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@Matthias the demoralization. That's certainly what it feels like. I began to really notice it a little over ten years ago. The noticeable decline in things, usually entertainment, being produced in the West.

I'll post a couple examples. These videos are 30 years apart. I think it demonstrates the decline in writing and tone of this franchise. But I think you can see this in just about everything now...

 
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Then why not believe them?

Are there not things you believe from historical events that have less attestation?
This is going to sound insulting, but that isn't my intention.

Because... It's silly. It just is. Talking animals. Talking bushes. A guy living inside of a fish for three days. A guy building a large boat and gathering all the animals.

It just goes on and on. By the time we get to Jesus, we're already waist deep in crazy. Sure, you could say well, what's a little more? And you might have a point. But still... I have to have some semblance of sanity in my life.

I realize it's a bit hypocritical for me to be okay with the deist position, which doors require a supernatural act of creation. I'll have to take that one on the nose.

But how can I get from that to a personal god that cares about me? What evidence is there that hee wants anything to do with me?
 

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A being that holds power beyond imagining.
I do too.....a Being who can create matter from pure dynamic energy is indeed beyond human comprehension.
But what was his purpose in creation? One with such wisdom, intellect and power must surely have had a reason to step outside the immaterial realm and to create a material one? It was for the same reason why he created his spirit family in heaven. They were brought into existence before material creation began. We are an extension of that family......only a different species, in a different realm, but still possessing God’s attributes.
Given his lack of appearances in modern times, at least compared to the time of Moses, I'm inclined to believe he has either given up on his creation, or was never involved beyond being a prime mover.
If you are comparing the past (Moses’ day) with the present......again what possible reason could the Creator have had in demonstrating his power back then in various ways, but not now?

The miracles of the Christian Era also tell us something about the God whom Jesus served....and all those miracles were a foregleam of the world to come....under the rule of God’s Kingdom, when God’s will is “done on earth as it is in heaven”.....so many “Christians” have convinced themselves that they are going to heaven that that is their only focus. God did not create humans to live in heaven, he created us to enjoy mortal life forever, right here on this lovingly prepared planet, with nothing to disturb the peace except the abuse of free will....and he tried hard to put up a barrier to that, providing all his creatures would need to live harmoniously here, sharing life in beautiful peaceful surroundings. That is what we lost, and that is what Christ came to get back for us.

God did not create robots, because love is not something that can be forced.....it has to come from a willing heart. We are to love God with our whole heart, mind and strength...and to show love to our neighbor as ourselves.....how can we love someone we don’t even know?

Free will means that you love God because of who he is, not what he can do FOR you....(selfishness) or TO you. (out of fear)
There are so many things to learn about this amazing Creator who wants to be a Father to all of us....but he also wants to know and observe us, by how we live the life he has given us.

The Bible answers all our questions, which is why we are encouraged to study it. How else can we get to know the author of his own book?...who tells us all we need to know about himself.....as much as he can reveal to our limited intelligence and capacity.

There is a beginning, a middle, and an end to the Bible’s overall narrative. It is one story from start to finish. In the beginning, and through to his promise to Abraham before Moses and the nation of Israel existed, God was showing humanity the folly of disobedience, whilst through Abraham’s lineage he would produce the redeemer who would bring the human race back into reconciliation with him.

Having in mind that the Creator does not exist in earth time, but is virtually a timeless Being, all things are carried out in universal time....where “a thousand years” can be just Iike “one day” to him. (2 Pet 3:8)

In view of that timeframe, it becomes clear that nothing God does happens in our counting of time. Creation is an example of this, where a “day” is said to account for a number of things that God carried out in his plan for creation, but clearly not in seven 24 hour periods.....he is not constrained by an earth “day”....the word in Hebrew has several meanings, one being “a period of undetermined time”. Gaining an overview of the Bible’s terminology and original languages is helpful to our understanding of things from his perspective, not just ours.
I think that's an accurate definition.
Me too, but because we have a supernatural enemy.....the one who caused us to lose what God wanted to gift to us, he is carrying out his dealings with that adversary in Universal time, not in earth time. Once that was pointed out to me, then everything else fell into place.

What are your thoughts?
 

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Your post reminded of the interview that was done with former KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov.

Here is a link to a 13 minute excerpt from the interview:


Here is a link to the full 1 hour and 27 minute interview:

This Yuri is a Master of the facts ! and all people should listen to this.

