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Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by brakelite, Sep 27, 2019.

  1. bbyrd009

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    a logical understanding always seems to lead to such conundrums, too!
    Nehushtan "saved" them at the time, but then became a symbol of idol. And yes even at the time the symbolism speaks huh

    we have to recall that GOD sent the snakes bc of the ppls state of mind
     
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  2. Giuliano

    Giuliano Well-Known Member

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    People have ideas about things and aren't apt to change them. So far as I can see, that passage will be a mystery as long as they hold those other opinions.
     
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    It is perplexing to say the least. . . . Why church hierarchy seems to be twiddling its thumbs seemingly oblivious to this is yet another mystery.
     
  4. Giuliano

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    Yes, their state of mind was the thing.

    I gave up trying to figure Paul out.
    I don't that much about Javan.
     
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    Giuliano Well-Known Member

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    A rabbi from Israel told me that the world for "repent" can also be read as "take comfort." I prefer that take on it. Job was no longer distressed by things. Is not man made of dust? Job had been wondering, "If a man die, shall he live again?" He could "take comfort" in the dust and ashes. It was okay.
     
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  6. brakelite

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    Yes, that is what you are told, but esoteric Catholics have been intimately linked to secret societies for centuries. First through the Templars, later through the Jesuits. You would be surprised at the number of Jesuit trained/ educated politicians in the US. Trump, Clinton, Pence, for starters. All working ostensibly against one another, but behind the scenes....
     
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  7. brakelite

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    You think if the trusted God they would have sided with Lucifer to form an opposition form of government? Byu siding with him they were effectively saying, we don't believe you are ruling in a manner we can approve of...we don't trust you to look after our best interests.
     
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  8. Giuliano

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    I'd like to know how many Supreme Court Justices went to Jesuit schools before going to Harvard or Yale. I know Kavanaugh did, but I don't know if any others did.

    Why do Catholics dominate the Supreme Court? It's astonishing to me. Then when you consider that with all those Catholics on the bench, they still can't address the abortion question, it makes me scratch my head. They can decide corporations are "persons" with the right to "free speech" but somehow can't see fetuses as "persons" with a right to live. What?

    Why is it that Republican Presidents get elected with so much evangelical support but then keep naming Catholics to the bench? Is it because Catholic schools do a better job at educating children? I think Jesuit schools are generally credited with being good at education; but then the question would be why aren't Protestants producing better schools?
     
  9. brakelite

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    Do you know the difference between exoteric and esoteric ? There has been even within the Vatican itself Masonic lodges...P2 I believe was the name for one. Other than that, what the catechumen/goyim/common herd is told by the Vatican is what the Vatican wants the world to believe. Not what is actually going on between the upper echelons of the Vatican.
    As for the Jesuits, the general public, and the Catholic pew warmer, believe the Jesuits to be just another harmless Catholic order of priests with a certain interest in education. What most do not know is that the Jesuits have been expelled from just about every nation on the planet at one time or another because of their incessant meddling with politics. The Jesuits, ever since their formation after the council of Trent, have been intent on accomplishing two goals on behalf of the Vatican. One, to destroy Protestantism. Two, to establish the Vatican/Pope as the head of a single world religious system with overriding influence in a global state. In other words, a global church/state union. The current Jesuit pope is going hell for leather in accomplishing this in his lifetime. The Jesuits have their representatives in every Protestant university , bible college, seminary in the world, disrupting Protestant principles, and teaching Catholic nuanced philosophy. Hence the current congenial relationship between so many evangelicals and Catholic leaders...the Protestant leaders have abandoned their Protestant roots. They have been led by the nose into believing Catholicism has changed. But one need only glance through the threads on this site where Catholics participate to realise that Catholicism is just as apostate as she has even been, and just as intent on standing against Bible doctrine as previous. The lie sold to the public is that she has mellowed...she no longer is interested in persecuting anyone, and even her participation in persecution in the past was the fault of a few wayward extremists in more barbaric times...and besides, the church never really persecuted anyone...she just handed heretics over to the state...it was their fault, not ours. Denial...obfuscation...deception...much of Freemasonry and most secret societies are now run by Jesuits. The occult signs and symbols throughout Catholicism are there for everyone to see...if they have eyes to see.
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    Elsewhere the obelisk was explained away as some sort of victory over paganism by Christianity because of the cross at the top...but what explanation is there for the occult solar wheel at the bottom?
     
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  10. brakelite

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    Again, it isn't what is obvious. Yes, it would appear that Jesuit education is right up there, and it is...but they aren't just teaching language and science...it is the philosophy behind the scenes...globalism...anti-Protestant theology...then add to that the powerful Jesuit influence throughout entertainment and the media and through several secret societies and 'their man' rises to the top every time. And those who continue to do their bidding., aka Reagan, are 'blessed', while those who don't, aka Kennedy, are cursed.
     
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    If you have an agenda, sometimes the best way to get it across is by appealing to people on other matters and then slipping your agenda into the mix when you have their attention. Look at how some Islamic terrorists set up charities, giving poor people free food and so on. It's a way to get support and gain power.

    That means to me Protestants need to get competitive with the Jesuits in things like language and science, or the Jesuits will continue to dominate.
     
