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    This topic has never came to my mind before, but I have read of the resurrected bodies in God's word and I believe itwhen I read the post "Dinosaurs and Christ", I saw the mention of "spiritual bodies" and that man wasn't flesh, but the animals were. I'm just wondering, what does that mean? I thought Adam had a physical and a spiritual aspect to him. I'm very confused =(p.s.: if this sounds a little skeptical, I'm really sorry. =( but I'm not skeptical. I'm just wondering, so no need to worry =]
     
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    oh okaythank you very much sir [​IMG]
     
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    So, does the "spiritual body" mean that we will be floating, disembodied spirits? I'm just curious. and confused [​IMG]
     
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    This topic has never came to my mind before, but I have read of the resurrected bodies in God's word and I believe itwhen I read the post "Dinosaurs and Christ", I saw the mention of "spiritual bodies" and that man wasn't flesh, but the animals were. I'm just wondering, what does that mean? I thought Adam had a physical and a spiritual aspect to him. I'm very confused =(p.s.: if this sounds a little skeptical, I'm really sorry. =( but I'm not skeptical. I'm just wondering, so no need to worry =]
    Good morning Morning Joy, [​IMG] (Your name certainly makes one smile)You should be skeptical of all things and all teachings. All things should be proven in His Word and not just with one scripture. It is too easy for some to twist the meaning by cherry picking one verse to prove their points.There will be 3 earth and heaven ages. In the first age we were all in our spiritual bodies...just as we will be in the next, 3rd. age. Bodies that don't age or die (until and unless thrown in the lake of fire [​IMG] )The narrative of Adam is in this present 2nd age. He was formed into a flesh body but he was the same spirit, the same soul that he was in the first age and the same spirit/soul that he will be in the 3rd age....just as we are. That is the reason we find skeletal remains of animals, dinosaurs, etc. from eons ago....but not man. Man, in flesh, came about in this age. There are no remains of spiritual bodies. But, please realize, spirit bodies have mass....they are not some etheral floating plasma of mist. They are solid, they eat food, they can be seen just as we can be seen but we get sick in our flesh bodies and we die.....they don't. Nor will we...one day!I'm sure after you have read what Denver suggested to you it won't be confusing any longer.....Too, please note my signature line. It's about this very subject. :angel9:....Whirlwind
     
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    So, does the "spiritual body" mean that we will be floating, disembodied spirits? I'm just curious. and confused [​IMG]
    Our posts crossed [​IMG]No, as stated in my previous post....no, spirit bodies have mass!.......Whirlwind
     
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    ohhhh, okayI'm sorry, I didn't see your previous post [​IMG] In my King James Bible, I noticed that it said "....and Adam became a living soul"...but in the NIV, it replaces the word "soul" with "being", so I'm guessing that they are both the same, right?do our (man) spiritual bodies have mass only, or do the angels have mass, too? oh, okay. so since a spiritual body isn't just mist and it can eat...what makes it different from flesh? by the way, what are the "ages"? I have seen a lot of mention of that on this board.was the 1st Earth age the Creationthen the second is nowand the third is yet to come?
     
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    ohhhh, okayI'm sorry, I didn't see your previous post [​IMG] In my King James Bible, I noticed that it said "....and Adam became a living soul"...but in the NIV, it replaces the word "soul" with "being", so I'm guessing that they are both the same, right?
    He became a living soul in a flesh body. He was already a "living soul."
    do our (man) spiritual bodies have mass only, or do the angels have mass, too? oh, okay. so since a spiritual body isn't just mist and it can eat...what makes it different from flesh?
    It doesn't age, it doesn't get sick, it doesn't perish.....those are the differences in the flesh and the spirit bodies....they are incorruptible, we are not, not yet.We are angels :eek:. In this flesh we are man, in spirit we are angels...same entity.
    by the way, what are the "ages"? I have seen a lot of mention of that on this board.was the 1st Earth age the Creationthen the second is nowand the third is yet to come?
    There was an age before our present age. We were all in spirit bodies then...same spirit/soul but not in flesh. That was when Satan rebelled and many of God's children followed him. God destroyed that age....not earth but the age. He shook earth up really well but it is the same earth. In this present 2nd age all those of free will are given another chance to make the right decision...will they follow God or Satan? Then, as you said, "and the third is yet to come?".........Whirlwind
     
