Identifying The Eight Kings Of revelation 17:10-11

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As far as I am aware of, no one - Christian or otherwise - has ever successfully identified the eight kings of Revelation 17:10. Many have tried, including many of the Early Church Fathers. Because of the dominance of the Imperial Roman Empire in the first century A.D., many of those same Church Fathers tried to find the answer in successive Roman Emperors, usually beginning with the tyrant Nero.

The study of eschatology or end-time prophecy came to an end within the Western Church around the fourth century A.D. when St Augustine determined that it was beyond understanding, and even dangerous. The study of eschatological prophecies was renewed with the Protestant Reformation in the sixteenth century A.D. The early Reformers, and those that followed them, usually picked up where the Early Church Fathers left off since they were well acquainted with their writings and saw, as a result, various Imperial Roman Emperors as the fulfillment of the prophecy. That there were literally hundreds of Imperial Roman Emperors didn't seem to be enough to deter most interpreters; they simply picked the Emperors who they believed better fit their paradigm, then named those specific emperors as the fulfillment of the prophecy of the eight kings.

Regardless of the sincerity of the various theologians and apologists who have attempted, over the centuries, to interpret the prophecy, sadly, error usually begets error, and by the early nineteenth century A.D. a quasi-Revised Roman Empire had grown out of the attempts to force Imperial Roman Emperors into the fulfillment of the prophecy which is Revelation 17:10. This led directly to other misinterpretations of other eschatological prophecies. The end result, sadly, has been the Church as a whole has been misled and, as a result, "can not see the forrest for the errors." Today the Church, especially in America, looks for an eschatological paradigm where some form of a quasi-Revised Roman Empire (the Fourth Beast of Daniel 7) becomes the vehicle which allows the Antichrist to come to power; usually through the United Nations. Gog, of the land of MaGog is, in many of these same paradigms, is usually the Russians (formerly the atheistic Soviet Union), and in extreme Protestant circles the Roman Catholic Church becomes "Mystery Babylon" of Revelation 17, the heretical religion of the great Beast which is the Kingdom (Empire) of the Antichrist, etc.

Any eschatological paradigm can - and must! - be tested. Just as scientific theories must be tested before they are accepted as truth, eschatological paradigms must also be tested before they are ever accepted as truth. And the way to test any eschatological paradigm is simple - all eschatological prophecies from both the Old and New Testaments must fit into the new paradigm without being forced. For example, one can not attempt to trace the migration of the ancient people known as the Scythians throughout the many centuries, which is virtually impossible since the history of their migrations is incomplete, simply because one believes that the Scythians were the original inhabitants of "The Land of MaGog" and, over the centuries, eventually migrated into Russia. Thus, Russia, of their preconceived beliefs, must be "the Land of Magog."

Moreover, any eschatological paradigm must also solve any of what I like to term 'mysteries' of eschatological prophecies. And again, it must do so in a convincing fashion, not forced as the eight emperors (kings) of the hundreds of Imperial Roman Emperors which where chosen, were chosen simply to be forced into the prophecy which is Revelation 17:10 in order to come up with an answer to the mystery which is the literal fulfillment of the prophecy.

That brings us to the purpose of this article - to correctly answer, for the first time in Church history, the mystery of who the eight kings of Revelation 17:10 are. In doing so the paradigm, as I understand it, easily answers the prophecy which is Revelation 17:10. "This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while. The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction" Rev. 17:10-11.

The "Five who have fallen" can be none other than the only five Caliphs (kings) the Islamic Empire has ever known since its inception in the sixth century A.D. 1. Muhammad, 2. Abu Bakr, 3. Omar, 4. Umar and 5. Ali.

Because the Islamic Empire, since the death of the last Caliph, Ali, and the ensuring civil war, which is known to history as The War of the Camels, has been a divided empire (Sunni and Shiite), Islam has not known a sixth caliph for nearly fourteen hundred years. Under Islamic tradition, there can not be a sixth caliph until the empire is first reunited.

The sixth Caliph (king), then, is "Gog, of the land of MaGog" (Ezek. 38, 39) who reunites the Islamic Empire (the Fourth Beast/Empire of Daniel 7) in an attempt to annihilate the modern Jewish state of Israel (Ezek. 37).