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  12. brakelite

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    :DIn my defense, I only meant that no, it wasn't clear. I then offered an alternative.
     
  13. Prayer Warrior

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    I forgot about this. I'm tired. :(

    Would you please tell where you got all this info, these ideas. If it's from more than one source, that's okay. I would really like to know.
     
  14. brakelite

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    A prime example of what you speak of is in the Pope's encyclical of a year or so ago, laudato si. Transalion, "Care for our common home". Ostensibly a formula for looking after the planet...a Catholic green statement on the environment. But one can find within a more hidden message for global dominion...typical Jesuit motives. Many protest about this Pope because, according to them, he isn't Catholic enough. However, I would offer the opinion that he is more Catholic than any of his predecessors. The point being, the general public and to the average Catholic, true Catholicism is hidden. What they see is just the good PR...what is really going on is a continuation of Catholic hegemony.
    IN Revelation 13:1-8 is described modern Catholicism. Appearing like a leopard (Greece, from which the modern concept of hegemony originated) and having the characteristics of Babylon (pagan church/state union) Meda/Persia (power through legislation) and Rome (empirical authority bestowed by the dragon). Rome knows however that she cannot have global dominion without first conquering the USA. She is however well on the way to accomplishing that remarkable feat. Remarkable because not that long ago Catholic power within politics and/or religion in the US would have been unthinkable. Now look....

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    All at one time? Why not pick one idea? I really don't want to expound on things you may already know.
     
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    I'm not asking you to expound on anything. I just want to know your sources. Could you name a few? Are they books?
     
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    I am more cautious in assigning motives. History shows me that the Catholic Church sometimes alters its positions when a new position makes them look better. It opposed democracy until democracy became so prevalent that the traditional position made the Catholic position highly unpopular. They didn't oppose slavery until supporting slavery was seen as obnoxious. How can I judge though? Perhaps Popes saw how past positions were flawed somehow? Perhaps they learned from secular culture, switched positions and then claimed to be leaders? Other churches do the same thing too. It may not be a conscious conspiracy then but merely a series of reacting to changing culture.

    When we think about Our Lady of Babylon is, think about what a prostitute is.. She has no real agenda or goal other than selling herself to get money -- or power. Others are deciding the agenda. I cannot restrict the "fallen woman" to the Catholic Church when I can see many churches falling into the same thing. Nor can I assign bad motives to everyone in these organizations. After all, God's people are found in them; if they weren't, they could not be told to "come out."

    There is value in having a saint in a fallen church since he may be a witness for the Light and retrieve others. I think if there is any hope of helping others, God often allows it. If there is no cause for hope, the call goes forth to come out -- just as it did when angels brought Lot out of Sodom. he was a witness to the people of Sodom. None listened, but they were given a chance to learn.

    For all I know, Pope Francis could be like Lot, acting as a witness -- preceding a judgment of the Catholic Church or the world. I do not know.
     
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    Ah yes, but ultimately all power is from God. There is the power of His right hand and the power of His left hand. The left hand is the place of the goats. Goats also have a purpose in God's plan. Were the goats always goats or did they choose by what they did or did not do to become goats?
     
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    You are too focused on me and not on what I say. I asked you to pick one thing, but you demand more. Why should I become a puppet on your string? You ask too much. Now I don't feel like telling you anything. Maybe I read books. Maybe I saw some things for myself.

    It is not possible to deceive anyone earnestly seeking God. If someone is earnestly seeking God and my words are wrong, he will not believe me. If my words are right, perhaps they will ring a bell and a light will go on. If someone is not earnestly seeking God, what I write doesn't matter at all.

    Read what I wrote, and dismiss it if it doesn't ring true for you.
     
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  20. brakelite

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    So, what is so "Antichrist" about the above beast as described in Revelation 13:1-8?
    Let me repeat the actual text...interspersed with an explantion and comparison with the life of Christ.

    1 ¶ And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea,
    Did not Jesus also begin His ministry by coming up out of water?
    Luke 3:21 ¶ Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,
    22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
    23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,


    having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
    The beast resembles the dragon, Satan. (See Revelation 12:3) Jesus also resembled His Father. (Hebrews 1:3;
    John 14:9)

    Jesus also has many crowns...
    Revelation 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
    and is described metaphorically as having seven horns ...
    Revelation 5:6 ¶ And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.


    2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
    Jesus receives His throne, His power and authority from His Father...
    Matt.28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

    Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
    Lu 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:


    3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
    4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
    5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
    Jesus also spent 42 months, 3 1/2 years in ministry until His death. (Gospel of John, Revelation 5:6)
    Like the beast, Jesus was also resurrected, healed from a mortal wound. (Revelation 1:18)


    6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
    7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
    8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
    And like the beast, Jesus received worship and adoration after He was resurrected. (Matthew 28:17; Revelation 5:6-14)

    So it can be clearly seen that the beast of Revelation 13, a union of church and state, is indeed Antichrist, a counterfeit religious system taking the place of Christ, existing and operating in the room of Christ.
    Next we shall see what specific union of church and state, if any, meets the above criteria, and also claims the offices of Prophet, Priest, and KIng.

    I understand this may be upsetting for some. But as you can see, I am not making this up. Nor can it be coincidence. This is the way the Bible is written. Now does current events and history reflect this prophetic scenario?
     
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