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    oh okayWhirlwind, or anybody else who would like to, could you give me some scripture to help me remember these things? thank you very much [​IMG]if you find some verses, I will mark them down [​IMG]
     
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    1Cr 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. Remember back to when the Hebrews were in the desert God fed them Angel food that is Manna our spirit bodies will also eat they are not ghosts but have real subtance
     
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    oh, I seethis is kind of confusing (I'm sorry) [​IMG] but I do like this topic very much. And I bet that I will understand this soonI love to learn new things about the Bible can you give me the section when God gave the Hebrews angel food? I want to read it. I've never read it before [​IMG], but I think I have heard of it. I've heard people mention "heavenly manna", plus I know what manna is (I think). Isn't manna a sweet bread?
     
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    You dont have to apoligize for your questions or confusion you will learn we all have to start somewhere we love teaching this stuff to anyone who wants to learn.Now the manna story is in Exodus about chapter 16 (but you might want to start at chapter 1 This is the story of after the Hebrews left Eygpt remember the Red Sea parted and lets Moses and the Hebrews cross into the desert. God had promised to lead them to the promised Land (Israel) but this Journey would take 40 years in this 40 years much would happen they would have to fight battles with Idol worshipersthey would receive the Laws of Moses(10 commandments) they would be tried and tested I would read the whole book of Exodus as this is an important foundation to understanding a lot of scripture ask when you have a question about any part.
     
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    okayI'll get my Bible
     
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    okay,thanks so much for introducing that subject to me, kriss [​IMG] I appreciate itso here is what is troubling my mind right nowI have noticed that in the Bible, the angels are called the "sons of God", which, I think, shows a kind intimacy between the angels and God. I also noticed that in Luke's geneology, Adam was also called "the son of God". I saw that Jesus said that we shall be "as the angels" after the resurrection, but after that, He added why we shall be "as the angels". We won't marry nor be given into marriage. Was Jesus making a comparison between humans and angels, because they both won't marry?in the Bible study, the "Earth ages" study, I clicked on the first link posted. On that site, the author said that the female gender will no longer be a part of women, but they will still be them. What's troubling me is...since "God made them male and female" in the beginning, why would the female gender have to be erased? God saw that everything was good after He made it all. Genesis 1:31 "God saw all that He had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day."And whirlwind said that we will have a spiritual body, but it won't be a "ghost". We can still touch, but we will be immortal. Is the body we're in necessarily a mistake? because it sounds like to me that we're kind of "trapped" in flesh. is that true?
     
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    Hi Morning_joy. when God created Man He Created a living spirit, gave him a soul and put him into a body. You are a spirit, you have a soual and you live in your body, when a person dies only his body dies, his spirit and soul live on in the place that they have chosen while they were on earth. The spirit bodies you mentioned were fallen evil spirits, When the devil fell he took two thirds of fallen angels with him and tokk up his place on the first earth, YThey were still around in Genesis 6, that is one reason God had to flood the earth.Genesis 1: says, "In the begining [The first] God created the heavens and the earth" and the earth was without form and void, and dark, Yet God didn't creat it like that, The actual Hebrew which the Old Testamen was wrot, says, " The earth became without form and void" Then in Gen 1: 28, God told Adam to "Replenish" That means tho fill it again, You can't fill again somthing that wasn't filled before. There is a gap between Gen 1: 1, and Gen 1: 2, maybe millions of years, that is when prehistoric creatures were here. and that is when the devil and his bunch were here.No human beings, there was no life for man before Adam. We never were floating spirits. We will get Spiritual bodies in the next life.
     
