But unless a person repents and believes on the Lord Jesus Christ, that does not apply.
If Jesus was the One who took away sins from the world?
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People say that. However the only thing that is left is unbelief. All your sins have been taken care of on behalf of Jesus. Either you accept that and seek after Him, by your own choice or not.
I believe all people are saved from Sin, death, Satan and his angels, hell/hades/sheol, even Gods wrath (because Gods wrath went upon that nation of Israel for killing the Son of God).
I believe this was done behalf of all the world, Jesus came to take away the sins of the world, according to John the Baptist.
Forgiveness from God for all of mankind is done because of Christ. People who desire to be saved ‘to’ the kingdom of Heaven make the choice to have faith. Having a relationship with God in and through the Lord Jesus Christ.
Because of these things being so, God has reconciled the world unto himself through Christ. In which the Garden of Eden state is back again.
People pick and choose, however the Lord Jesus Christ blood covered your sins before you were even born. You decided one day to accept the Lord Jesus Christ which leads to a new transformed life by and through the spirit given by God into the heart of the seeker of faith.
So to say - Jesus death only applies if you accept it only is false, either Jesus paid for the sins of the world taking care of them, once and for all. Or he did not. There is a loss though for those who had time to choose but didn’t want nothing to do with God.
Because you ignoring the fact that humans will receive the same fate as the Devil as Jesus clearly said.
Let's try again:
Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
@Jack,
You quote - Revelation 20:10 - The Devil, the False Prophet, and the Beast - all tormented forever and ever okay. Yes this is a reality to me it has happened they have been done away with.
You quote Matthew 25 - a Chapter where Jesus Christ was talking to Philip, John, Andrew, and Peter (I believe), about when the coming of the end of the age would come, and there would be those who would suffer their part in the lake of fire.
Revelation 21:
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Can you explain to me the differences here in what is seeing said?
You quote - Revelation 20:10 - The Devil, the False Prophet, and the Beast - all tormented forever and ever okay. Yes this is a reality to me it has happened they have been done away with.
You quote Matthew 25 - a Chapter where Jesus Christ was talking to Philip, John, Andrew, and Peter (I believe), about when the coming of the end of the age would come, and there would be those who would suffer their part in the lake of fire.
Revelation 21:
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Can you explain to me the differences here in what is seeing said?
Along with not just the lake of fire.
You have the whole of Jerusalem in 70Ad, destroyed by many elements of fire that was rained down on them in that day in age at their destruction in which the wrath of God was poured out. It is some information to take a look into.
You have the whole of Jerusalem in 70Ad, destroyed by many elements of fire that was rained down on them in that day in age at their destruction in which the wrath of God was poured out. It is some information to take a look into.
Yes. Because of the Victory over all things by Christ Jesus. He has been done away with for a long time. Though most people would say no the devil is still around, still claiming souls. Then why do people Sing Jesus Christ has had the victory? Apparently not, if the Devil is still on the loose, and people are waiting for redemption by seeing Christ come, as though they are part of the bride which once was in the past in 70AD.
Even so, it is amazing that God loves us, and care about all human beings on earth and desires for us to share Christ, die to ourselves and live for Christ, to live by the spirit in faith. To Trust God and rely on the Lord Jesus Christ, whom provides. To read the Bible to keep our faith in tact, and not to forget the good words of the Bible, that help fortify your faith as you continue to live in this world, but being a part of the new Spiritual Kingdom which is the Heavenly Jerusalem above.
New Life is given to those who desire to seek out God in faith, which God rewards good rewards accordingly also too we can ask for wisdom as long we do not doubt and are not asking for things in selfish means. Instead as Christians we are called to pray and lift others up even pray for our enemies in the name of Christ, to love God and to love others will always been the most important.
(Even though people may say that believing Jesus Christ has had the victory over all things would be crazy - because the Devil is not done away with- like John states in Revelation - still waiting on the devil to be done away with)
What remains now to me personally in this day in age? Darkness, and just like "school spirit" - spirit of lust, greed, hatred, murderous, and the like do still exist that happen to influence our soul in which we choose with-in our soul to make those decisions, until it washed away by the reading of the Bible.
