Idolatry
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There are interwoven within the conversation. Now if you would like to reply to the original post please go there and consider the information and don’t forget that just quoting “Jesus name is above all names” doesnt mean that Jesus is above his Father, he is found to be in subjection to him. However if you desire a strict Bible verses by verse on these things, I don’t see how adding a verse such as “name above all names.” Helps, when asking a sincere question pertaining to the topic of “Yhvhs” name.
Do you believe Jesus seen his Father less than him?
Cause that is what is seemingly suggested when we look at a revelation but also don’t believe the Lord, and seek to do things the way he done concerning relationship to his Father such as even making his “name” known.
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amigo de christo
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most folks today would be singing
leaning , leaning , safe and secure in the arms of .............fill in biden or trump .
BAD NEWS pards .
Shall we gather at the river
has become shall we gather at the trump or biden or denomination .
It is not looking good my friend .
LOOK who gathered at the feet of bad kings and bad leadership .
Look again at what God through the prophet had warned the king of juda
who had went to help support the king of israel .
common ground , co exist , bridge building and etc , IT HAS COME OF DARKNESS johann .
And though it will cloak good works within it , IT will lead every last one to PERDITOIN .
THE churches , media , both sides of politics and the false relgions as well as the realm of christendom
are under the sway and the version of love preached OF ANTI CHRIST . I SAID IT . OF ANTI CHRIST and NOT GOD .
and its getting worse all the time , every day and every hour of said day .
Almost all of even christendom is now even under it to some degree . The scholars have led this people to destruction
and much of the greek is used for an agenda now to serve anti christ .
As well as most all commenataries of men . The influence is wide spread and grows like a green bray tree in lots of water .
THEY GONNA GET THEM every way they can . but the sheep , THEY CANNOT overcome , for the sheep
IS and are GONNA HEED JESUS THE CHRIST and stay in that bible .
amigo de christo
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To whom do you address this . OH i ask this not because i dont know who it is
but to make you think . YOU is speaking to an inclusivian .
One who has downplayed the deadly destructions that shall be given unto all WHO REFUSED TO BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
and he , like others will get worse . Some are worse than others , but all
who enter into this realm WILL GO from only bad to worse , IF THEY DO NOT return to that bible .
You are writing to a man who has well admitted his failure of reading the scrips .
OH he has read some of that bible , But it is not his meat . This i say not to accuse the man
HE has already condmened himself . But that dont meant i wont continue in prayer for said man
and to continue as i am led to warn and to remind said man .
JOHANN the love of anti christ , the false hope it offers up has come upon many
and the longer they stay in it the worse they will get .
amigo de christo
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johann , its not looking good my friend . for years have i warned and yet for years has it got only worse .
Anti christ knows how to reach each group and it will do so as does the chameleon .
THEY will not agree on doctrine , but that which they will agree with will be anti christ false love and false hope .
The hope that has taken away from even the book of revelation and its warnings
as it has taken away even certain teachings of JESUS himself , as well as the apostels .
Many now embrace it , to them it is seen as a loving god that offers up hope .
to a lamb it is anti christ pandering to the hopes of men and leading them into great darkness .
I cannot stop it johann . NO MAN CAN . GOD has allowed it .
AS HE HAS ALLOWED the strong delusion to be given unto all who rejected the love of the truth .
THE END of all flesh is coming . The day draws nigh and the hour is very late .
And most are as the son in laws of lott . MOCKING those who warn and are serious
and remind that are reminding all of the dire need to repent and to beleive on JESUS the CHRIST .
a false hope offers up a false love and a false love and those who hope in that god , ARE DOOMED TO PERDTION .
IF we love we warn . if we like many love not , THEN WE WONT warn and will just hug and try and get along and find common ground .
ITS NOT LOOKING good johann . ITS NOT looking good at all . And no matter how the tears do fall
no matter how i desired not the death of the wicked but rather they would repent ,
NO MAN CAN STAY THE JUDGMENT , the RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT OF GOD
which though HE desired the wicked to repent , and they would not , WILL DELIVER unto this world .
ALL i can do is warn .
ALL i can do , by grace is to do what i have from the beginning , from the TIME the grace of GOD himself
did appear to one of the worst like me . GET IN THAT BIBLE and READ and do all to remind all of them words
and to get them NOSE DEEP IN IT .