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    This topic has never came to my mind before, but I have read of the resurrected bodies in God's word and I believe itwhen I read the post "Dinosaurs and Christ", I saw the mention of "spiritual bodies" and that man wasn't flesh, but the animals were. I'm just wondering, what does that mean? I thought Adam had a physical and a spiritual aspect to him. I'm very confused =(p.s.: if this sounds a little skeptical, I'm really sorry. =( but I'm not skeptical. I'm just wondering, so no need to worry =]
    No need to worry about appearing skeptical Morning_Joy this is being answered by Mr. Skeptical himself, remember Jesus said to search the scriptures to find answers for the things we are confused or wonder about.Having said that I would refer you to Jesus own words in Luke 24:39 as a proof of a bodily and not a spiritual resurrection and also Matthew speaks of the graves being opened in Mat. 27:52,53 and many BODIES of the saints who were raised went into the holy city. These two passages are enough for me to believe in a bodily resurrection.
     
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    Alan is right in his above post Morning but do not get confused yes we (Adam) were /are spirits/souls and we ate called sons of God a few times in scripture butthe Angels were also created by God and are called also the sons of God However some of these Angels rebelled with Satan and these are called fallen Angels the Sons of God in Genesis 6 are fallen Angels (the bad guys) Spirit and flesh can not mix accept by Gods hand alone when he created usSatan and his fallen Angels ( Nephilim,) came to earth and tried mating (giving and taking in marraige) with daughters of men (women) this unholy alliance resulted in giants being upon the earth this was the reason for the flood only Noah's bloodline was not defiled by these fallen Angels. This was Satan's attempt to destroy the blood line of Christ thus God sent the flood.P.S. Spirit bodies have no gender /Angels are all males these are not necessarily exactly the same thing
     
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    No need to worry about appearing skeptical Morning_Joy this is being answered by Mr. Skeptical himself, remember Jesus said to search the scriptures to find answers for the things we are confused or wonder about.Having said that I would refer you to Jesus own words in Luke 24:39 as a proof of a bodily and not a spiritual resurrection and also Matthew speaks of the graves being opened in Mat. 27:52,53 and many BODIES of the saints who were raised went into the holy city. These two passages are enough for me to believe in a bodily resurrection.
    Well you would be mistaken if you are talking flesh bodies we will be resurrected into incoruptable spirit bodies it was our natrual state before this age and we will return to that state again but this spirit has subtance it is not a ghost
     
