If churches are failing, how can they be improved

[Lizbeth]

OK...

What sect are you a part of? That sounds like dominion theology.

If Jesus has been reigning for the last two thousand years?
How could the following be true?

He shall judge between the nations,
And rebuke many people;
They shall beat their swords into plowshares,
And their spears into pruning hooks;
Nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
Neither shall they learn war anymore.

Isaiah 2:4​

That has absolutely not been happening for the last 2000 years.

Please be honest.

We must see by faith not by sight. Eyes to see and ears to hear what the Spirit is saying. That scripture was fulfilled and is being fulfilled through the gospel of peace, believing Gentiles being at peace with God and at peace with their fellow man. Plowshares and pruning hooks refers to labouring in His fields of harvest.

Jesus said "If I by the finger of God cast out demons then the kingdom has come to you." We see His rule and reign being enforced in such things as the salvation of souls, healing and deliverance, as well as Christian growth and taking ground for Him in our own heart and life. And the word says in all these things (that come against us) we are more than conquerors (conquering and overcoming means one is ruling). By faith, not necessarily by sight.

 

[MatthewG]

Only Yahavah can help broken people. I think we as human beings and our nature, all we can do is provide information… whether or not a person listens is up to them. They should be encouraged to seek out for themselves though, and not to just believe what a man behind the pulpit says.

There are some churches … it sucks what they go through and the people there think it’s all fine and good.

I’m not judging their salvation, but am judging the way people try to work up a crowd just for views, money, fame even.

Claiming they can heal people, and I’ve even head a person say “I dont even like to read from the Bible, we will just see what happens.”

Then goes on speaking in whimsical ways like ain’t everyone already heard God is good…

But how do you strengthen one’s faith towards God? It isn’t from testimonies… or just random story you had when you were on vacation.



I’ll tell you that…

 

[Lizbeth]

This is going to be my very last post on any Christian forum...

Because its obvious that we've reached the end of the age.

Think about this Christians..

We have an antichrist cult, that hijacked the Church in 1909 with the help of Oxford Press and the elites,
who now control.. everything.. the military industrial complex, the White House, the EU, I mean everything.

They're literally trying to help build a temple for the antichrist to appear and they're trying start a nuclear world war
that's going to kill all of God's creation, (something God does not want)..

And its brainwashed members.. can't even refute a single... line, of Scripture.

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Think about that.

We're already deep in Revelation baby.
This is it..

Judgement is near.

And when the Watchers rise…
When the pit of Tartarus cracks open…
When a million demons pour into the valleys below…

This will be me,
Marked safe with the Seal of the Lamb.
Standing on my hillside.
Watching the sky burn
as judgment begins.

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And all these forums?

They will have gone silent —
drowned out by the wings of demons,
and the wailing of Babylon.

I'm not sure the faithful remnant church will be sitting on the sidelines though brother. Look at the book of Esther and see if you see how things will go in the end......see Haman as the antichrist.....see if you see the King loosing and equipping/arming God's people to fight and overcome the enemy of their souls. Scripture depicts a final epic battle in the end, and it takes two sides to have a battle. I'm wondering if the restrainer being taken away works both ways.....the full measure of God's Spirit upon His people to do battle and overcome the full measure of Satan...?

Mal 4:1-3

For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If you were a leader in the church tasked with restructuring and improving its architecture and format.

WWYD?

Are there significant improvements churches can make in the modern era with the advent of the internet, smart phones and social media?

Go back to the acts model..

 

[Lizbeth]

OK...

What sect are you a part of? That sounds like dominion theology.

If Jesus has been reigning for the last two thousand years?
How could the following be true?

He shall judge between the nations,
And rebuke many people;
They shall beat their swords into plowshares,
And their spears into pruning hooks;
Nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
Neither shall they learn war anymore.

Isaiah 2:4​

That has absolutely not been happening for the last 2000 years.

Please be honest.

Are you still waiting for David's fallen tabernacle to be raised? It already has been and the Son of David is ruling over it as we speak:

Act 15:14-20

Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

Col 3:1-2

If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.


I can still remember the kind of disappointment I felt as the Lord began to help me realize these things....kind of like the disappointment I felt as a child realizing Santa Claus wasn't real, lol. We aren't looking for earthly fulfillments, but spiritual/heavenly. This life and this world are soon passing away....we need to be looking UP when we begin to see certain things happening, for our redemption draws nigh.

 

[Jay Ross]

How to improve the "Church"?

Get the Church goers to go back to the basics. Perhaps then the Church's congregation will stop failing.

 

[Lizbeth]

How to improve the "Church"?

Get the Church goers to go back to the basics. Perhaps then the Church's congregation will stop failing.

Amen. Returning to the simplicity of Christ, where pastors are seen as one of many gifts, and not as the only gift in the church. It is simply, "when you come together, every one you hath.......".

