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Well now, that explains everything…
Dallas Theological Seminary has been misleading people into the gates of hell for over 100 years.


Built on the heresy of C.I. Scofield, funded through Oxford Press with suspicious backing from Zionist-connected European elites, and baptized in academic polish — DTS didn’t preserve the Gospel; it butchered it.
It dismembered the Cross, scattered the pieces, and replaced it with a color-coded flowchart.

The founder?
Lewis Sperry ChaferScofield’s personal disciple and doctrinal heir.

The doctrine?
Dispensationalism — a theological scam that splits God’s people, delays the Kingdom, and recasts the Cross and Christ Himself as a failed, rejected offer. (you read that right, they preach that Jesus failed)

The mission? Train pastors to idolize Rothschild’s manufactured Israel, ignore the Gospel, fracture the covenants, and parrot Scofield’s blasphemous footnotes from the pit like they were scripture itself.

And how did Scofield — a disbarred, convicted-conman with no theological credentials — end up published by Oxford University Press in 1909?

Because someone very powerful wanted his theology in every pulpit in America
And I can tell you right now... It wasn’t Jesus Christ.

What Scofield started, Dallas finished:


A Church obsessed with timelines instead of truth
A Gospel gutted of power and sectioned like a cadaver
An army of pastors trained to worship a red heifer and a flag, not the Lamb of God.

They called it “rightly dividing the Word” —
But what they actually divided was the Body of Christ.
And millions followed them off the cliff right into the arms of the Dragon.

And now?


You’ve got Gentile believers praying for the return of animal sacrifices,
cheering for the rebuilding of a temple God Himself tore down,
and calling it “biblical”...

When in reality?

They are literally building a temple for the Antichrist.

Yes — you read that right.

These brainwashed, Scofield-soaked disciples are funding, defending, and celebrating the very system the Beast will walk into.

The veil was torn in two.
But they’re sewing it back up with tithe money and blood-soaked flags.

The Cross cried, “It is finished.”
But they scream, “Not yet — we need a third temple!”
(No doubt with God with his face in his hands, in absolute disbelief)

And the Father, who tore the veil with His own hand, now looks on — with sorrow, not surprise — as they try to stitch it shut with blood, brick, and blasphemy.


This is not Christianity.
This is doctrinal treason.
No Christian on earth believed this heresy until 1909.

Scofield drew the map.
Dallas paved the road.
And the modern Church has been driving toward apostasy ever since.


The worst part?

They think they’re honoring God —
When they’re prepping the stage for the Man of Sin.

Dallas didn’t just mislead the Church.
It helped dig the theological tunnel through which the Antichrist will enter.

And if that offends you?

Take it up with Paul —
Because he warned you this would happen

that “in the last days many would fall away” (2 Thessalonians 2:3),
that “even if an angel preaches another gospel, let him be accursed” (Galatians 1:8),
that “not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel” (Romans 9:6),
that “a true Jew is one inwardly, by the Spirit” (Romans 2:29),
that “we are the circumcision, who put no confidence in the flesh” (Philippians 3:3),
and that “Christ made the two into one new man, destroying the wall of hostility” (Ephesians 2:14–16).

But Scofield ignored him.
Dallas buried him.
And the modern Evangelical Church now calls what Paul condemned… “sound doctrine.” :oops:

Yea —
If the Dragon is your sugar daddy.


Repent, you're under the veil.

Every false Zionist idol of modern “Evangelicalism” is reduced to rubble with actual Scripture.
That's why they run from it...

The Apostle John is a Zionist, too?

Revelation 7:4-8​


And I heard the number of those who were sealed.
One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:
of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand were sealed.



Please, explain how you deal with the 144,000 Jewish men that God will raise up for the Tribulation.

I am very curious to see how you will distort them out of existence.

In Christ .........
 

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Well now, that explains everything…
Dallas Theological Seminary has been misleading people into the gates of hell for over 100 years.
I will ask you again....

What background in training must one have to meet your approval?

This time. You answer. Not someone else jumping in.
 

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The Apostle John is a Zionist, too?

Revelation 7:4-8​

Revelation 7 and the 144,000 — Does This Justify Zionism?

Revelation 7:4–8 describes the sealing of 144,000 from the tribes of Israel. This text does not support modern Zionist theology, nor does it validate the idea that national Israel—especially in its present, secular form—is the centerpiece of God’s redemptive plan in the Church age.

A few points for clarity:

1. Prophetic Context
Revelation 7 is apocalyptic literature, the sealing of 144,000 is a sovereign act of preservation during judgment, not a political endorsement of modern Israel. The individuals are sealed to serve the Lamb, not a nation-state.

2. Spiritual Mission
The 144,000 are not military or political agents, their mission is spiritual, and they stand in contrast to unbelief. This cannot be equated with the modern Israeli government, which, by official and theological stance, rejects Jesus Christ as Messiah.