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    Here is what the Companion Bible says about these fallen Agels (sons of God) Appendixes To The Companion Bible The Nephilim, or "Giants"of Genesis 6, etc.This Is Appendix 25 From The Companion Bible. The progeny of the fallen angels with the daughters of Adam (see notes on Genesis 6, and Appendix 23 are called in Genesis 6, N e-phil´-im, which means fallen ones (from naphal, to fall). What these beings were can be gathered only from Scripture. They were evidently great in size, as well as great in wickedness. They were superhuman, abnormal beings; and their destruction was necessary for the preservation of the human race, and for the faithfulness of Jehovah's Word (Genesis 3:15). This was why the Flood was brouhgt "upon the world of the ungodly" (2Peter 2:5) as prophesied by Enoch (Jude 14). But we read of the Nephilim again in Numbers 13:33 : "there we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, which come of the Nephilim". How, it may be asked, could this be, if they were all destroyed in the Flood ? The answer is contained in Genesis 6:4, where we read: "There were Nephilim in the earth in those days (that is to say, in the days of Noah); and also AFTER THAT, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became [the] mighty men (Hebrew gibbor, the heroes) which were of old, men of renown" (literally, men of the name, that is to say, who got a name and were renowned for their ungodliness). So that "after that", that is to say, after the Flood, there was a second irruption of these fallen angels, evidently smaller in number and more limited in area, for they were for the most part confined to Canaan, and were in fact known as "the nations of Canaan". It was for the destruction of these, that the sword of Israel was necessary, as the Flood had been before. As to the date of this second irruption, it was evidently soon after it became known that the seed was to come through Abraham; for, when he came out from Haran (Genesis 12:6) and entered Canaan, the significant fact is stated: "The Canaanite was then (that is to say, already) in the land." And in Genesis 14:5 they were already known as "Rephaim" and "Emim", and had established themselves as Ashteroth Karnaim and Shaveh Kiriathaim. In chapter 15:18-21 they are enumerated and named among Canaanite Peoples: "Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, and the Amorites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites" (Genesis 15:19-21; compare Exodus 3:8,17; 23:23. Deuteronomy 7; 20:17. Joshua 12:8). These were to be cut off, and driven out, and utterly destroyed (Deuteronomy 20:17. Joshua 3:10). But Israel failed in this (Joshua 13:13; 15:63; 16:10; 17:18. Judges 1:19,20,28,29,30-36; 2:1-5; 3:1-7); and we know not how many got away to other countries to escape the general destruction. If this were recognized it would go far to solve many problems connected with Anthropology. As to their other names, they were called Anakim, from one Anak which came of the Nephilim (Numbers 13:23), and Rephaim, from Rapha, another notable one among them. From Deuteronomy 2:10, they were known by some as Emim, and Horim, and Zamzummim (verse 20,21) and Avim, etc. As Rephaim they were well known, and are often mentioned: but, unfortunately, instead of this, their proper name, being preserved, it is variously translated as "dead", "deceased", or "giants". These Rephaim are to have no resurrection. This fact is stated in Isaiah 26:14 (where the proper name is rendered "deceased", and verse 19, where it is rendered "the dead"). It is rendered "dead" seven times (Job 26:5. Psalm 88:10. Proverbs 2:18; 9:18; 21:16. Isaiah 14:8; 26:19). It is rendered "deceased" in Isaiah 26:14. It is retained as proper name "Rephaim" ten times (two being in the margin). Genesis 14:5; 15:20. Joshua 12:15 (margin). 2Samuel 5:18,22; 23:13. 1Chronicles 11:15; 14:9; 20:4 (margin). Isaiah 17:5. In all other places it is rendered "giants" , Genesis 6:4, Numbers 23:33, where it is Nephilim; and Job 16:14, where it is gibbor (Appendix 14. iv). By reading all these passages the Bible student may know all that can be known about these beings. It is certain that the second irruption took place before Genesis 14, for there the Rephaim were mixed up with the five nations or peoples, which included Sodom and Gomorrha, and were defeated by the four kings under Chedorlaomer. Their principal locality was evidently "Ashtaroth Karnaim"; while the Emim were in the plain of Kiriathaim (Genesis 14:5). Anak was a noted descendant of the Nephilim; and Rapha was another, giving their names respectively to different clans. Anak's father was Arba, the original builder of Hebron (Genesis 35:27. Joshau 15:13; 21:11); and this Palestine branch of the Anakim was not called Abrahim after him, but Anakim after Anak. They were great, mighty, and tall (Deuteronomy 2:10,11,21,22,23; 9:2), evidently inspiring the ten spies with great fear (Numbers 12:33). Og king of Bashan is described in Deuteronomy 3:11). Their strength is seen in "the giant cities of Bashan" to-day; and we know not how far they may have been utilized by Egypt in the construction of buildings, which is still an unsolved problem. Arba was rebuilt by the Khabiri or confederates seven years before Zoan was built by Egyptian Pharoahs of the nineteenth dynasty. See note on Numbers 13:22. If these Nephilim, and their branch of Rephaim, were associated with Egypt, we have an explanation of the problem which has for ages perplexed all engineers, as to how those huge stones and monuments were brought together. Why not in Egypt as well as in "the giant cities of Bashan" which exist, as such, to this day? Moreover, we have in these mighty men, the "men of renown," the explanation of the origin of the Greek mythology. That mythology was no mere invention of the human brain, but it grew out of the traditions, and memories, and legends of the doings of that mighty race of beings; and was gradually evolved out of the "heroes" of Genesis 6:4. The fact that they were supernatural in their origin formed an easy step to their being regarded as the demi-gods of the Greeks. Thus the Babylonian "Creation Tablets", the Egyptian "Book of the dead", the Greek mythology, and heathen Cosmogonies, which by some are set on an equality with Scripture, or by others adduced in support of it, are all the corruption and perversion of primitive truths, distorted in proportion as their origin was forgotten, and their memories faded away. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
     
