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Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by brakelite, Sep 27, 2019.

  1. brakelite

    brakelite Guest

    Agree with all the above except for the last paragraph. He's a Jesuit. They are sworn to uphold the Jesuit oath. And there is no way on God's green earth, or in Satan's synagogue, that Francis would have ever become Pope if he wasn't the real deal Jesuit.
    And yes, the fallen woman has daughters, who are returning to Mother as we speak. And yes, there are many individuals within who are being called out...they are God's people.
    As for your contention that the Catholic church was once against democracy, until such a stand became untenable, I would add a caveat. The change in stance was once again only meant for the goyim. The initiates are still fully aware that the Catholic Church, in heart and soul, is fascist. She still hates the present republican USA, despises the constitution, hence why so many Catholics on the Supreme Court reinterpreting it. The separation of church and state in the US is the first target and is unravelling as we speak. Look at the inane support for Trump solely on the promise of power to the church. Doesn't take a great deal to follow the clues.
     
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    Prayer Warrior Well-Known Member

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    I'm not focused on you! And I'm not demanding anything. You are free to name one source or none. It's up to you.
     
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    Why was he the first Jesuit to become Pope?
     
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    I don't feel like taking the time to go through that post to do what you asked.
     
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    That's fine. I may go through it and ask about something specific. Or not. Don't know why you're being nasty. My request was a friendly one.
     
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    Why is that nasty in your book? I don't feel like doing it. Why should I do it then? If it was a friendly request, why not take "no" as an answer? Is someone nasty in your book for not doing what you want?
     
  7. brakelite

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    That is a good question. No doubt there have been many Jesuits who were sufficiently qualified...the black pope has always been the Jesuit general. Maybe they simply thought the time was ripe for one of their own to take the helm ...or perhaps the alternatives weren't up to scratch. But whatever, the Leopard is waking up...written 4 years ago...
    The Leopard Stirs…
     
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    I remember an old Jesuit who was telling a story of how they were undermined by a new type of faction that took over the Jesuits order and he was totally pissed off about it all. he was one of the top ranking ones as well that was cast aside, so he knew what he was talking about.
    I think I seen it was on youtube it was about in the 1960's, he said that it had totally changed what they were once all about.

    I remember the days where all the Freemasons would bag the RC full on till the cows came home, but if you put forward the RC point of view they got real violent and did not want you to say one word about any such at all, they would not listen at all. but nowadays the Freemasons don't really care as they are very happy with Pope Frances, the peoples Pope.
     
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    Do you know the difference beyween gossip and calumny ?

    If you're suggesting that there are enemies within the Church, do you think we find this surprising?

    There have been enemies within and without , throughout the History of the Church, but tge Holy Spirit always prevents them from overcoming her.

    What the Catholic Church teaches and believes is not hidden, but has been proclained for 2000 years...

    Allow me to paint a different hypothosis...

    When the Church, the last remaining bulwark of Christendom, refuses to play ball with the amoral and immoral global cabal led by the masons..
    (See Dominus Iesus for the Catholic position on interfaith dialogue)

    The vatican will be attacked and a new 'bishop of Rome' installed who will order and end to the daily sacrifice....
    Might that anti-pope be a current cardinal or other church official?

    Perhaps but they will not be a valud pope, and the Church will once more be hunted and persecuted by the world..

    Maranatha!
     
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    I think that it's all about that the cat was out of the bag with what was coming up and Pope Ben could not take such on and the Jesuit had to come into the fray because of their carnal relations with the World in powers that be, as that's their bag.
    Pope Ben could not come out and say all the crap that Pope France has said, because there would be to many questions as to why Ben would of changed his spots so wildly as such and there is much to reference with when Pope Ben was such a great a Cardinal, so it would be imposable for Pope Ben to say such or play along with such total rubbish as Pope Frances has said.

    Pope France went and got a group of top experts that he got in from outside of the Church that control it now, so as to try and make the Church look good in the media eyes to help promote themselves to the majority, just like the Queen of England did after Diana was out the way, the Queen dropped the ball on her true position as Queen, just as the RCC has dropped the ball on it's true position and entered into the worldly realm of fools and is controlled by the media now. or the media would of destroyed them both by now.
    So it's about playing the game. only that the average person does not know anything has changed due to there ignorance.
    The Media has all the Churches and Monarch in the bag, as they are all it's slaves now.

    Look at how Lady Diana was a total whore puppet for the media and they made her look good and called her "the peoples princess" ? she was the Media's lap dog and she was just a stupid slut in fact, who would want some one like that in your family, how embarrassing it was for the Queen to have something like that running loose like a mongrel dog, not to mention in bed with filthy Arabs like that. but the media made out that she was a Saint and the majority just swallowed it all because the media calls the tone and all the morons just follow along with the show that they peddle. and that's how we have the media show of the RCC coming out looking like it's reformed, when it's truly dead and rotten to the core now.
     
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    That leads to another question. Who or what is the beast of the earth?
     
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    My own theory on that (and it's just a theory) is that the Cardinals figured electing a Jesuit Pope could create controversy in some quarters; and they figured the controversy might not be worth it. I honestly don't know why a Pope didn't dismantle the order ages ago. Take their defiance of official Church policy to treat Jews who convert to Catholics as equals with people born as Catholics. It hasn't been that long ago that they did not permit converted Jews into their order despite the insistence from Rome that in Christ there in neither Jew nor Greek. I don't understand how they get away with things.

    I also don't understand why Pope Francis doesn't clamp down on the current Jesuit Superior General. I find that situation scandalous.

    Jesuit superior general: Satan is a 'symbolic reality'

    Vatican City, Aug 21, 2019 / 01:44 pm (CNA).- The superior general of the Society of Jesus said Aug. 21 that the devil is a symbol, but not a person.