3. Tribal Symbolism

The tribal listing in Revelation 7 differs from Old Testament tribal arrangements (e.g., Dan is omitted, Ephraim is replaced with Joseph). This suggests spiritual symbolism rather than a literal national registry.

4. The Lost Tribes Dilemma
Dispensationalists claim the modern Jewish state fulfills the tribal promises of Revelation — but ten of the twelve tribes were scattered and absorbed into other nations after the Assyrian exile. No genetic registry exists. To claim tribal identity today is both unprovable and irrelevant under the New Covenant, which defines Israel by faith (Romans 9:6).

5. Paul and Titus Speak to This
Paul warned in Titus 3:9 to avoid genealogies and arguments about the law — because the Spirit foresaw the temptation to anchor covenantal identity in bloodlines. He made it clear: it is not those who boast in fleshly descent who are Israel, but those who are in Christ (Romans 9:6–8, Galatians 3:29). This alone dismantles the entire Dispensationalist framework.

6. Rev 7:9 Refutes Ethnic Exclusivity
Immediately after the sealing of the 144,000, John sees a great multitude from every nation, tribe, people, and language standing before the throne — proving that the true Israel of God is multi-ethnic, gathered in Christ.

7. Biblical Israel = The Body of Christ

Under the New Covenant, “Israel” is defined by faith, not by race. The remnant is preserved, yes — but not by genetic continuity. It is preserved by belief in the Son of God (Romans 11:5, Philippians 3:3).

Revelation 7 affirms that God will preserve a remnant from Israel. This does not legitimize modern Zionism or the theological claim that the modern secular State of Israel fulfills covenantal prophecy apart from Christ. The consistent message of the New Testament is that the promises of God are fulfilled in Christ and extended to all who believe, Jew and Gentile alike.

There is one Gospel, one New Covenant, and one Body — the Church.

And for 1,900 years, every Church Father affirmed this understanding — until 1909, when C.I. Scofield introduced a novel doctrine (Dispensationalism) that redefined Israel, delayed the Kingdom, and split God’s people in contradiction to the historic faith.

Below is a documented sampling of what the early Church; the architects of the Christian religion actually believed:
(And I just have to be honest and up front here.. I'm going to trust their interpretations of the New Testament over a convicted conman who ran out on his family)

Justin Martyr (c. 100–165 AD)
“For the true spiritual Israel, and descendants of Judah, Jacob, Isaac, and Abraham… are we who have been led to God through this crucified Christ.” (Dialogue with Trypho, ch. 11)

“We, who have been quarried out from the bowels of Christ, are the true Israelite race.”
(Dialogue with Trypho, ch. 135)

Irenaeus (c. 130–202 AD)
“It is not they who are descendants of Abraham according to the flesh who are justified… but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.” (Against Heresies, Book IV, Ch. 21.1)

Tertullian (c. 155–240 AD)
“The Jews have fastened themselves to the ancient names of God’s people, when now the Christians are in reality what they call themselves.” (Answer to the Jews, ch. 12)

Origen (c. 185–254 AD)
“We say that the Scriptures themselves establish that the Jewish nation was to be rejected by God… and that the Christians are the chosen people.” (Against Celsus, Book II, Ch. 8)

Cyprian of Carthage (c. 200–258 AD)
“It is we who are the spiritual Israel, and the children of God who have been born through faith.”
(Epistle 63.2)

Eusebius of Caesarea (c. 260–339 AD)
“The Church has taken the place of the former Jewish nation, and it is rightly named Israel.”
(Proof of the Gospel, Book I, Ch. 5)

Athanasius (c. 296–373 AD)
“The Jews… do not know that the Lord came to them… and they were disinherited from the grace.”
(Festal Letter 6)

John Chrysostom (c. 349–407 AD)
“The Jews are no longer worthy of the honor… but Christians have taken their place as the true Israel.”
(Homily on Philippians, Homily 11)

Jerome (c. 347–420 AD)
“They who were formerly called the people of God have now become the synagogue of Satan.”
(Epistle 112.13) This aligns exactly with the apostolic witness:

“Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either.” (1 John 2:23)
“They are not all Israel who are descended from Israel.” (Romans 9:6)

If one claims the religion of Abraham but denies the Son of God — they are not of the covenant.
This isn’t “replacement.” This is 1 John, Romans, and Hebrews, the Gospel as the apostles preached it.