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    THE SONS OF GOD" IN GEN. 6:2, 4. It is only by the Divine specific act of creation that any created being can be called "a son of God". For that which is "born of the flesh is flesh". God is spirit, and that which is "born of the Spirit is spirit" (John 3:6). Hence Adam is called a "son of God" in Luke 3:38. Those "in Christ" having "the new nature" which is by the direct creation of God (2Cor. 5:17. Eph. 2:10) can be, and are called "sons of God" (John 1:13. Rom. 8:14, 15. 1John 3:1). (*1) This is why angels are called "sons of God" in every other place where the expression is used in the Old Testament. Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7. Ps. 29:1; 89:6. Dan. 3:25 (no art.). (*2) We have no authority or right to take the expression in Gen. 6:2, 4 in any other sense. Moreover, in Gen. 6:2 the Sept. renders it "angels". Angels are called "spirits" (Ps. 104:4. Heb. 1:7, 14), for spirits are created by God. That there was a fall of the angels is certain from Jude 6. The nature of their fall is clearly stated in the same verse. They left their own oijkhthvrion (oiketerion). This word occurs only in 2Cor. 5:2 and Jude 6, where it is used of the spiritual (or resurrection) body. The nature of their sin is stated to be "in like manner" to that of the subsequent sins of Sodom and Gomorrha, Jude 7. The time of their fall is given as having taken place "in the days of Noah" (1Pet. 3:20. 2Pet. 2:7), though there may have been a prior fall which caused the end of "the world that then was" (Gen. 1:1, 2. 2Pet. 3:6). For this sin they are "reserved unto judgment", 2Pet. 2:4, and are "in prison", 1Pet. 3:19. Their progeny, called Nephilim (translated "giants"), were monsters of iniquity; and, being superhuman in size and character, had to be destroyed (see Ap. 25). This was the one and only object of the Flood. Only Noah and his family had preserved their pedigree pure from Adam (Gen. 6:9, see note). All the rest had become "corrupt" (shachath) destroyed [as Adamites]. the only remedy was to destroy it (de facto), as it had become destroyed (de jure). (It is the same word in v. 17 as in vv. 11, 12.) See further under Ap. 25 on the Nephilim. This irruption of fallen angels was Satan's first attempt to prevent the coming of the Seed of the woman foretold in gen. 3:15. If this could be accomplished, God's Word would have failed, and his own doom would be averted. As soon as it was made known that the Seed of the woman was to come through ABRAHAM, there must have been another irruption, as recorded in Gen. 6:4, "and also after that" (i.e. after the days of Noah, more than 500 years after the first irruption). The aim of the enemy was to occupy Canaan in advance of Abraham, and so to contest its occupation by his seed. For, when Abraham entered Canaan, we read (Gen. 12:6) "the Canaanite was then (i.e. already) in the land." In the same chapter (Gen. 12:10-20) we see Satan's next attempt to interfere with Abraham's seed, and frustrate the purpose of God that it should be in "Isaac". This attempt was repeated in 20:1-18. This great conflict may be seen throughout the Bible, and it forms a great and important subject of Biblical study. In each case the human instrument had his own personal interest to serve, while Satan had his own great object in view. Hence God had, in each case, to interfere and avert the evil and the danger, of which his servants and people were wholly ignorant. The following assaults of the great Enemy stand out prominently :--
     
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