And I know people who would not listen at all, because they are totaly brainwashed dupes in fact ! Communism is like a heaven to them ! my Communism mate has over $2 million him self and will get another $2 million when his mum dies.
Now he clearly says that he will gladly give it all up if Communism comes to dominate Australia ! why well because it's going to be that great ? for The People will Rule !
Then he says that they will sort out all of the brats within 6 weeks, people stealing etc etc !
But I said to him, in Communist Nations, they still have bad people on the loose, so even death for doing wrong, clearly does not stop such at all, regardless what he claims.

Not to mention that it's not the People who are in charge of the State at all in fact, but are Slaves to the mose Evil criminal bastards that totaly lord it over everyone in fact !

The Communist in Australia are going to be in for a hell of shock to see the real face of Communism.
You know he bags people who have a good car and one across the road is also a Communist had bought a 3yo car and old mate pointed such out to him and his wife and they were all, no ! it's not new ! old mate say yes it is.
But it is 3yo !
Big no no having a good car when you are promoting your a Communist. and anyone who is not a communist is seen as just a stupid idiot.
Australia pollutes around 1% of the world and we are going to save the world, by undermining our economy ! but the big deal is that we will show the rest of the world our credentials of boasting to this Idolitry ! everything that the Socialist do is insanity !
 

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I just can't stand it any longer. I'm tired of seeing mediocrity praised and rewarded and treated like it's just as good as what came before when it isn't.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that western civilization is in decline. In many ways, it mirrors Rome's decline. It doesn't produce anything of value anymore.

Just look at what passes for entertainment these days. Super hero nonsense where everything is treated as a big joke. Even shows and movies that aren't based on comic books use the same writing style. So you end up with nothing being taken seriously. Nothing matters. It's almost nihilistic in it's presentation.

I tried watching the Fallout tv show earlier. I got through two episodes before I turned it off out of rage. I hate western culture today. It's so empty and utterly worthless. It has nothing to say, and it lives on through nostalgia.
I have these complaints about modern media and entertainment too. Postmodern culture has nothing to say and we don't produce art that inspires awe and wonder anymore.
 

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I just can't stand it any longer. I'm tired of seeing mediocrity praised and rewarded and treated like it's just as good as what came before when it isn't.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that western civilization is in decline. In many ways, it mirrors Rome's decline. It doesn't produce anything of value anymore.

Just look at what passes for entertainment these days. Super hero nonsense where everything is treated as a big joke. Even shows and movies that aren't based on comic books use the same writing style. So you end up with nothing being taken seriously. Nothing matters. It's almost nihilistic in it's presentation.

I tried watching the Fallout tv show earlier. I got through two episodes before I turned it off out of rage. I hate western culture today. It's so empty and utterly worthless. It has nothing to say, and it lives on through nostalgia.
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How could he? The Bible wasn't written when Christ walked the earth.
Hi @Riven

The OT was written well before the birth of Christ. It foretold His Coming. Things like the giving of the Ten Commandments, and many of the Psalms, were top of the pops, so to speak, for centuries before Christ walked the earth as a man.

To me it's a really interesting subject.

Here's a detailed overview of the established use and dating of the Old and New Testaments, based on scholarly consensus and historical evidence:


Old Testament: Composition and Canonization​


️ Composition Timeline​

  • Pentateuch (Genesis–Deuteronomy): Composed between the 10th and 6th centuries BCE, with final redaction likely after the Babylonian Exile (597–538 BCE).
  • Historical Books (Joshua–Kings): Compiled during the monarchic and exilic periods, roughly 7th–6th centuries BCE.
  • Wisdom Literature (Proverbs, Job, Ecclesiastes): Dates range from the 10th to 4th centuries BCE.
  • Major and Minor Prophets: Written between the 8th and 5th centuries BCE, with Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel spanning key historical transitions.

Canonization and Established Use​

  • Septuagint Translation (~200 BCE): Indicates widespread use and recognition of Hebrew scriptures among Jews in the Hellenistic world.
  • Dead Sea Scrolls (2nd century BCE): Contain nearly all Old Testament books, showing their established use before the Common Era.
  • Council of Jamnia (c. 90 CE): Did not create the canon but confirmed what was already widely accepted. Jewish canon likely finalized between 400–200 BCE, conservatively.


✝️ New Testament: Composition and Recognition​


️ Composition Timeline​

  • Pauline Epistles: Earliest writings, starting with Galatians (~48–49 CE) and 1 Thessalonians (~50–52 CE).
  • Gospels:
    • Mark: ~64–72 CE
    • Matthew & Luke: ~80–100 CE
    • John: ~90–110 CE
  • Acts of the Apostles: ~60s–70s CE
  • General Epistles & Revelation: Written between 60s and 110 CE, with 2 Peter often considered the latest (~125–150 CE).