Augustine of Hippo (c. 354–430 AD)
“The house of Israel and the house of Judah, which were formerly distinct peoples, have been made into one people in Christ and the Church.” (City of God, Book 18, Ch. 46)

“Therefore, the true Israelites are not those who have the blood of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but those who walk in their faith.”
(Tractates on the Gospel of John, Tractate 45.9)

Theodoret of Cyrus (c. 393–466 AD)
“The Church is the true Israel, heir of the promises made to the patriarchs.”
(Interpretation of Romans 11)

Cyril of Jerusalem (c. 313–386 AD)
“You are the Israel of God, the new people risen from the Gentiles through faith in Christ.”
(Catechetical Lecture 18)

Gregory of Nyssa (c. 335–395 AD)
“It is evident that the calling of the Gentiles has taken the place of the casting away of the Jews.”
(On the Baptism of Christ)

Maximus the Confessor (c. 580–662 AD)
“The Church has inherited the promises once made to Israel.”
(Ambigua to John, 10)

From Justin Martyr to Augustine, from Cyril to Chrysostom, the consistent position of the Church for nearly two millennia was this:

The Church is the true Israel, made up of all who are in Christ — Jew or Gentile.

The Old Covenant is fulfilled
and made obsolete in Christ (Hebrews 8:13).

Ethnic lineage has no saving power apart from faith (Philippians 3:3, Romans 2:28–29).

Zionism and two-peoples theology were never taught by the apostles or Church Fathers.

This was the unanimous position until 1909.
 
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Scofield’s Bible, funded by Oxford Press and Zionist interests, introduced a completely foreign doctrine into the Church — one that redefined Israel, fractured the Body, and delayed the Kingdom of God contrary to Christ’s own declaration:

“The time is fulfilled, and the Kingdom of God is at hand.” (Mark 1:15)

Clarification on Who “Israel” Truly Is in the New Covenant


Those who follow Jesus Christ — Jew or Gentile — are the only people biblically recognized as the Israel of God under the New Covenant. This is not "replacement theology"; it’s fulfillment theology. Jesus is the King of the Jews — and those who reject Him are not spiritually Israel at all (Romans 9:6–8). Paul teaches that a true Jew is one inwardly, whose heart is circumcised by the Spirit, not by the letter (Romans 2:28–29). Therefore, ethnic Jews who reject Christ are not “covenant people” — they are outside the covenant, just like Gentiles without Christ. Clinging to an obsolete covenant that Christ fulfilled is not faith — it’s unbelief.

In contrast, Christians — including Jewish converts who follow the Messiah — are the true heirs of Abraham, the children of promise, and the actual remnant of Israel.

1 John 2:23
John 14:6
Galatians 3:28–29
Romans 9:6–8
Philippians 3:3
Hebrews 8:13
Ephesians 2:12–13
Acts 4:12
Titus 3:9

These verses clearly teach that faith in Christ is the only entrance into the covenantnot ethnicity, not bloodline and not the Old Law.

They are not a “replacement for Israel” — they are Israel, as God defines it under the New Covenant.
Those who deny Christ — Jew or Gentile — are outside the covenant. Period.

The Gospel doesn’t recognize bloodlines.
It recognizes the Body — born again by faith in the Son of God.

Let the record show — no Christian on earth believed this dispensationalist system until it was invented by John Nelson Darby around 1830, then mass-marketed in America by C.I. Scofield in 1909 — backed by Oxford Press, Zionist funding, and Rockefeller money.

What was once a fringe doctrine born in secrecy is now preached in pulpits nationwide — not because it’s biblical, but because it was distributed, financed, and weaponized.

Not Peter, not Paul, not Irenaeus, not Augustine and not a single Church Father taught this for 1900 years.


It didn’t come from the apostles.
It didn’t come from Jesus.
It came from Darby, Scofield, and those who rebranded Zionism as theology.

Even the earliest Jewish followers of Jesus — Paul, James, Barnabas, Hegesippus, and others — rejected the idea that ethnic lineage or Mosaic observance defined covenant membership.

They taught that faith in Christ alone, determines who belongs to the true Israel of God.

The first Christians were Jews — and they didn’t teach Dispensationalism or bloodline theology.
They preached the Gospel of the Kingdom.
They preached fulfillment in Christ.
They preached that the Body of Christ is Israel.

End of story.


No one — not Peter, not Paul, not James, not Irenaeus, not Augustine,
not a single Church Father for 1,900 years —
ever taught this dual-covenant, genealogical gospel.

It didn’t come from Christ.
It came from Scofield, Darby, Oxford Press and the Dragon.

Born in Hell in 1830 — and thrust upon an unsuspecting Church in 1909.
 
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You see, they knew.

The followers of the Dragon in Europe — the elites, the financiers, the schemers, they knew.

They knew that even if Puritans were running the U.S. military, American Christians would never back a Rothschild/UN land grab in Palestine.

Not unless the Church was first sedated… and rewritten.

So they did what the Serpent always does:
They forged a counterfeit Word; a theological Trojan Horse.

In 1909, they slipped it into the US — Scofield’s so-called “Study Bible” — printed by Oxford Press, funded by Zionist interests, and baptized in academic polish.

