I take it from both sides.

[Bob Estey]

Liberals have issues with me because I think we should obey the Lord's commandments. Conservatives have issues with me because I think Paul misspoke when he said women can't speak when they are in a church (1 Corinthians 14:33-36). (Women do a large portion of the work in churches. How can they do that without speaking?) Does anyone else here take it from both sides?

 

[Matthias]

Yo.

 

[Behold]

I think Paul misspoke when he said women can't speak when they are in a church

Reader,

Let me show you all this.. for your consideration.

"Man is the head of the woman, as Christ is the head of the Church.""
The woman is to respect the man, and the man is to love the woman as Christ loved the Church."

If you are a male, and are married, and your wife has no respect for you, totally gone, never to return, then you are going to be divorced, or live in hell on earth.
If a woman does not respect her husband, then game over..
Also, if a man does not run his household, as the head, then he will ruin it, every time.
Christ can heal this marriage, but, normally it goes to the Divorce court, as the hatred is so intense....that they both want to escape it.

So, again... """Man is the head of the woman, as Christ is the head of the Church.""
The woman is to respect the man, and the man is to love the woman as Christ loved the Church."""
Men need respect.
Women need security.


Here is part 11.

"""Women"", in the ministry..... according to the person who is responsible for the Doctrine of the Church, (Paul the Apostle) said a woman can't be a Pastor.
Why?
This has to do with "the HEAD".....situation, that God established as Adam being made the man, and Eve being made out of Adam, as the womb-man.
Its not a sexist thing, its not a "human rights", issue, is a DIVINE ORDER situation that God established.
Can't be changed, but it can be rejected.
Now, a woman,= can preach, teach, evangelize, be a missionary, write Christian books, lead worship, be a Deaconess, .... but she can't be the HEAD of a LOCAL Assembly, (Pastor/Bishop) as that is a MAN situation, only.

Here is the qualification for a Bishop. (Pastor)..>you have to be ....."the husband of one WIFE.".
see that?
A woman can't be that one, even tho in these "days of noah" a lot of woman have a wife.
God rejects this utterly, and so should you.

Also...

"I forbid women to speak in church"...
This is because in those days the Church was someone's house.
And what would happen, is that the women would be on one side and the men on the opposite, and the women would be talking across the "asile", saying things like...>"will you bring the fish home"... "or do you want me to go to the store". "are you looking at her again"""
And that was the whole congregation doing a CHAT like that when the PASTOR was trying to get the word of God into them.
So, Paul says....>we are going to stop that and have CHURCH.... = '""Ladies, be QUIET.....Everyone PAY ATTENTION< this is not a restaurant, this is a CHURCH SERVICE."""

So, 2020 years later, there are those who took that verse out of context.

Women can preach, teach, and do everything as a ministry, except be a PASTOR, as a PASTOR has to be : "the husband of ONE WIFE".
That is a male only situation.

 

[Charlie24]

Liberals have issues with me because I think we should obey the Lord's commandments. Conservatives have issues with me because I think Paul misspoke when he said women can't speak when they are in a church (1 Corinthians 14:33-36). (Women do a large portion of the work in churches. How can they do that without speaking?) Does anyone else here take it from both sides?

Some say that in the Churches Paul built, the Gentile Churches, that the women sat on one side and the men on the other.

During the service the women would talk across the isle to their husbands, asking questions of what was being said, disrupting the services.

This came from 1 Cor. 14:35,
"And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."

The shame is said to be interrupting the service, the reason Paul said for the women to keep silent in the Church.

If Paul meant for women to be completely silent in Church, women could not teach in the Church, which Paul allowed the women to do, but not to have authority of the man.

So I think there could be some truth to this, but really I don't know. I've researched it but how am I to know if it's true or not from someone's account of what happened in the early Church?

 

[L.A.M.B.]

IF it had not been for women, church existence would be no more !
If it had not been for women teaching the Word in the homes there would be FEW godly men !
If God had no place for women in his scheme of things, he'd have just kept creating men! Lol he already repented of that.

 

[BeyondET]

Liberals have issues with me because I think we should obey the Lord's commandments. Conservatives have issues with me because I think Paul misspoke when he said women can't speak when they are in a church (1 Corinthians 14:33-36). (Women do a large portion of the work in churches. How can they do that without speaking?) Does anyone else here take it from both sides?

Paul didn't misspoke, women were priest in the cult of Aphrodite and there were several temples to Aphrodite in and around Corinth the reason for the passage.

 

[Bob Estey]

Paul didn't misspoke, women were priest in the cult of Aphrodite and there were several temples to Aphrodite in and around Corinth the reason for the passage.