Canonization and Established Use​

  • Early Church Fathers (e.g., Clement of Rome, Ignatius, Irenaeus): Quoted New Testament texts as authoritative by the late 1st to early 2nd century CE.
  • Muratorian Fragment (~170 CE): Earliest known list of canonical New Testament books.
  • By 3rd century CE: Most major writings were accepted by nearly all Christian communities.
  • Codex Sinaiticus (c. 325–360 CE): First complete manuscript of the Christian Bible, including the New Testament.


 
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I do too.....a Being who can create matter from pure dynamic energy is indeed beyond human comprehension.
But what was his purpose in creation? One with such wisdom, intellect and power must surely have had a reason to step outside the immaterial realm and to create a material one? It was for the same reason why he created his spirit family in heaven. They were brought into existence before material creation began. We are an extension of that family......only a different species, in a different realm, but still possessing God’s attributes.

If you are comparing the past (Moses’ day) with the present......again what possible reason could the Creator have had in demonstrating his power back then in various ways, but not now?

The miracles of the Christian Era also tell us something about the God whom Jesus served....and all those miracles were a foregleam of the world to come....under the rule of God’s Kingdom, when God’s will is “done on earth as it is in heaven”.....so many “Christians” have convinced themselves that they are going to heaven that that is their only focus. God did not create humans to live in heaven, he created us to enjoy mortal life forever, right here on this lovingly prepared planet, with nothing to disturb the peace except the abuse of free will....and he tried hard to put up a barrier to that, providing all his creatures would need to live harmoniously here, sharing life in beautiful peaceful surroundings. That is what we lost, and that is what Christ came to get back for us.

God did not create robots, because love is not something that can be forced.....it has to come from a willing heart. We are to love God with our whole heart, mind and strength...and to show love to our neighbor as ourselves.....how can we love someone we don’t even know?

Free will means that you love God because of who he is, not what he can do FOR you....(selfishness) or TO you. (out of fear)
There are so many things to learn about this amazing Creator who wants to be a Father to all of us....but he also wants to know and observe us, by how we live the life he has given us.

The Bible answers all our questions, which is why we are encouraged to study it. How else can we get to know the author of his own book?...who tells us all we need to know about himself.....as much as he can reveal to our limited intelligence and capacity.

There is a beginning, a middle, and an end to the Bible’s overall narrative. It is one story from start to finish. In the beginning, and through to his promise to Abraham before Moses and the nation of Israel existed, God was showing humanity the folly of disobedience, whilst through Abraham’s lineage he would produce the redeemer who would bring the human race back into reconciliation with him.

Having in mind that the Creator does not exist in earth time, but is virtually a timeless Being, all things are carried out in universal time....where “a thousand years” can be just Iike “one day” to him. (2 Pet 3:8)

In view of that timeframe, it becomes clear that nothing God does happens in our counting of time. Creation is an example of this, where a “day” is said to account for a number of things that God carried out in his plan for creation, but clearly not in seven 24 hour periods.....he is not constrained by an earth “day”....the word in Hebrew has several meanings, one being “a period of undetermined time”. Gaining an overview of the Bible’s terminology and original languages is helpful to our understanding of things from his perspective, not just ours.

Me too, but because we have a supernatural enemy.....the one who caused us to lose what God wanted to gift to us, he is carrying out his dealings with that adversary in Universal time, not in earth time. Once that was pointed out to me, then everything else fell into place.

What are your thoughts?
How can one love God when one has never actually met God? Christians talk about it being a relationship. But how can you love someone you never see or hear from? The relationship sounds very one sided to me.
 

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Now he clearly says that he will gladly give it all up if Communism comes to dominate Australia ! why well because it's going to be that great ? for The People will Rule !
Isn’t that what democracy was supposed to be? Rule of the people, by the people, and for the people?....it never was....illusions are easy to perpetuate when you have the media promoting that illusion as something it never could be.....a propaganda machine that never sleeps......but no rule by man will ever come to success because of the sin in him. This what God is teaching us....that humans are not designed to have power over other humans.....it corrupts them.

We are designed to be ruled by one who is incorruptible and omniscient.....one who is also all powerful, but who never abuses his power. He has the Sovereign right to rule his creation as he sees fit, and to tell them what is acceptable behavior...and what isn’t. Free will gives us the option to serve this Creator out of love and appreciation for all he has done...or to reject him and flout his laws and principles because they want to live life their way.