And most Americans? They couldn’t read well and many had no access to libraries.
No internet.
No radio.
No television for another 40 years.
This tomb from the pit was all they had to sit around the living room with while mother read it.

The Word of God was being hijacked, — and no one knew.
Certainly Oxford wouldn't lie - "they're fancy! like the Queen n stuff!"

Then came World War I.
Then the Great Depression.
Then the Dust Bowl and the Grapes of Wrath.
Then the bloodbath of World War II.

And by the time the smoke cleared in 1945, the Church was fully indoctrinated.
A generation of Christians had been raised on Scofield’s footnotes — not the apostles’ doctrine.

And just two years later — in 1947 — the stage was set.

The church didn’t object.
It didn’t even resist.

Because by then, the Gospel had been replaced by a flowchart, the Kingdom postponed, and Jesus recast as a failed political offer.

All thanks to a Bible from the pit.

Fast forward 100 years to today and you've got Christians on forums going: "What do you mean the Body of Christ is Israel?
That doesn't even make sense!"

The apostles would weep.
The Church Fathers would tear their robes and fall to the floor in grief.

Because what they bled and died to establish...
has now been hijacked by a theology born in Hell — and worshipped like scripture.
 
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All I can say is that Jesus sent the Comforter into our midst in this life in His place here on this earth. He had to depart so that the Comforter could be here with us. Why that is, I don't know. What I do know is that His presence is manifested through Holy Spirit. The word of God says what it says, and appeals to sensory thing such as emotions and feelings will never disprove what is written in the very word of God. The family of Charismatics into which I married through my first wife were all about stories of Jesus being among them and doing such and such on this earth, etc., all of which was and is contrary to the written word of God they claimed to believe, and yet they continued to testify of things that contradict that same word of God on the basis of what they think that they felt.

I hope you understand my staunch refusal to budge away from the absolute authority of the word of God.

BTW
Jesus IS amongst us through Hid Holy Spirit who dwells in all of us who are reborn spiritually by making a choice to accept Jesus.

One cold and wet night after work I was traveling home on a crowded bus and I just knew that Jesus was there with me. So I started to wonder where He was - on a seat or standing up? And in my mind I asked, 'Where are you Jesus' and immediately I felt a warm tingling right through me from head to toe and I knew he was telling me He was actually inside me. I must have had such a big smile on my face that the other passengers wondered what was amusing me.

And I'm not the only one to have encounters such as this, it is a normal - supernatural - part of the life of a born again Christian.
 

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All I can say is that Jesus sent the Comforter into our midst in this life in His place here on this earth. He had to depart so that the Comforter could be here with us. Why that is, I don't know. What I do know is that His presence is manifested through Holy Spirit. The word of God says what it says, and appeals to sensory thing such as emotions and feelings will never disprove what is written in the very word of God. The family of Charismatics into which I married through my first wife were all about stories of Jesus being among them and doing such and such on this earth, etc., all of which was and is contrary to the written word of God they claimed to believe, and yet they continued to testify of things that contradict that same word of God on the basis of what they think that they felt.

I hope you understand my staunch refusal to budge away from the absolute authority of the word of God.

BTW
Jesus in human form, even after his resurrection could only be in one place at a time, but His Holy Spirit is not limited by a physical body, He is able to be everywhere.
 

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Revelation 7 and the 144,000 — Does This Justify Zionism?

Revelation 7:4–8 describes the sealing of 144,000 from the tribes of Israel. This text does not support modern Zionist theology, nor does it validate the idea that national Israel—especially in its present, secular form—is the centerpiece of God’s redemptive plan in the Church age.

A few points for clarity:

1. Prophetic Context
Revelation 7 is apocalyptic literature, the sealing of 144,000 is a sovereign act of preservation during judgment, not a political endorsement of modern Israel. The individuals are sealed to serve the Lamb, not a nation-state.

2. Spiritual Mission
The 144,000 are not military or political agents, their mission is spiritual, and they stand in contrast to unbelief. This cannot be equated with the modern Israeli government, which, by official and theological stance, rejects Jesus Christ as Messiah.

3. Tribal Symbolism

The tribal listing in Revelation 7 differs from Old Testament tribal arrangements (e.g., Dan is omitted, Ephraim is replaced with Joseph). This suggests spiritual symbolism rather than a literal national registry.

4. The Lost Tribes Dilemma
Dispensationalists claim the modern Jewish state fulfills the tribal promises of Revelation — but ten of the twelve tribes were scattered and absorbed into other nations after the Assyrian exile. No genetic registry exists. To claim tribal identity today is both unprovable and irrelevant under the New Covenant, which defines Israel by faith (Romans 9:6).

5. Paul and Titus Speak to This
Paul warned in Titus 3:9 to avoid genealogies and arguments about the law — because the Spirit foresaw the temptation to anchor covenantal identity in bloodlines. He made it clear: it is not those who boast in fleshly descent who are Israel, but those who are in Christ (Romans 9:6–8, Galatians 3:29). This alone dismantles the entire Dispensationalist framework.