Paul said women weren't to speak in churches (1 Corinthians 14:33-36). I think he misspoke.

 

[Enoch111]

Women do a large portion of the work in churches. How can they do that without speaking?

Women can speak all they want, so long as they do not preach, teach, or take authority within the church.

 

[Enoch111]

Paul said women weren't to speak in churches (1 Corinthians 14:33-36). I think he misspoke.

You are forgetting the context. The context is during Christian worship when both men and women are present. And in this case, the issue of tongues was being addressed.

 

[Bob Estey]

Women can speak all they want, so long as they do not preach, teach, or take authority within the church.

Paul said they can't speak (1 Corinthians 14:33-36).

 

[Bob Estey]

You are forgetting the context. The context is during Christian worship when both men and women are present. And in this case, the issue of tongues was being addressed.

Paul simply said they can't speak - he didn't specify a context.

 

[Enoch111]

Paul simply said they can't speak - he didn't specify a context.

He expected you to examine the context as well as his other teachings on the role of women in the home and in the church. And he went all the way back to Adam and Abraham.

 

[Bob Estey]

He expected you to examine the context as well as his other teachings on the role of women in the home and in the church. And he went all the way back to Adam and Abraham.

He provided no context for us to examine.

 

[BeyondET]

Paul said women weren't to speak in churches (1 Corinthians 14:33-36). I think he misspoke.

Only because you not looking at the pass history of the actual place called Corinth why Paul was speaking about it in the area. Hence Corinthians the people of Corinth.

 

[Bob Estey]

Only because you not looking at the pass history of the actual place called Corinth why Paul was speaking about it in the area. Hence Corinthians the people of Corinth.

Paul didn't qualify his remark - we need to take it at face value - we can't read into it. But I think he simply misspoke.

 

[ScottA]

Liberals have issues with me because I think we should obey the Lord's commandments. Conservatives have issues with me because I think Paul misspoke when he said women can't speak when they are in a church (1 Corinthians 14:33-36). (Women do a large portion of the work in churches. How can they do that without speaking?) Does anyone else here take it from both sides?

Bob,

I have given you the explanation for this issue already. Again:

The reason Paul said what he said is because of disorder in the Church being caused by certain women. He called it as He saw it. So it is written.

However, the reason it is written in the eternal word of God and also to every other generation down through the entire history of the church is not because they would also need that same direction, or that women should otherwise be considered any different than men in regard to speaking or being silent in Church. The reason--is not about women at all. It's about the Church, that is--it is about the Bride of Christ (merely portrayed as a women), of whom Paul was made an ambassador to all peoples and every generation in preparation for the coming of the Bridegroom. Which is to say, that no one [men and women] alike during all future generations who would consider themselves to become One in marriage with Christ, would be silent, allowing only the Holy Spirit to speak until that time.

The Church was suppose to "hear what the Spirit says to the churches."​

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Liberals have issues with me because I think we should obey the Lord's commandments. Conservatives have issues with me because I think Paul misspoke when he said women can't speak when they are in a church (1 Corinthians 14:33-36). (Women do a large portion of the work in churches. How can they do that without speaking?) Does anyone else here take it from both sides?

Absolutely. Everyone has a bone to pick.

 

[BeyondET]

Paul didn't qualify his remark - we need to take it at face value - we can't read into it. But I think he simply misspoke.

If we read into it we'd know who he was referring too in the area of Corinth in that time and take it at face value about what was happening in those places mentioned in the bible.

 

[Bob Estey]

Bob,

I have given you the explanation for this issue already. Again:

The reason Paul said what he said is because of disorder in the Church being caused by certain women. He called it as He saw it. So it is written.

However, the reason it is written in the eternal word of God and also to every other generation down through the entire history of the church is not because they would also need that same direction, or that women should otherwise be considered any different than men in regard to speaking or being silent in Church. The reason--is not about women at all. It's about the Church, that is--it is about the Bride of Christ (merely portrayed as a women), of whom Paul was made an ambassador to all peoples and every generation in preparation for the coming of the Bridegroom. Which is to say, that no one [men and women] alike during all future generations who would consider themselves to become One in marriage with Christ, would be silent, allowing only the Holy Spirit to speak until that time.

The Church was suppose to "hear what the Spirit says to the churches."​

I take the Bible at face value - I don't read things into it.

 

[Bob Estey]

If we read into it we'd know who he was referring too in the area of Corinth in that time and take it at face value about what was happening in those places mentioned in the bible.

I don't read things into the Bible - I take it at face value.