    The devil, “exists as the personification of evil in different structures, but not in persons, because is not a person, is a way of acting evil. He is not a person like a human person. It is a way of evil to be present in human life,” Fr. Arturo Sosa, SJ, said Wednesday in an interview with Italian magazine Tempi.

    “Good and evil are in a permanent war in the human conscience and we have ways to point them out. We recognize God as good, fully good. Symbols are part of reality, and the devil exists as a symbolic reality, not as a personal reality,” he added.

    Sosa’s remarks came after he participated in a panel discussion at a Catholic gathering in Rimini, Italy, organized by the Communion and Liberation ecclesial movement.

    The Catechism of the Catholic teaches that “Satan was at first a good angel, made by God: ‘The devil and the other demons were indeed created naturally good by God, but they became evil by their own doing.’”

    Angels, the Catechism says, are “spiritual, non-corporeal beings.”

    When asked about it by a reporter, his spokesman made a bland denial.

    What the devil did the head of the Jesuits just say about Satan? - Novena

    A spokesman for the Jesuits subsequently denied that Sosa had contradicted Church doctrine.

    “Like all Catholics, Father Sosa professes and teaches what the Church professes and teaches. He does not hold a set of beliefs separate from what is contained in the doctrine of the Catholic Church”, the Jesuit representative explained.


    At almost the same time I read that story, I ran across another story about Sosa.

    Jesuit Superior General takes aim (again) at Francis critics, denounces "political struggle" in Church - Novena

    The Superior General of the Jesuit Order, Arturo Sosa, has taken aim at Pope Francis’ critics and denounced a “political struggle” within the Church.

    “There’s no doubt there’s a political struggle inside the Church”, Sosa said Monday at a press conference at the Foreign Press Club in Rome, as AFP reports.

    Sosa, who in 2016 became the first Latin American head of one of the Church’s most numerous, most respected and most influential religious orders, explained how he sees Pope Francis’ priorities.

    “Pope Francis’ struggle is against clericalism and the exercise of power within the Church.

    The Pope proposes a synodal Church – that is, participatory and that collectively takes decisions – against clericalism”, explained Sosa, who is also a renowned university professor and political scientist.

    It makes Sosa look like a "hit man" (I can't find the right word) of the Pope while disagreeing with Church doctrine; and the Pope does nothing? I honestly do not understand what the talk about a "synodal Church" is about or even what it means. I admit I am very confused. What is the disgraced Cardinal Pell up to? Why can't he just go away and stop trying to influence Church policy and apparently undermine Pope Francis? I think the Pope gave him a lot of liberty -- I'd have gotten rid of him real fast -- Francis was too tolerant if you ask me. Now Pell in his jail cell seems to be biting at the Pope?

    February 2019 Pell takes issue with Francis from prison

    Cardinal George Pell has written a letter from prison in which he appears to take issue with the idea of the forthcoming Amazon synod as conceived by Pope Francis.

    The letter was posted on Twitter by the Cardinal George Pell Supporters account. Because prison inmates are not allowed to post on social media or ask others to post for them, the justice authorities in Victoria are now investigating whether the letter is in breach of prison rules. “Any prisoner found to be contravening prison regulations faces disciplinary action,” a justice department spokeswoman said.

    The twitter account, which used the handle @pellcardinal, has now been deleted.

    Cardinal Pell’s letter from prison thanks supporters for their prayers and says he is “disturbed” by the preparations for the forthcoming synod on the Amazon.

    The text of the two-page, handwritten letter – images of which were shared with CNA and confirmed by sources close to Pell – has been circulated amongst a group of Pell’s closest supporters in Australia.

    In the letter, dated from Melbourne Assessment Prison on 1 August, Pell says: “We have reason to be disturbed by the Instrumentum Laboris of the Amazonian Synod....This is not the first low-quality document the Synod secretariat has produced.”


    There seem to be things going on behind the scenes that we don't know about. It may have something to do with who will be the next Pope? Does it have something to do with the Gay Mafia who don't want married priests? I haven't the faintest idea.
     
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  13. brakelite

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    Interesting. Curious, and yes, confusing. But shouldn't we expect that from Mother?
    0894 בבל Babel baw-bel’
    from 01101, Greek 897 Βαβυλων; n pr loc; [BDB-93b] {See TWOT on 197 }
    AV-Babylon 257, Babylonian + 01121 3, Babel 2; 262
    Babel or Babylon= "confusion (by mixing)"
     
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  14. brakelite

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    I will come to that in due time...patience...patience. We have to finalise the identity of the first beast before we tackle the second :)
     
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    I've no idea who is wheat and who is a tare.
     
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    The Jesuit Superior General is known as the "Black Pope".

    Maybe the power structure was just revealed... Jesuit Superior General/Black Pope -> Pope -> church body.

    Just speculating here, the "first beast" could replace the Jesuit Superior General/Black Pope at some point completely doing away with the title, and opening the "Pope/White Pope" to serve him, along with the "Pope/White Pope's" followers..
     
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    Awesome writing on your website, brakelite.
     
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    I was just curious on your take, and all who are posting of course. I wasn't trying to say I was right - more like that I'm curious if anyone has a different view or information to add (or subtract from). If someone has information or sees something differently that I haven't considered, it's a positive, for me anyway.
     
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    Remember Revelation 1:1-3 first of all.
     
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    You don't need to know, God knows.

    For though the fig tree blossom not nor fruit be on the vines, Though the yield of the olive fail and the terraces produce no nourishment, Though the flocks disappear from the fold and there be no herd in the stalls,

    Yet will I rejoice in the LORD and exult in my saving God


    Peace!
     
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