6. Rev 7:9 Refutes Ethnic Exclusivity
Immediately after the sealing of the 144,000, John sees a great multitude from every nation, tribe, people, and language standing before the throne — proving that the true Israel of God is multi-ethnic, gathered in Christ.

7. Biblical Israel = The Body of Christ

Under the New Covenant, “Israel” is defined by faith, not by race. The remnant is preserved, yes — but not by genetic continuity. It is preserved by belief in the Son of God (Romans 11:5, Philippians 3:3).

Revelation 7 affirms that God will preserve a remnant from Israel. This does not legitimize modern Zionism or the theological claim that the modern secular State of Israel fulfills covenantal prophecy apart from Christ. The consistent message of the New Testament is that the promises of God are fulfilled in Christ and extended to all who believe, Jew and Gentile alike.

There is one Gospel, one New Covenant, and one Body — the Church.

And for 1,900 years, every Church Father affirmed this understanding — until 1909, when C.I. Scofield introduced a novel doctrine (Dispensationalism) that redefined Israel, delayed the Kingdom, and split God’s people in contradiction to the historic faith.

Below is a documented sampling of what the early Church; the architects of the Christian religion actually believed:
(And I just have to be honest and up front here.. I'm going to trust their interpretations of the New Testament over a convicted conman who ran out on his family)

Justin Martyr (c. 100–165 AD)
“For the true spiritual Israel, and descendants of Judah, Jacob, Isaac, and Abraham… are we who have been led to God through this crucified Christ.” (Dialogue with Trypho, ch. 11)

“We, who have been quarried out from the bowels of Christ, are the true Israelite race.”
(Dialogue with Trypho, ch. 135)

Irenaeus (c. 130–202 AD)
“It is not they who are descendants of Abraham according to the flesh who are justified… but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.” (Against Heresies, Book IV, Ch. 21.1)

Tertullian (c. 155–240 AD)
“The Jews have fastened themselves to the ancient names of God’s people, when now the Christians are in reality what they call themselves.” (Answer to the Jews, ch. 12)

Origen (c. 185–254 AD)
“We say that the Scriptures themselves establish that the Jewish nation was to be rejected by God… and that the Christians are the chosen people.” (Against Celsus, Book II, Ch. 8)

Cyprian of Carthage (c. 200–258 AD)
“It is we who are the spiritual Israel, and the children of God who have been born through faith.”
(Epistle 63.2)

Eusebius of Caesarea (c. 260–339 AD)
“The Church has taken the place of the former Jewish nation, and it is rightly named Israel.”
(Proof of the Gospel, Book I, Ch. 5)

Athanasius (c. 296–373 AD)
“The Jews… do not know that the Lord came to them… and they were disinherited from the grace.”
(Festal Letter 6)

John Chrysostom (c. 349–407 AD)
“The Jews are no longer worthy of the honor… but Christians have taken their place as the true Israel.”
(Homily on Philippians, Homily 11)

Jerome (c. 347–420 AD)
“They who were formerly called the people of God have now become the synagogue of Satan.”
(Epistle 112.13) This aligns exactly with the apostolic witness:

“Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either.” (1 John 2:23)
“They are not all Israel who are descended from Israel.” (Romans 9:6)

If one claims the religion of Abraham but denies the Son of God — they are not of the covenant.
This isn’t “replacement.” This is 1 John, Romans, and Hebrews, the Gospel as the apostles preached it.

Augustine of Hippo (c. 354–430 AD)
“The house of Israel and the house of Judah, which were formerly distinct peoples, have been made into one people in Christ and the Church.” (City of God, Book 18, Ch. 46)

“Therefore, the true Israelites are not those who have the blood of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but those who walk in their faith.”
(Tractates on the Gospel of John, Tractate 45.9)

Theodoret of Cyrus (c. 393–466 AD)
“The Church is the true Israel, heir of the promises made to the patriarchs.”
(Interpretation of Romans 11)

Cyril of Jerusalem (c. 313–386 AD)
“You are the Israel of God, the new people risen from the Gentiles through faith in Christ.”
(Catechetical Lecture 18)

Gregory of Nyssa (c. 335–395 AD)
“It is evident that the calling of the Gentiles has taken the place of the casting away of the Jews.”
(On the Baptism of Christ)

Maximus the Confessor (c. 580–662 AD)
“The Church has inherited the promises once made to Israel.”
(Ambigua to John, 10)

From Justin Martyr to Augustine, from Cyril to Chrysostom, the consistent position of the Church for nearly two millennia was this:

The Church is the true Israel, made up of all who are in Christ — Jew or Gentile.

The Old Covenant is fulfilled
and made obsolete in Christ (Hebrews 8:13).

