could not hold a candle to them, not to mention survive such hardship as they endured. who claimed that there feelings are being offended as a rights issue. we have no toilet paper or a flushing toilet, the indignity ! where is my air-conditioned car and house.

 

[Ziggy]

You're right TLHKAJ, ...I actually originally mention that in the post, then removed it as to not detract from my point. But, you're correct, ....mind you though, my ultimate point was that there will be no peace on earth, so that my actions were somewhat incidental to the point being made - that is, it only takes one person to cause factions and there are millions of divisive people out there, as there will always be.

I got frustrated that Ziggy kept repeating her question, without addressing a single thing that I said, not a critique either, way for better or for worse.
So, one could argue, that maybe Ziggy was part of the problem also - for the sake of argument? Her comment about practice actually did more harm than good, and I gave the reasons why, that is the point at hand.

Either way, Jesus brought a sword to divide, there will never be peace on earth, never, ever. As long as Satan is roaming around, he will make sure that men will fight and hate one another.

Alright,
My concern isn't with the world at large. My concern is mainly with these protesters that are mostly made up of 15-30 year olds.
I'm concerned about the 15- 20 year olds that are getting sucked into this. How can we reach them? Can we change them before it gets beyond control?

The statement you made concerning, "but until you cure" .. stop.
And that's what I'm looking for.. how to reach out and cure this narrative, shut it down, until it eats all our children.

There was nothing in that post I disagreed with. And so I liked it.
and maybe I didn't express exactly what answers I was looking for in the OP.
It's more like fishing for ideas. Not accusing anyone of doing or not doing,
but looking for something.
Just to have an open discussion, not an argument.

To be honest.. I feel helpless.
I see these kids and it breaks my heart.
Who dropped the ball?
How can we fix it?
Can we fix it?

These were and are just questions running through my mind.

And you came in like a storm...
and maybe you are a storm.
Maybe you just tackle things head on and direct no holds barred.
That's ok, I just haven't had a chance to properly meet you yet.
And it took me by surprise.

And what I said about, taking practice,
I only meant to be playful,
Because we are all practicing..
we all face the same challenges. Some are harder than others.
I've had to practice with not putting my foot in my mouth.
And apparently, I need more.

But then you attacked me. Not the OP.
ME.
What did I do to you? Did I call you names?
Did I call you a flake or naive?

that kinda hurt.

anywhoo..

I'm sorry if I offended you. I didn't mean to.
The title "I don't want to talk about it"
Is because most people don't.

I'm trying to find a way to break through to them.
One problem I have is I don't understand their language. They twist the meaning of words.
How can you talk if you don't understand what's being said?

So in a way I hoped by starting this thread, people would , I don't know give me clues what it is they are talking about.
I hear these concepts, these words, racist and nazi and they use the words differently than what my dictionary says.

And I have heard a lot of good comments and helpful insights
and it might make a difference trying to reach them.
I don't know.

So, enough said..
I'm still gonna hug you,

HUGS