Humans could not be told that they cannot rule themselves successfully...they had to be shown....who in any nation on earth sees the advantage of leaving God out of their lives as if ‘doing your own thing’ benefits anyone but yourself? In all of man’s history, almost all have just wanted to live a peaceful, happy and productive life, yet the minority who are given, or who take rulership, have never delivered on their promises. They have never left the ridiculous mentality that the piece of dirt they live on, cannot be shared and that humans can live in peace, if only they could love, instead of hating one another?

I recently saw a photograph of allied and German soldiers enjoying a game of soccer during a brief truce in the second World War, but who took up their weapons to kill one another, when it was over. It blows my mind that humans can entertain this mentality, when all they had to do on both sides of the conflict was to put down their weapons and refuse to kill for their governments. Imagine if world leaders had to enter a ring to fight one another for supremacy! It’s too easy to send your slaves to kill and be killed for your nation’s ambitions. This is why Jesus told us to be “no part of that world”....(John 18:36) There are no good guys because they are all puppets in the hands of the master controller. (1 John 5:19)

Soon there will be a showdown between God’s apppointed King, and the kings of the earth, who are all in for a devastating defeat. (Daniel 2:44)
 

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@Matthias the demoralization. That's certainly what it feels like. I began to really notice it a little over ten years ago. The noticeable decline in things, usually entertainment, being produced in the West.

I'll post a couple examples. These videos are 30 years apart. I think it demonstrates the decline in writing and tone of this franchise. But I think you can see this in just about everything now...


How interested would you be in fixing the problem if you had the power and authority to do so?
 

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How interested would you be in fixing the problem if you had the power and authority to do so?
Very. But I'm not sure any kind of authority can fix the mess that is our culture.
 
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Excellent. You‘re invited in scripture to join the management team that is going to make it happen.

But I'm not sure any kind of authority can fix the mess that is our culture.

The Messiah and his management team (all who belong to him, of which I am but one of many) have the power and authority to fix it in the coming age.
 
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Excellent. You‘re invited in scripture to join the management team that is going to make it happen.

The Messiah and his management team (all who belong to him, of which I am but one of many) have the power and authority to fix it in the coming age.
I'll take it under advisement. :contemplate:
 
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I just can't stand it any longer. I'm tired of seeing mediocrity praised and rewarded and treated like it's just as good as what came before when it isn't.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that western civilization is in decline. In many ways, it mirrors Rome's decline. It doesn't produce anything of value anymore.

Just look at what passes for entertainment these days. Super hero nonsense where everything is treated as a big joke. Even shows and movies that aren't based on comic books use the same writing style. So you end up with nothing being taken seriously. Nothing matters. It's almost nihilistic in it's presentation.

I tried watching the Fallout tv show earlier. I got through two episodes before I turned it off out of rage. I hate western culture today. It's so empty and utterly worthless. It has nothing to say, and it lives on through nostalgia.
Cultural diversity is destroying Western civ. Are college students still required to read Shakespeare? Probably not.
 

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Isn’t that what democracy was supposed to be? Rule of the people, by the people, and for the people?....it never was....illusions are easy to perpetuate when you have the media promoting that illusion as something it never could be.....a propaganda machine that never sleeps......but no rule by man will ever come to success because of the sin in him. This what God is teaching us....that humans are not designed to have power over other humans.....it corrupts them.

We are designed to be ruled by one who is incorruptible and omniscient.....one who is also all powerful, but who never abuses his power. He has the Sovereign right to rule his creation as he sees fit, and to tell them what is acceptable behavior...and what isn’t. Free will gives us the option to serve this Creator out of love and appreciation for all he has done...or to reject him and flout his laws and principles because they want to live life their way.


Humans could not be told that they cannot rule themselves successfully...they had to be shown....who in any nation on earth sees the advantage of leaving God out of their lives as if ‘doing your own thing’ benefits anyone but yourself? In all of man’s history, almost all have just wanted to live a peaceful, happy and productive life, yet the minority who are given, or who take rulership, have never delivered on their promises. They have never left the ridiculous mentality that the piece of dirt they live on, cannot be shared and that humans can live in peace, if only they could love, instead of hating one another?