Gog, and his coalition force (empire) is defeated by God, and Gog dies "on the mountains of Israel" (Ezek. 39:2). This is the "mortal head wound" suffered by the first beast of Revelation 13:3. The "first beast" of Revelation 13 is the Islamic Caliphate, but more on this in a minute. The death of "Gog," "on the mountains of Israel" opens the way for the seventh king (Caliph), known to Scripture as The False Prophet, but known to Islam as al-Mahdi (the Mahdi) of Islamic eschatological anticipations.

al Mahdi of Islamic eschatological anticipations is a forerunner - a sort of John the Baptist to "Jesus, son of Mary" of Islamic eschatological anticipation. (This is not the place to go into a detailed explanation of who, exactly, "Jesus, son of Mary" is in Islamic eschatology, or how they will perceive him. But it is enough here to say that "Jesus, son of Mary" is the Antichrist (Greek anti = imitation of). Thus, as is foretold in the Hadith (Traditions) of Islam, al Mahdi will welcome "Jesus, son of Mary" as Caliph, and even abdicates (must remain for a little while) his power and position to "Jesus, son of Mary." Thus, making "Jesus, son of Mary," who is the Antichrist, the eighth and final king (caliph).

As we alluded to earlier, "The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction" (Rev. 17:11). "He belongs to the seven" simply means that the eighth king (Caliph) belongs to the Caliphate (the seven) which preceded him. This Caliphate, then, is the "beast" "coming out of the sea [of humanity]. He had ten horns [the ten kingdoms of Ezekiel 38 which make up the empire/beast of Daniel 7] and seven heads {the Caliphate]....Rev 13:1.
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Doesn't really matter now just who exactly... 6 of the kings of Rev.17 were, because according to Apostle John "one is" was the 6th king in his days, and John's days have been history for over 1900 years now.


Rev 17:10-11
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
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The ten kings of Rev.17:12 are not here yet, and they are different kings than the 8 of the previous verses.


The coming 7th king is the 2nd beast of Rev.13. He's the 8th king according to John also. It's Satan, the Devil. That's what Christ is revealing, because the 7th king is the coming Antichrist in the final days of this world. And since that Antichrist is the 2nd beast of Rev.13, and ALSO the 8th king, it means what? Doesn't take a whole lot to figure out that if the 7th king is the final Antichrist, and it's Christ's return that defeats him, then the 8th king HAS to be for what time? The end of Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Rev.20. So 'who' is it that is loosed one final time from the pit to go tempt the nations at the end of Christ's future thousand years reign? Satan himself (Rev.20:7-10). No brainer.
 

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Doesn't really matter now just who exactly... 6 of the kings of Rev.17 were, because according to Apostle John "one is" was the 6th king in his days, and John's days have been history for over 1900 years now.


Rev 17:10-11
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
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The ten kings of Rev.17:12 are not here yet, and they are different kings than the 8 of the previous verses.


The coming 7th king is the 2nd beast of Rev.13. He's the 8th king according to John also. It's Satan, the Devil. That's what Christ is revealing, because the 7th king is the coming Antichrist in the final days of this world. And since that Antichrist is the 2nd beast of Rev.13, and ALSO the 8th king, it means what? Doesn't take a whole lot to figure out that if the 7th king is the final Antichrist, and it's Christ's return that defeats him, then the 8th king HAS to be for what time? The end of Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Rev.20. So 'who' is it that is loosed one final time from the pit to go tempt the nations at the end of Christ's future thousand years reign? Satan himself (Rev.20:7-10). No brainer.

Satan is not the "second beast" of Revelation 13. That is, in fact, the False Prophet [al-Mahdi]. Identifying one's eschatological characters is of the utmost importance if one is to fully understand eschatology.

You fail, my friend, to take into account the fact that John was "taken in the Spirit" (Rev 1:10) into the future, probably much like any prophet before him, where he "saw" these things, probably as they were actually taking place. So "the king that is" is merely a reference to where, exactly, he was at the moment in prophetic time...Obviously, if the "five kings that were" had already come and gone, and they existed between 600 A.D. and 680 A.D., in John's vision he was way past that point in time so that he could see "the one that is." So the "sixth king," or the "one that is" is of great importance to a proper eschatological understanding...The Holy Spirit gives us these eschatological prophecies for a reason; it is not simply an academic exercise.

Richard Neal - author Kingdom of the Antichrist
 

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Satan is not the "second beast" of Revelation 13. That is, in fact, the False Prophet [al-Mahdi]. Identifying one's eschatological characters is of the utmost importance if one is to fully understand eschatology.