Ziggy
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Jesus told us to Pray to the Father. That is how the Son addressed him.
I call God Father.
Is it possible by using any other name is a form of idolatry?
You notice how in the OT, God said but by my name Jehovah they did not know me?
Did they know him by Father?
How does God want to be addressed and acknowledged?
I believe his Son gave us that answer.
Idolatry is placing anything, any name, any image, any likeness of anything above the knowledge and truth of who God is.
God is Father.
Jer 31:9
They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.
Jhn 8:18
I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
Jhn 16:28
I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
Jhn 17:11
And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
What is God's name? Holy Father... Jesus said so right there.
In the name of the Father...
Look if God isn't your Father or you don't acknowldge him as Father,
I don't know what to say.
Hugs
I call God Father.
Is it possible by using any other name is a form of idolatry?
You notice how in the OT, God said but by my name Jehovah they did not know me?
Did they know him by Father?
How does God want to be addressed and acknowledged?
I believe his Son gave us that answer.
Idolatry is placing anything, any name, any image, any likeness of anything above the knowledge and truth of who God is.
God is Father.
Jer 31:9
They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.
Jhn 8:18
I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
Jhn 16:28
I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
Jhn 17:11
And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
What is God's name? Holy Father... Jesus said so right there.
In the name of the Father...
Look if God isn't your Father or you don't acknowldge him as Father,
I don't know what to say.
Hugs
amigo de christo
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Oh trump talks with me and he walks with me . THIS IS THE SONG of many now
as is oh harris walks with me and she talks with me .
THEY HAVE THEIR HOPES IN THE WRONG STUFF johann .
THEM men of belial will pay a dear price for leading christendom astray .
And as much as i hate and despise every word of their false hope false love doctine
STILL i desire them to repent . BUT THEM WOLVES and their doctrine , WILL BE EXPOSED .
GO to and behold who surrounded the bad kings . WHOM did the majority of people embrace
AND WHOM did the bad kings and bad people reject .
WOE unto thee when men shall speak well of thee for so did they unto THE FALSE PROPHETS
Yet many follow the false ones on both sides and they will merge as one . NOT UNDER DOCTRINE
but under false love and false hope and false doctrine .
WHO surrounded biden , obama , the left . THE FALSE LIBERAL camp did .
WHO surrounded trump and gave voice to his rise . THE FALSE NAR PROSPERITY DID .
IT WAS THE FALSE ONES WHO LEAPED UP and led their churches RIGHT INTO ALL HOPE In that man .
THAT IS A BAD SIGN johann . A BAD ONE .
since when did the false ever lead anyone IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION or to the right man . NEVER .
THE POLITICS of both sides use GOD in name only and both support wicked sins .
AND though for years and years and through the decades
GOD SENT men to warn , THE MANY refused to repent . AND NOW
in this last generation , marvel not that a strong reprobation delusional mindset has
come to seduce the lott of them RIGHT INTO A LIE by which they will all be damned .
OH i think folks dont realize GOD does that . WHEN he warns and sends men to warn
and the peoples just wont repent , YOU READ THE BIBLE and SEE WHAT HE DOES to said people .
The situation you describe is indeed dire, but it aligns with what the Bible has long forewarned. Here are some passages that speak directly to the issues you've raised:
The Rise of Deception and Falsehood:
"For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect." (Matthew 24:24, ESV)
"For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths." (2 Timothy 4:3-4, ESV)
The Strong Delusion:
"Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness." (2 Thessalonians 2:11-12, ESV)
Judgment is Inevitable:
"The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed." (2 Peter 3:9-10, ESV)
"For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?" (1 Peter 4:17, ESV)
The Urgency of Repentance:
"Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus." (Acts 3:19-20, ESV)
"The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead." (Acts 17:30-31, ESV)
The Importance of Persevering in Truth:
"But the one who endures to the end will be saved." (Matthew 24:13, ESV)
"Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful." (Hebrews 10:23, ESV)
Our Call to Warn Others:
"But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet so that the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any one of them, that person is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at the watchman's hand." (Ezekiel 33:6, ESV)
"Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them." (Ephesians 5:11, NIV)
You are right to feel the weight of this moment. The Scriptures call us to stand firm, to warn, and to continue proclaiming the truth in love. The world may mock, and many may be led astray, but we are called to be faithful to the end, knowing that God's judgment is just and His mercy is available to all who repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. Keep warning, keep praying, and keep trusting in God's righteous plan.