Why do we come together? It is for the Body to encourage and build itself up, but before that, I believe it is an assembling of ourselves together before the Lord, in spirit, like the angels in the book of Job, to meet with Him and minister, worship, pray and wait upon Him.....a corporate assembling of His servants to pay homage to our Master and offer ourselves, as it were, to serve and to be inspected and to hear from Him.

 

[GeneZ]

We must see by faith not by sight. Eyes to see and ears to hear what the Spirit is saying. That scripture was fulfilled and is being fulfilled through the gospel of peace, believing Gentiles being at peace with God and at peace with their fellow man. Plowshares and pruning hooks refers to labouring in His fields of harvest.

Jesus said "If I by the finger of God cast out demons then the kingdom has come to you." We see His rule and reign being enforced in such things as the salvation of souls, healing and deliverance, as well as Christian growth and taking ground for Him in our own heart and life. And the word says in all these things (that come against us) we are more than conquerors (conquering and overcoming means one is ruling). By faith, not necessarily by sight.

Fairy tales were good for children.
And, you make up stories that make babies ready for bedtime.

Do as you wish.

What about?

And man shall learn war no more?
This whole thread has been warfare!

Just an observer here.

 

[Lizbeth]

Fairy tales were good for children.
And, you make up stories that make babies ready for bedtime.

Do as you wish.

What about?

And man shall learn war no more?
This whole thread has been warfare!

Just an observer here.

Belief in and looking for an earthly utopia is one of those childish things we need to put behind us.

1Co 13:10-11
But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

Israel as children under the tutelage of the Law were looking for all things to be fulfilled in an earthly way. But this is the new way of the spirit now, not the old way of the letter. Even as believers we tend to follow that pattern, going through a childhood on our way to maturity.

And our warfare is not the world's kind of warfare any longer....we're not wrestling with flesh and blood and our weapons are not carnal, but mighty in God (ie, in His Spirit).

Maybe ask God to open the eyes of your understanding to this:...."All things have been put under the feet of Christ, but we do not yet see all things put under Him."

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The problem with the modern church.

1. They worship 8th-century Khazar converts as “God’s chosen.”
2. They ignore the fulfillment of the Gospel in Christ.
3. They say the Church and the Body of Christ is not Israel.
4. They teach a pre-trib rapture.
5. They fund endless wars in the name of prophecy.
6. They preach fear of cursing “Israel” over fear of disobeying Christ. (And they don't know who or what Israel even is)
7. They glorify a modern secular state that rejects Jesus.
8. They twist Genesis into a 6,000-year timeline.
9. They scare off scientifically literate people from the Gospel.
10. They elevate race and genealogy over faith.
11. They use Zionism to manipulate American politics.
12. They teach dispensational charts instead of the New Testament.
13. They silence the Old Testament prophets unless they point to Zionism.
14. They quote Scofield more than Jesus.
15. They treat the modern state of Israel as a prerequisite for Christ’s return.
16. They ignore early Church Fathers entirely.
17. They rewrite Revelation to serve modern politics.
18. They call peaceful Christians “anti-Semitic” for quoting the Gospel.
19. They support genocide while preaching “blessing Israel.”
20. They split Christ from His own Gospel.
21. They treat Jews as saved without Christ.
22. They mock replacement theology while denying fulfillment theology.
23. They conflate Abrahamic promise with military alliance.
24. They preach American exceptionalism instead of Kingdom come.

So this is what's happening.. The Scripture curious atheists are reading the Bible a few times all the way through and then reading the early Church Fathers and coming to the obvious conclusion that 80%+ of the Christian Church is totally brainwashed, not following the Gospel AT ALL, and are completely under the power & deception of the Dragon. And they’re realizing the horrifying truth: It’s now a Zionist cargo cult wearing a cross. They want to believe the Word, but what they find looks like a Twilight Zone rerun — or a sci-fi horror film directed by the Dragon himself. So they get scared and move away from it.

They run.

Not from Christ.

But from the misled, brainwashed abomination —
deep under the veil —
pretending to represent Him.

Your use of the word "they", as you paint your grim picture, lumps every single person into your problematic and negative perception, as if any one of us could fit your criteria of flaws.
You seem like a "glass is half empty", grumpy old man who does not really understand what the Sovereignty of God means. Yes, I am getting personal because you just did - your way of indirectly attacking many of us.
No one church is perfect; but the Body of Christ is in tact. The Church is right where it is supposed to be, all His sheep accounted for so far. (2.7 billion believers in Christ).
It's right on course, on schedule; because God's plan is perfect. He has factored into His plan all our blunders and allows for sin and evil for a purpose.
The 1st century saw equal problems, specifically with the letters to the Seven Churches in Revelation. Only two did not need a rebuke, the rest had problems and needed to repent or else. And so it has been throughout the Church Age. But the Spirit guides us with all our flaws - including the flaws in your list.