THANK YOU! You just identified yourself with that statement in bold.

That statement in bold that the coming false messiah is going to be an Islamic al-Mahdi is orthodox Jewish doctrine, NOT Christian doctrine from The Bible.

The reason is simple. It's because Christ said the false one coming will be 'a pseudo-Christ' per Matt.24:24 and Mark 13:22. And that means a fake 'Messiah'. The ONLY qualifier for the 'idea' of MESSIAH is in God's Word, not the Islamic Koran.

Islam does NOT have a Jewish Messiah, they never have, and never will!
 

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THANK YOU! You just identified yourself with that statement in bold.

That statement in bold that the coming false messiah is going to be an Islamic al-Mahdi is orthodox Jewish doctrine, NOT Christian doctrine from The Bible.

The reason is simple. It's because Christ said the false one coming will be 'a pseudo-Christ' per Matt.24:24 and Mark 13:22. And that means a fake 'Messiah'. The ONLY qualifier for the 'idea' of MESSIAH is in God's Word, not the Islamic Koran.

Islam does NOT have a Jewish Messiah, they never have, and never will!

You must have misunderstood what I was trying to say?...I did not say that the coming false messiah will be "al-Mahdi" of Islamic eschatology. I thought I was clear when I stated that the second "beast" of Revelation 13 is the False Prophet, aka al-Mahdi? I apologize if you misunderstood what I worte.

So we have a clearer understanding of the term "anti christ"; John coined the term late in the 1st century A.D. However, everyone agrees that his "Antichrist" is the same eschatological figure known to Paul as "the man of lawlessness, of Daniel's "little horn," etc, etc...John's term "anti christ," however, is the most helpful term, I believe in specifically identifying this particular eschatological character. And my reasoning is simple: In Greek the prefix "anti" can mean, as it does in English, "against," or "in opposition to." But it can also mean "in imitation of." And I believe this was the meaning John had in mind when he coined the term. So, "Anti-Christ" literally means "an imitation Christ."

This brings us to the question of Christology. Jesus Christ Himself was the first to raise the Christological question (Mk 8:27). The early Church, as you know, debated this question above all others for over 400 years. The answer to the question actually divided the Church and caused great violence within the Roman Empire. Nevertheless, the Christological question was answered at the Ecumenical Councils of Nicaea (325 A.D.) and Constantinople (381 A.D.). As a consequence, orthodox Christology is defined as Jesus Christ being both 100% man and, at the same time, 100% God and part of the Trinity which is Father, Son and Holy Spirit...However, many Gnostics, the same Gnostic "super apostles" Paul battled throughout his ministry (2nd Cor 11:5) and which, according to Polycarp, caused John to write his fourth Gospel, taught various Christological beliefs which the Church continuously rejected over the centuries as heretical. Nevertheless, Gnosticism continued to spread throughout North Africa, Arabia and even in parts of Europe. We see remnants of these Gnostics today in the form of Mormonism, Islam, Jehovah Witnesses, etc. All these heretical sects have one thing in common - they all share a heretical Christology that teaches Jesus Christ was a mere man, prophet, in essence a man created at some point in time. Thus, he is not God incarnate.

It is the heretical "imitation Christ" that Jesus, Paul, John and many of the Early Church Fathers all had in mind when they preached and taught against the Antichrist...Thus we must look to one of the heretical Gnostic groups today to see which one fulfills all the various eschatological prophecies from Scripture. And I argue in my book, Kingdom of the Antichrist, that Islam is the only religious empire in history that can fulfill all those prophecies.

Oh, and Islam does teach that "Jesus, son of Mary" is, indeed, the Christ, because the Koran and Hadiths use the name "Jesus Christ" many times when speaking about Him. We both know "Christ" is the Greek transliteration of the Hebrew "Messiah." Consequently, I would argue that Islam does, indeed, look forward to an eschatological Messiah - "Jesus, son of Mary."

Richard Neal - author Kingdom of the Antichrist
 

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The 2nd beast of Rev.13:11 forward IS the coming pseudo-Christ, dragon and... false prophet, all rolled into one. Rev.19:20 revealed this by showing only the 'dragon' won't go into the lake of fire until after Christ's thousand years reign. They are all roles for the devil, for that's who is coming to play Christ on earth.
 