Ethnic lineage has no saving power apart from faith (Philippians 3:3, Romans 2:28–29).

Zionism and two-peoples theology were never taught by the apostles or Church Fathers.

This was the unanimous position until 1909.
You quote people and their opinions of Jews at a time when the Jews were out of the picture of God's scheme.

Name one theologian that said what they had about the Jews after May 14, 1948?
After the nation of Israel once again rose up and was once more a nation on earth?
You are totally missing something that your hatred has you blinded to! (or, is it jealousy?)

OK..., you just dumbed your away around the 144,000 while using some details that remained hypothetical in your attempt of reasonableness.

They are going to be 144,000 WITNESSES for Christ!
When will they be?
During the Tribulation on earth, while the Church will be in Heaven after the Rapture.

I can get you boo’d off-stage so fast your head will spin.
Most Christians today understand what the Holy Spirit has revealed to them personally.
Not simply because some man told them so.

Your clan shall die off in a twinkling of an eye....

God does not need human records to find any of the lost tribes! Dummy!
He knows the very number of hairs on your head, and everyone's else head in the entire world!!!!

I thought so. You offer a weak argument. But strong-willed and STUBBORN... (with a lot of footnotes to follow)

Repent!
 

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You quote people and their opinions of Jews at a time when the Jews were out of the picture of God's scheme.

Name one theologian that said what they had about the Jews after May 14, 1948?
After the nation of Israel once again rose up and was once more a nation on earth?
You are totally missing something that your hatred has you blinded to! (or, is it jealousy?)

OK..., you just dumbed your away around the 144,000 while using some details that remained hypothetical in your attempt of reasonableness.

They are going to be 144,000 WITNESSES for Christ!
When will they be?
During the Tribulation on earth, while the Church will be in Heaven after the Rapture.

I can get you boo’d off-stage so fast your head will spin.
Most Christians today understand what the Holy Spirit has revealed to them personally.
Not simply because some man told them so.

Your clan shall die off in a twinkling of an eye....

God does not need human records to find any of the lost tribes! Dummy!
He knows the very number of hairs on your head, and everyone's else head in the entire world!!!!

I thought so. You offer a weak argument. But strong-willed and STUBBORN... (with a lot of footnotes to follow)

Repent!



You just tried to rebuke me with Scofield’s heresy instead of Scripture and the Word of God.

You’ve replaced the Gospel with a Rothschild-funded flowchart, weaponized by Oxford Press in 1909, and now preach a version of Christianity that no apostle, no Church Father, no martyr, and no early believer would even recognize — let alone affirm.

And you dare talk about revelation?

Friend, you’re not under revelation.
You’re under a spell.
You're under the veil.


You’ve been baptized in propaganda, not the Holy Spirit.
You’ve been discipled by Scofield's footnotes, not the apostles.
You’re quoting charts — not Jesus Christ.

The very fact that you cite May 14, 1948 — a date from the United Nations — as the lens through which to reinterpret 2,000 years of biblical theology is proof that your gospel is political, not prophetic.
It’s modern, not ancient.
And it’s powerless to save.

Do you even hear yourself?

You say I “dumbed my way around the 144,000.”
No — I read the passage.
You injected your doctrine into it.


Revelation 7 doesn’t say they’re evangelists.
It doesn’t say they’re nationalists.
It doesn’t say they’re waving a flag over a third temple while Gentiles cheer from Heaven’s bleachers.
That’s complete fantasy — and beyond insanity.

It says they’re sealed to the Lamb; and immediately after, a multitude from every nation appears before the throne.

Because the true Israel of God was never about bloodline.
Never about borders.
Never about DNA tests.

It was always about faith in the crucified Messiah — the one your system calls a “failed offer.”

You’re defending a theology that literally teaches:

The Kingdom was postponed.
The Church is a parenthesis.
Jesus came to be King… but he failed.
Ethnic unbelief is still “chosen.” (contradicting the entire Gospel a thousand times over)
A third temple will succeed the Cross.

That’s not Christianity, it's absolute blasphemy..

Everything you’ve been taught to believe is instantly and utterly destroyed by Scripture
not by me, but by the Word of God you claim to follow:

Romans 2:28–29 — A true Jew is one inwardly, not outwardly.
Galatians 3:29 — If you are in Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed.
Philippians 3:3 — We are the circumcision, who put no confidence in the flesh.
Hebrews 8:13 — The Old Covenant is obsolete.
Romans 9:6 — Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.
Titus 3:9 — Avoid foolish genealogies and quarrels about the law — they are unprofitable and worthless.
Revelation 7:9 — The true multitude before God is from every nation, tribe, people, and language — not just one.
Colossians 3:11 — Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised... but Christ is all, and is in all.
Ephesians 2:14–16 — For He Himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility... to create in Himself one new man out of the two... thus making peace.

This is not “replacement theology.”
It is the New Covenant, the one Jesus bled to establish.