Even so, it is amazing that God loves us, and care about all human beings on earth and desires for us to share Christ, die to ourselves and live for Christ, to live by the spirit in faith. To Trust God and rely on the Lord Jesus Christ, whom provides. To read the Bible to keep our faith in tact, and not to forget the good words of the Bible, that help fortify your faith as you continue to live in this world, but being a part of the new Spiritual Kingdom which is the Heavenly Jerusalem above.
New Life is given to those who desire to seek out God in faith, which God rewards good rewards accordingly also too we can ask for wisdom as long we do not doubt and are not asking for things in selfish means. Instead as Christians we are called to pray and lift others up even pray for our enemies in the name of Christ, to love God and to love others will always been the most important.
(Even though people may say that believing Jesus Christ has had the victory over all things would be crazy - because the Devil is not done away with- like John states in Revelation - still waiting on the devil to be done away with)
What remains now to me personally in this day in age? Darkness, and just like "school spirit" - spirit of lust, greed, hatred, murderous, and the like do still exist that happen to influence our soul in which we choose with-in our soul to make those decisions, until it washed away by the reading of the Bible.
Satan LOVES it when people believe he doesn't exist!
Revelation 12
9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Well there is a lot to go through then Jack, because everything I am presenting is from scripture, unless something is in conjecture.
World has an interesting definition in Revelation 12:9
[world].
οἰκουμένην (oikoumenēn)
Noun - Accusative Feminine Singular
Strong's 3625: Feminine participle present passive of oikeo; land, i.e. The globe; specially, the Roman empire.
World has an interesting definition in Revelation 12:9
[world].
οἰκουμένην (oikoumenēn)
Noun - Accusative Feminine Singular
Strong's 3625: Feminine participle present passive of oikeo; land, i.e. The globe; specially, the Roman empire.
Words are defined my friend.
They have a purpose and a use.
No need to explain, other than when it mentions whole world - it means the whole Roman Empire the whole land, and not the whole world like - USA, or RUSSIA or something else.
They have a purpose and a use.
No need to explain, other than when it mentions whole world - it means the whole Roman Empire the whole land, and not the whole world like - USA, or RUSSIA or something else.
Ronald Nolette
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Well this is more a linguistic issue than anything else. Jesus did not remove our sins from us!
He removed the penalty of our sins. He is the propitiation of th esins of th e world- and that means the acceptable sacrifice. He also destroyed th epower sin had over us, so we need not sin, but th ereality of that is that we still live in bodies of sin and death and have not been perfected yet.
Strong's Concordance
oikoumené: the inhabited earth
Original Word: οἰκουμένη, ης, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: oikoumené
Phonetic Spelling: (oy-kou-men'-ay)
Definition: the inhabited earth
Usage: (properly: the land that is being inhabited, the land in a state of habitation), the inhabited world, that is, the Roman world, for all outside it was regarded as of no account.
oikoumené: the inhabited earth
Original Word: οἰκουμένη, ης, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: oikoumené
Phonetic Spelling: (oy-kou-men'-ay)
Definition: the inhabited earth
Usage: (properly: the land that is being inhabited, the land in a state of habitation), the inhabited world, that is, the Roman world, for all outside it was regarded as of no account.
Hmmm. So you believe Satan doesn't exist? Gee, I wonder why this world is almost Hell on earth. The Devil maybe?
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Never have said that, I believe that Satan/Devil had dominion for awhile until his defeat which happened with-in the contents and context of the Revelation of Jesus Christ from God given to John the Apostle.
You said: "The Devil, the False Prophet, and the Beast - all tormented forever and ever okay. Yes this is a reality to me it has happened they have been done away with."
So you believe the Devil doesn't exist? Even though the NT warns us about the snares of the Devil?
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