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You must have misunderstood what I was trying to say?...I did not say that the coming false messiah will be "al-Mahdi" of Islamic eschatology. I thought I was clear when I stated that the second "beast" of Revelation 13 is the False Prophet, aka al-Mahdi? I apologize if you misunderstood what I worte.

Now that I have more time for a better response...

Saying that Islam's proposed al-Mahdi is the 2nd beast of Rev.13:11 forward is... equating their al-Mahdi with the coming 'pseudo-Christ' (pseudochristos) that Jesus forewarned of in Matt.24:24 and Mark 13:22. The coming 'pseudo-Christ', or Antichrist if you will, is NOT coming in the role of any flesh prophet religious figure of Islam. The pseudo-Christ one is coming in the role of Jesus Christ Messiah, not the al-Mahdi.

Islam has NO Messiah, for The Messiah is an Israelite revelation from The God of Israel. If Islam believed in the coming of The Messiah then they would be converts to Judaism. That's what makes that al-Mahdi idea so crazy.


And there is no specific false prophet mentioned in the Rev.13 chapter. The only Revelation Scripture association of the title of 'false prophet' exists in Rev.16:13; Rev.19:20, and Rev.20:10.

Per Rev.16:13, 3 unclean spirits, the spirits of devils, come out of the mouth of the dragon, of the beast, and of the false prophet.

Per Rev.19:20, it's the false prophet that works miracles to deceive those who take the mark of the beast. That's the nearest association to the 2nd beast of Rev.13:11 forward. Yet the title of the 'dragon' is what is given for the 2nd beast in Rev.13.

Since the beast and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire just prior to the start of Christ's thousand years reign, and no one born flesh is judged to go into the lake of fire until after... Christ's thousand years, that means the beast and false prophets are ROLES the 'dragon' will perform. Notice the 'dragon' is NOT... cast into the lake of fire yet in Rev.19:20. And per Rev.12:9, "dragon" is simply another one of Satan's many titles.

Thus the Rev.16:13 and 19:20 verses about the false prophet and dragon are simply other direct pointers to Satan as the coming Antichrist, or 'pseudo-Christ', lawless one, the man of sin, that Wicked (one), etc. The al-Mahdi speculation is from 'false Jews' trying to keep God's people from understanding that the Devil himself is who the Scriptures is pointing to coming to play The Christ, i.e., the Devil coming to deceive the whole world into bowing to him in place of God. He did it once before; he's going to do it again.

The specific sin that Satan did to cause God to end the old world and bring this present world is the very same sin that is going to end this present world.


So we have a clearer understanding of the term "anti christ"; John coined the term late in the 1st century A.D. However, everyone agrees that his "Antichrist" is the same eschatological figure known to Paul as "the man of lawlessness, of Daniel's "little horn," etc, etc...John's term "anti christ," however, is the most helpful term, I believe in specifically identifying this particular eschatological character. And my reasoning is simple: In Greek the prefix "anti" can mean, as it does in English, "against," or "in opposition to." But it can also mean "in imitation of." And I believe this was the meaning John had in mind when he coined the term. So, "Anti-Christ" literally means "an imitation Christ."

You're right on the nail with that. But you apparently have yet to consider the coming Antichrist as the Devil himself, in person, on this earth in our near future. And that when Christ clearly revealed his being cast down to this earth with his angels for the end (Rev.12:7 forward).


This brings us to the question of Christology. Jesus Christ Himself was the first to raise the Christological question (Mk 8:27). The early Church, as you know, debated this question above all others for over 400 years. The answer to the question actually divided the Church and caused great violence within the Roman Empire. Nevertheless, the Christological question was answered at the Ecumenical Councils of Nicaea (325 A.D.) and Constantinople (381 A.D.). As a consequence, orthodox Christology is defined as Jesus Christ being both 100% man and, at the same time, 100% God and part of the Trinity which is Father, Son and Holy Spirit...However, many Gnostics, the same Gnostic "super apostles" Paul battled throughout his ministry (2nd Cor 11:5) and which, according to Polycarp, caused John to write his fourth Gospel, taught various Christological beliefs which the Church continuously rejected over the centuries as heretical. Nevertheless, Gnosticism continued to spread throughout North Africa, Arabia and even in parts of Europe. We see remnants of these Gnostics today in the form of Mormonism, Islam, Jehovah Witnesses, etc. All these heretical sects have one thing in common - they all share a heretical Christology that teaches Jesus Christ was a mere man, prophet, in essence a man created at some point in time. Thus, he is not God incarnate.