And yet you reject it…
To preach a gospel of bloodline, blasphemy and unbelief.

You exalt genealogy.
You defend a nation that denies the Son of God.
You twist Revelation into a tribal prophecy club.
And you call it “faith.”

No.
It’s not faith.
It’s apostasy with a flag and a footnote.

This isn’t just bad theology.
It’s ethnic supremacy dressed in Christian language —
a flesh-based, race-centered counterfeit of the Gospel.

It’s not the faith of the apostles.
It’s not the doctrine of the early Church.
It’s not the blood of Christ that holds it together —
it’s the bloodline of man.

It’s not Christianity.
It’s tribal nationalism wrapped in a Bible cover —
and it spits on the Cross while waving a flag.

Repent.
Because when you stand before Christ, He will not ask if you stood with Israel.
He will ask if you were born again.

And if your gospel still includes two peoples, two covenants, and a postponed Kingdom…
You are not preaching Jesus.
You’re preaching Scofield.

And on that day, Scofield won’t save you.
Only Christ can, and yet you call Him a failure, and you’ve replaced Him.

You’ve traded Christ for charts.
The Gospel for genealogy.
The Kingdom for a kibbutz.
And the Cross for a contract signed in 1948 by men who don’t know God.

And unless you repent —
your “theology” won’t just fail you.
It will condemn you.

It’s tragic.
You’re under a spell from the Dragon himself —
and you don’t even know it.

But you will.
 
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You just tried to rebuke me with Scofield’s heresy instead of Scripture and the Word of God.

You’ve replaced the Gospel with a Rothschild-funded flowchart, weaponized by Oxford Press in 1909, and now preach a version of Christianity that no apostle, no Church Father, no martyr, and no early believer would even recognize — let alone affirm.

And you dare talk about revelation?

Friend, you’re not under revelation.
You’re under a spell.
You're under the veil.


You’ve been baptized in propaganda, not the Holy Spirit.
You’ve been discipled by Scofield's footnotes, not the apostles.
You’re quoting charts — not Jesus Christ.

The very fact that you cite May 14, 1948 — a date from the United Nations — as the lens through which to reinterpret 2,000 years of biblical theology is proof that your gospel is political, not prophetic.
It’s modern, not ancient.
And it’s powerless to save.

Do you even hear yourself?

You say I “dumbed my way around the 144,000.”
No — I read the passage.
You injected your doctrine into it.


Revelation 7 doesn’t say they’re evangelists.
It doesn’t say they’re nationalists.
It doesn’t say they’re waving a flag over a third temple while Gentiles cheer from Heaven’s bleachers.
That’s complete fantasy — and beyond insanity.

It says they’re sealed to the Lamb; and immediately after, a multitude from every nation appears before the throne.

Because the true Israel of God was never about bloodline.
Never about borders.
Never about DNA tests.

It was always about faith in the crucified Messiah — the one your system calls a “failed offer.”

You’re defending a theology that literally teaches:

The Kingdom was postponed.
The Church is a parenthesis.
Jesus came to be King… but he failed.
Ethnic unbelief is still “chosen.” (contradicting the entire Gospel a thousand times over)
A third temple will succeed the Cross.

That’s not Christianity, it's absolute blasphemy..

Everything you’ve been taught to believe is instantly and utterly destroyed by Scripture
not by me, but by the Word of God you claim to follow:

Romans 2:28–29 — A true Jew is one inwardly, not outwardly.
Galatians 3:29 — If you are in Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed.
Philippians 3:3 — We are the circumcision, who put no confidence in the flesh.
Hebrews 8:13 — The Old Covenant is obsolete.
Romans 9:6 — Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.
Titus 3:9 — Avoid foolish genealogies and quarrels about the law — they are unprofitable and worthless.
Revelation 7:9 — The true multitude before God is from every nation, tribe, people, and language — not just one.
Colossians 3:11 — Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised... but Christ is all, and is in all.
Ephesians 2:14–16 — For He Himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility... to create in Himself one new man out of the two... thus making peace.

This is not “replacement theology.”
It is the New Covenant, the one Jesus bled to establish.

And yet you reject it…
To preach a gospel of bloodline, blasphemy and unbelief.

You exalt genealogy.
You defend a nation that denies the Son of God.
You twist Revelation into a tribal prophecy club.
And you call it “faith.”

No.
It’s not faith.
It’s apostasy with a flag and a footnote.

This isn’t just bad theology.
It’s ethnic supremacy dressed in Christian language —
a flesh-based, race-centered counterfeit of the Gospel.

It’s not the faith of the apostles.
It’s not the doctrine of the early Church.
It’s not the blood of Christ that holds it together —
it’s the bloodline of man.

It’s not Christianity.
It’s tribal nationalism wrapped in a Bible cover —
and it spits on the Cross while waving a flag.