Shalom brother.
amigo de christo
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Your right . but know its time for something i hope to GOD puts the all out fear into everyone and makes them
RETHINK and RE examine them selves .
THE UNBELIEVING JEWS CALLED GOD THEIR FATHER
LOOK at who JESUS SAID their father really was . CHRISTENDOM HAS TANKED ZIGGY and its all going down hill .
IT IS BIBLE TIME . i been saying this for years and for years its been rejected .
ITS TIME FOR THIS PEOPLE who cliams to KNOW GOD and CHRIST , TO ACTUALLY FIND OUT
if it has really been GOD and HIS CHRIST they have been following . CAUSE MOST CLAIM THEY DO
and MOST DO NOT follow him or even know him ziggy . that is a fact . not an accusation , A FACT .
I believe people who seek out God and desire to get close to him as they can perhaps desire to know his name, and because his Son made his name known, it’s okay we do too! I don’t believe it falls along the line of idolatry….
Idolatry is setting up something you desire more than God to begin with, @Ziggy ; thank you for your reasonings, and thoughts.
amigo de christo
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Yet rather than calling for repentance , what are most even within christendom calling for , GET OUT AND VOTE .
WE got a problem johann . A BIG ONE .
NO GOOD will come upon a people or a nation , IF IT WONT REPENT . ITS TIME TO PREACH A JONAH STYLE
BELIEVE YE IN THE REAL JESUS CHRIST , turn from your wickendness , MESSAGE .
THIS NATION and this WORLD , and most of christendom itself , EVIL HAS BEEN PURPOSED BY GOD AGAINST IT
BECAUSE IT WONT REPENT and rather GETS WORSE . ON that path , DESTRUCTION COMETH
the delusion has come already . the confusion of faces and reprobation has been sent .
IF my people who are called BY MY NAME would repent .......
Notice it dont say IF my people who are called by name WOULD VOTE . WE have a serious problem johann .
This people loveth evil and it turns to men , NOT TO GOD . this is not gonna bode well for them johann .
amigo de christo
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loving a lie is idolarty .
Adding too and takingfrom the book of revelation IS SIN and they who do so will be cursed .
My advice , KICK PRETERSIM and this so called universalim TO THE DOOR and OPEN that bible FOR YOU .
DO IT . Read it for you and never put it down .
amigo de christo
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that is a real nice saying . one i wont argue against .
But do watch out .
Because many say i do love GOD and YET DO NOT LOVE HIM .
As even JESUS told the jews , YOU DO NOT have the love of GOD IN YOU
for HE whom GOD has sent , you dont beleive
REMEMBER THIS THE NEXT TIME one tries to say muslims and others worship the same GOD we do
and do love GOD .
HE WHO LOVES ME KEEPS MY sayings
remember that the next time anyone tries to down play the dire need to BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
and offers up a contradiction instead .
MANY DO NOT LOVE GOD , they do not LOVE TRUTH .
And how does one know whether they love truth . OPEN BIBLE and lets see if we love THEM WORDS .
GUESS what love rejoices in mathew . a hint NOT FALSE LOVE that offers up a lie and a false salvation .
IT REJOICES IN THE TRUTH . EVERY WORD O GOD IS TRUTH . so lets rejoice in them words , open bible , READ IT .
I don’t believe in universalism… and I don’t know all things about preterism. I’m just a faithful believer who believes Jesus came already. Yet people believe I’m not even right with Yahavah because of it. I don’t know why? You even chose to address me, because what reason? Is it something you need ?
amigo de christo
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i chose to address you to get you back into the bible for you .
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Ziggy
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Stubborness is also Idolatry. And stubborness is what led Israel into lots of problems.
1Sa 15:23
For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
What is stubborness? and how can it be a form of idolatry?
Good to see you Matthew
Hugs
amigo de christo
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Total blasphemy and all out idolarty . Ever wonder why i refuse to sit under a HARLOT .
the well favored HO has seduced many .
Okay.
What about it?
It’s call trusting in other things rather than Yahavah.
I remember when I was into witchcraft. I was stubborn in that route, for sure.x
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