It is the heretical "imitation Christ" that Jesus, Paul, John and many of the Early Church Fathers all had in mind when they preached and taught against the Antichrist...Thus we must look to one of the heretical Gnostic groups today to see which one fulfills all the various eschatological prophecies from Scripture. And I argue in my book, Kingdom of the Antichrist, that Islam is the only religious empire in history that can fulfill all those prophecies.

Well, you're correct about Christ's Identity. But your book is wrong that the coming Antichrist will be some flesh prophet trying to play Messiah with spiritual powers of miracles to deceive those on earth. The coming Antichrist/pseudo-Christ is reserved for Satan himself on earth, which is why we were told the coming great tribulation will be a time of trouble on this earth that has never been before in this world's history, nor ever will be a time like it again.

So if you LISTEN to what heretical groups believe like the Gnostics, occult secret societies like the Rosicrucians, Theosophy, New Age Aquarians, etc., then you will be deceived. You cannot get any closer to the Truth than what God's Word has already revealed. If your book is based from what those heretics believe, then you are going to depart many Christian brethren away from God's Truth in His Word about the coming 'pseudo-Christ' as Satan himself coming to play The Christ-Messiah.


Oh, and Islam does teach that "Jesus, son of Mary" is, indeed, the Christ, because the Koran and Hadiths use the name "Jesus Christ" many times when speaking about Him. We both know "Christ" is the Greek transliteration of the Hebrew "Messiah." Consequently, I would argue that Islam does, indeed, look forward to an eschatological Messiah - "Jesus, son of Mary."

Islam teaches about Isa as Jesus, and as a prophet only and not The Only Begotten Son of God. IF... they truly believed Jesus of Nazareth was The Christ-Messiah, then they would be Christian converts now wouldn't they???

So your claim that Islam believes Jesus of Nazareth is The Christ is a FALSE statement.
 

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Now that I have more time for a better response...

Saying that Islam's proposed al-Mahdi is the 2nd beast of Rev.13:11 forward is... equating their al-Mahdi with the coming 'pseudo-Christ' (pseudochristos) that Jesus forewarned of in Matt.24:24 and Mark 13:22. The coming 'pseudo-Christ', or Antichrist if you will, is NOT coming in the role of any flesh prophet religious figure of Islam. The pseudo-Christ one is coming in the role of Jesus Christ Messiah, not the al-Mahdi.

Again, the 2nd beast of Revelation 13:11 is NOT the Antichrist, but rather he is the infamous Fale Prophet. You keep arguing that the 2nd beast is the Antichrist when he is not.

Islam has NO Messiah, for The Messiah is an Israelite revelation from The God of Israel. If Islam believed in the coming of The Messiah then they would be converts to Judaism. That's what makes that al-Mahdi idea so crazy.

Islam doesn't need a "messiah" to worship the Antichrist. Again, your spirit is strong, but you need to study first-century Gnosticism and the writings of the Early Church Fathers so you can have a better understanding of what Scripture is talking about in these eschatological prophecies...


And there is no specific false prophet mentioned in the Rev.13 chapter. The only Revelation Scripture association of the title of 'false prophet' exists in Rev.16:13; Rev.19:20, and Rev.20:10.

Again Revelation 13:11 is the False Prophet - "He exercised all the authority of the first beast." If the first beast of Revelation 13:1 is the same fourth beast of Daniel, then it is an empire which comes out of "the sea" of humanity...If the 2nd beast "exercised all the authority of the first beast," then he must be either a king or a religious leader - or, as in this case, both...He will be al-Mahdi - the prophesied reformer, prophet sent by Allah to the Islamic ummi (world-wide community = empire)...He will also be the seventh king of the Islamic Empire (Rev 17:10).

Per Rev.16:13, 3 unclean spirits, the spirits of devils, come out of the mouth of the dragon, of the beast, and of the false prophet.

Per Rev.19:20, it's the false prophet that works miracles to deceive those who take the mark of the beast. That's the nearest association to the 2nd beast of Rev.13:11 forward. Yet the title of the 'dragon' is what is given for the 2nd beast in Rev.13.