Repent.
Because when you stand before Christ, He will not ask if you stood with Israel.
He will ask if you were born again.

And if your gospel still includes two peoples, two covenants, and a postponed Kingdom…
You are not preaching Jesus.
You’re preaching Scofield.

And on that day, Scofield won’t save you.
Only Christ can, and yet you call Him a failure, and you’ve replaced Him.

You’ve traded Christ for charts.
The Gospel for genealogy.
The Kingdom for a kibbutz.
And the Cross for a contract signed in 1948 by men who don’t know God.

And unless you repent —
your “theology” won’t just fail you.
It will condemn you.

It’s tragic.
You’re under a spell from the Dragon himself —
and you don’t even know it.

But you will.


You said nothing, and do the very same thing you accuse me of doing.

It has been noted in the Book.

You will be without excuse.
 

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If you were a leader in the church tasked with restructuring and improving its architecture and format.

WWYD?

Are there significant improvements churches can make in the modern era with the advent of the internet, smart phones and social media?
Are there significant improvements churches can make in the modern era with the advent of the internet, smart phones and social media?

Absolutely
 

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Jesus in human form, even after his resurrection could only be in one place at a time, but His Holy Spirit is not limited by a physical body, He is able to be everywhere.
As far as we know - but i do hold to the fact that HE laid aside some of His Glory to be fully subjected to His FATHER as a man.

That would indicate strongly as you said = Jesus, as a man, could only be one place at one time.
 

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You said nothing, and do the very same thing you accuse me of doing.

It has been noted in the Book.

You will be without excuse.


You ignore the Word of God.
You reject the teachings of the apostles.
And you call Jesus a failure — whether you admit it or not.

You preach that the Kingdom was postponed.
That Christ’s mission was rejected.
That the Cross wasn’t enough.
That unbelief is still “chosen” —
literally denying the Gospel Jesus died to establish.
And now you claim God needs a third temple…
to finish what His Son supposedly couldn’t?

That’s not theology.
That’s heresy dressed in prophecy.
And it spits on the blood of Christ while waving a UN charter from 1948.

That’s not faith.
That’s Scofieldism.

You stand on a doctrine that didn’t exist for 1,900 years —
a theology invented by Darby, funded by Zionists, and baptized by Oxford Press in 1909.

Not a single Church Father believed what you now preach.
Not Peter.
Not Paul.
Not Ignatius.
Not Irenaeus.
Not Augustine.

They all proclaimed what the New Testament still declares:

That true Israel is found in Christ.
That there is one Body.
One people.
One covenant — fulfilled in Him.

But you exalt genealogies.
You defend unbelief.
You boast in the flesh —
flatly rejecting the entire New Covenant.
And you’ve wrapped it all in a flag…
then dared to call it “prophecy.”

Friend, you’re not contending for the faith.
You’re standing in open defiance of it.
You’re blind inside a system that calls the Gospel a pause button,
and the Church a side-note in God’s plan.

The veil is real.
And you’re not just under it —
You’re defending it.
Preaching it.
And baptizing others into it.

But the Word of God stands forever.
And it has already judged your doctrine false.

Repent,

Before the King returns.
 
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Paul and Jesus both warned of a great deception, a veil that would blind the many, not the few.

Jesus said “wide is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.” (Matthew 7:13)

Paul said “to this day, when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts.” (2 Corinthians 3:15) — and that the “god of this world has blinded the minds of unbelievers.” (2 Corinthians 4:4)

And now, 2,000 years later…

That veil has a name:
Dispensationalism.

It blinded the Church.
It split the Body.
It replaced Christ with color-coded charts.
It calls Jesus not the King — but a failed offer.
It replaced the New Covenant with a “postponed Kingdom.”
And it traded the Gospel for genealogies, nationalism, and blueprints for a third temple.

All while pretending it was “prophecy.”

This isn’t just a bad interpretation.
It’s the great delusion.

And millions of Christians are on that wide road right now…
Quoting Scofield, defending unbelief, and waving a flag over the very Cross that saved them.

Jesus said “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven…” (Matthew 7:21)

And He meant it.
 

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If you were a leader in the church tasked with restructuring and improving its architecture and format.

WWYD?

Are there significant improvements churches can make in the modern era with the advent of the internet, smart phones and social media?

There is a big and significant improvement for those who do not live near a good church that will provide sound doctrinal teaching.
That divine provision took place with the advent of recorded lessons.

Never possible before.
Able to hear a lesson being taught as it was taught ....


So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Romans 10:17

With Divine Guidance those who hunger can now be fed in the privacy of their own audio playback being free of church bullies and
domineering agents of Satan.

Here is one such provision.
https://www.rbthieme.org/PDF/LessonListingForWeb2014.pdf


No money will be asked for, for it is by grace we shall grow in knowledge! (2 Peter 3:18)