I recently saw a photograph of allied and German soldiers enjoying a game of soccer during a brief truce in the second World War, but who took up their weapons to kill one another, when it was over. It blows my mind that humans can entertain this mentality, when all they had to do on both sides of the conflict was to put down their weapons and refuse to kill for their governments. Imagine if world leaders had to enter a ring to fight one another for supremacy! It’s too easy to send your slaves to kill and be killed for your nation’s ambitions. This is why Jesus told us to be “no part of that world”....(John 18:36) There are no good guys because they are all puppets in the hands of the master controller. (1 John 5:19)

Soon there will be a showdown between God’s apppointed King, and the kings of the earth, who are all in for a devastating defeat. (Daniel 2:44)
Jesis said, This world is full of deceptions and delusions.

Democracy ? pure democracy is pathetic !
A healthy Democracy is the key to solid foundations.
So people have the right to say what ever they want regardless, and if that offends others, they just have to get a life ? and grow up !
If we run about trying to defend cry babys and sooks, as if it's their right not to be offended ?

Do not offend me :doldrums:? like haven't you ever seen a criminal before:coff ? My new age rights to be a filth monger ! etc etc. but that's life, anyone can become offended regardless. but I delt with people 24/7 in my trade that were trying to take advantage of you all the time ! day in day out. not that they could careless. but I was not suprised about anything they would do or did ! Costing me money ? it was like being robbed every day.
Then I may get someone saying about what another person had said to them or did ? and I am like, yes ! but did you get robbed ? like turned up for work and you lost that days income, it only cost you money to turn up for the job and get some moron talk like a fool to you, oh you could play about like a fool all day ? like a handy man. but I do not get payed by the hour ! I have to produce a product to earn, so I can not just play around, you have to hit it as hard and as fast as you can, to try and make a wage !

Now I pointed out to a Builder that I earnt $6 HR on a job. not his job mind ? but he said, No ! flat rejected it !
He believes that all Trades should earn half of what he pays them.
But It should be, if a Builder messed up my day, I should charge them so as to compansate me and my workers ! not that I Ioose the day and also have to my and the lads with me their wages. but to a Builder, could not care less at all ! If we could only get Union backing us up, the Builder would get their act together and not treat everyone, as his own personal Slave !

Byt you see people are in a position to play games with others will ! As with Political Partys, people do not join a Party to be a good person ? maybe they did ! but in time they change with their office mates agendas of looking after number one ! it's join the Club mentality of they will get you ! and their is more than one way to skin a Cat.

So games are always afoot in this world ! but the thing is most people do not understand the game play and others may understand.

And one can see a War being played out ? and have a good handle on why etc But others do not have a clue truly the foundations as to why, they just believe the Media or a Government. such is blind faith !

Now when it comes to Religions then their can become issues ! within and with others, That's Life ! but some people go way overboard with rants towards another person of some other faith, but one may agree with another on so many points !
I was talking to some young christians of late and I said, a norm within every Church is, some people within look down on others within and drive them out ? but I said, yes they may be just as so, but do not try and run them down 24/7 as it's not about that ! for sure they will mess up along the path, but to be their with them, so as to help guide them, so they will grow ! and that's what it's all about, one fails, you help pick them up ! because we learn best from our mistakes. a little guidance can go a long way. whether they listen is another thing. but such can pay off in the long run, when they remember back and think I respect That person ? or look back at Church days thinking some people really were an old busybody and nothing but !
 

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How can one love God when one has never actually met God? Christians talk about it being a relationship. But how can you love someone you never see or hear from? The relationship sounds very one sided to me.
It’s a funny thing about spirituality Riven....we are born with a spiritual nature, but with the distractions of this world and all the wrong things being taught about God, in a divided and bickering religious system, it’s a wonder that anyone still wants to know him. The devil has made sure that he is maligned in every way....and suggests that only pathetic losers need a God....that we can do very well without them....yet look at the state of the world....is this a world that any of us want our children and grandchildren to grow up in?

A good Bible study and quality research will answer life’s tough questions in a way that brings admiration for the way the Creator has conducted himself in what is essentially a legal case against an evil slanderer.
The more I know about God and his creation, the more love I have for him. The more time I spend reading his word, the closer I get to him. We don’t meet him in person, but we get to know him through the activities and teachings of his son. If you love the son, you love his Father also, as they are so alike in character and nature as a result of spending eons of time together...The Father taught his son everything he knows, and was involved in creation first hand with his Father.....he is part of the “us” and “our” in Gen 1:26. (Col 1:15)

God’s name will be cleared of all reproach, but those who believed the slanderer and sided with him, will suffer the same fate as he does.
 
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