Since the beast and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire just prior to the start of Christ's thousand years reign, and no one born flesh is judged to go into the lake of fire until after... Christ's thousand years, that means the beast and false prophets are ROLES the 'dragon' will perform. Notice the 'dragon' is NOT... cast into the lake of fire yet in Rev.19:20. And per Rev.12:9, "dragon" is simply another one of Satan's many titles.

Thus the Rev.16:13 and 19:20 verses about the false prophet and dragon are simply other direct pointers to Satan as the coming Antichrist, or 'pseudo-Christ', lawless one, the man of sin, that Wicked (one), etc. The al-Mahdi speculation is from 'false Jews' trying to keep God's people from understanding that the Devil himself is who the Scriptures is pointing to coming to play The Christ, i.e., the Devil coming to deceive the whole world into bowing to him in place of God. He did it once before; he's going to do it again.

The specific sin that Satan did to cause God to end the old world and bring this present world is the very same sin that is going to end this present world.




You're right on the nail with that. But you apparently have yet to consider the coming Antichrist as the Devil himself, in person, on this earth in our near future. And that when Christ clearly revealed his being cast down to this earth with his angels for the end (Rev.12:7 forward).

St Paul specifically tells us that the Antichrist is a man - "...that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed..." (2nd Thess 3:2)...Surely the Holy Spirit would never call Satan, an exalted arch-angel of the highest order a mere "man?"




Well, you're correct about Christ's Identity. But your book is wrong that the coming Antichrist will be some flesh prophet trying to play Messiah with spiritual powers of miracles to deceive those on earth. The coming Antichrist/pseudo-Christ is reserved for Satan himself on earth, which is why we were told the coming great tribulation will be a time of trouble on this earth that has never been before in this world's history, nor ever will be a time like it again.

Again, you can't seem to get by this "messiah" thing, or the orthodox position that Jesus Christ is, in fact, God...If the world believed in the orthodox christology of the Church, there would never be an Antichrist!...Christ told us specifically that there will be many who will claim to be Christ (Matt 24:4). And we both would agree that many have come over the centuries and have, indeed, claimed to be Jesus Christ...I'm confident, however, when I say that all of these impostors were men - and that not one of them ever performed a true miracle...Nevertheless, they should all be considered false christs per our Lord's prophecy...Why, then, do you insist that the ultimate false christ - the Antichrist - must be a "messiah" and he can not be a man, he must be Satan...You allow your preconceived beliefs to lead you into poor interpretations of Scripture...

So if you LISTEN to what heretical groups believe like the Gnostics, occult secret societies like the Rosicrucians, Theosophy, New Age Aquarians, etc., then you will be deceived. You cannot get any closer to the Truth than what God's Word has already revealed. If your book is based from what those heretics believe, then you are going to depart many Christian brethren away from God's Truth in His Word about the coming 'pseudo-Christ' as Satan himself coming to play The Christ-Messiah.

One can not understand large sections of the New Testament, specifically large portions of Paul's works and John's Gospel along with his three epistles if one does not possess at least a rudimentary understanding of Gnosticism, specifically first and second century Gnosticism...You may argue and say that I am wrong, simply because you have never heard this claim before, but one could only argue against my claim if one does not possess at least a rudimentary understanding of Gnosticism...Do yourself a favor, and I say this in all sincerity, study up on first and second century Gnosticism. Doing so will open your eyes in ways you've never imagined...




Islam teaches about Isa as Jesus, and as a prophet only and not The Only Begotten Son of God. IF... they truly believed Jesus of Nazareth was The Christ-Messiah, then they would be Christian converts now wouldn't they???

"Isa" is the Arabic rendering of the Greek "Jesus" (Hebrew = Yeshua)...I'll take things one step further - The only unforgivable sin in Islam is to believe in the Christian Trinity and the divinity of Jesus Christ. So you are right, for muslims "The Only Begotten Son of God" is blasphemy...But no where in Scripture are we told that the believers in the Antichrist must believe in the orthodox christology of the Church...The whole point of the exercise is that the christological beliefs of the followers of the Antichrist will be heretical...Indeed, the whole argument for nearly four centuries between the orthodox Church and the heretical (Gnostic) brethren was the differences between the orthodox Christology of the Church and the various heretical Christologies of Gnosticism....

So your claim that Islam believes Jesus of Nazareth is The Christ is a FALSE statement.