If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

[pittsburghjoe]

Do you still have the Reborn Kingdom Image if you can't see JESUS as a King today?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Why would GOD give people direct proof in a Millennium Reign after The Return if this entire reality is based on Faith for SALVATION?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Did Judaism lose the claim to The Abrahamic Covenant after they couldn't claim Faith in The MESSIAH after His Advent? If so, why do we assume current day physical Israel has anything to do with GOD'S Promises?


Mat 23:38-39
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

JESUS said “Ye shall not see me henceforth,”, He didn’t say He was handing them physical land back. And they didn’t Call out to Him anyways.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Jeremiah 31:36-37

If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they

 

[Taken]

Why in the world would there be a thousand years where people get a better chance of being Saved?

My question would be to your perspective ...WHY NOT?

 

[Taken]

Does anyone get how ridiculous it is to want a physical Kingdom just like the Jews overlooked? JESUS said He went to prepare a place for us ...He didn't say it was here for the infinite afterlife.

Man does not STOP being a man, because he is saved or quickened.
Earth was created for mans habitat.
That has not changed. Earth will Always be mans Habit. (But in the big picture, a I believe a few exceptions, but another topic all together.)

Please stop with this nonsense of a 1000 years where people have direct proof of GOD ...that's not how this works. This reality is built on the Free Will Choice to Choose GOD'S Plan of SALVATION. There is no choice if you can see GOD.

If you STAY in the Order and Way....it is Jesus (with Power), that shall reign 1,000 years ON EARTH, while Mortals, and Spiritually Quickened men occupy the Earth.
NO MORTAL “sees” God, not now, not during the 1,000 yr reign.
So your implication of .... people seeing God, so then choose to believe is MOOT.

 

[Taken]

Jeremiah 31:36-37

IF those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, THEN the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they

IF - THEN ... is a warning.
“That” IF - THEN....was an example TO men, during Jeremiah’s day, that SOME MEN of ISREAL previously, in days “Before” Jeremiah..WERE CUT OFF...and ALL COULD be CUT off, if ALL do not heed the warning.

A history lesson of sorts, to know what DID happen historically, to SOME of Israel, beware and not let the same happen to you. (Speaking to present audience of Israel listeners).

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Man does not STOP being a man, because he is saved or quickened.
Earth was created for mans habitat.
That has not changed. Earth will Always be mans Habit. (But in the big picture, a I believe a few exceptions, but another topic all together.)



If you STAY in the Order and Way....it is Jesus (with Power), that shall reign 1,000 years ON EARTH, while Mortals, and Spiritually Quickened men occupy the Earth.
NO MORTAL “sees” God, not now, not during the 1,000 yr reign.
So your implication of .... people seeing God, so then choose to believe is MOOT.

If they won't see GOD ...then what it preventing It from being right now?

 

[amigo de christo]

Yeah, it's easy for Christ's elect faithful servants to recognize the 'crept in unawares' that don't represent Him. Just think of it too, some of the orthodox unbelieving Jews try to make out like today's nation state of Israel is... the FINAL RETURN per Old Testament Scripture! That would mean exactly what these cats here are saying, that Israel has already been restored, even though the majority of Jews in today's nation state of Israel still treat Jesus of Nazareth as a seditionist.

Even when they read Amos the veil is still upon their hearts . They seek the natural kingdom and not the heavenly one .
Seek that which is above which cometh from the Father of lights . True jerusalem is above
and the temple of it , IS GOD and the LAMB .
Speaking again about amos , i will now quoate a certain verse .
Remember where it speaks about them returning and they will build again the waste places and etc ,
many orthodox jews , as well as many even within christendom are applying this
to the natural . They are being taken into the end time snare .
Can i prove that amos was speaking about a spiritual Kingdom and the building in it has to do with the preaching of the gospel .
I CAN . GO to acts , PETER quaotes amos . HE QUAOTES AMOS and PETER is speaking spiritual , about Christ
about the gospel and etc . TOO MANY are being woven and have been woven into the kingdoms of this earth
this hope in the kingdom of natural jerusalem . WHEN IN TRUTH ITS ALL ABOUT THE HEAVENLY KINGDOM
which is above .

 

[APAK]

WHEN IN TRUTH ITS ALL ABOUT THE HEAVENLY KINGDOM
which is above .

And on earth, in each and very true believer in Christ...

 

[amigo de christo]

And on earth, in each and very true believer in Christ...

Yes indeed my friend . Notice it says in revelation that GOD and the LAMB are the temple .
What is our connection on earth to that which is in heaven , ITS THE SPIRIT .
Thus if any man truly has the SPIRIT of CHRIST , then he is already IN the KINGDOM .
But i must warn us all , if anyone is connected to this NAR KINGDOM NOW THEOLOGY , MY ADVICE IS RUN
RUN , AND RUN FROM IT , for they are FALSE .

 

[Taken]

If they won't see GOD ...then what it preventing It from being right now?

You mean....why are some NOT already “glorified” and can “see God NOW”, even though others can not?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Even when they read Amos the veil is still upon their hearts . They seek the natural kingdom and not the heavenly one .
Seek that which is above which cometh from the Father of lights . True jerusalem is above
and the temple of it , IS GOD and the LAMB .
Speaking again about amos , i will now quoate a certain verse .
Remember where it speaks about them returning and they will build again the waste places and etc ,
many orthodox jews , as well as many even within christendom are applying this
to the natural . They are being taken into the end time snare .
Can i prove that amos was speaking about a spiritual Kingdom and the building in it has to do with the preaching of the gospel .
I CAN . GO to acts , PETER quaotes amos . HE QUAOTES AMOS and PETER is speaking spiritual , about Christ
about the gospel and etc . TOO MANY are being woven and have been woven into the kingdoms of this earth
this hope in the kingdom of natural jerusalem . WHEN IN TRUTH ITS ALL ABOUT THE HEAVENLY KINGDOM
which is above .

The Kingdom of The Body of CHRIST is LIGHT (Wisdom/Tree of LIFE). We are Pillars in a Kingdom of LIGHT right now. We reign with CHRIST with Light, not physical rule ...what is going on with Premills/pharisees wanting that kind of power? We reign with Light over darkness.

Matthew 6:19-24
Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

 

[Taken]

Do you still have the Reborn Kingdom Image if you can't see JESUS as a King today?

What we have is KNOWLEDGE Jesus IS Lawfully “entitled” to Sit as King in an Earthly Kingdom....
according TO: Jewish Law and (edited; Major world) Gentile Law and Gods requirement.
Jesus is the only one who fits all three.

 

[Taken]

If they won't see GOD ...then what it preventing It from being right now?

God Pleasure of when things shall be known, and shall be manifested.

 

[Davy]

That's maybe one of you major assumptions that rules your thoughts...your 'Day of the Lord' as a one time action and one event. This expression is used for multiple ideas in scripture...

Let me go on in Zechariah again if you do not have an objection?...(rhetorical)

Zechariah in Chapter 14:4 pointed to a dual prophecy: The actual splitting of the Mount of Olives as I've already mentioned during the times of the Maccabean Was and also when Christ died on the Cross.

Some if not many scholars believe that Christ was crucified on the mount of Olives directly in line of sight with the east gate of the Temple in Jerusalem opposite of the mount of Olives on Mount Zion. So when Christ gave up his own spirit, the veil of the Temple was split as recorded in Matt 27:51. Even if the place of death was not exactly on this Mount, the earthquake was sufficiently extensive to further divide the Mount of Olives across the East West direction.

Zechariah 14..
Verse 9...when Christ died on the Cross and was resurrected and ascended into heaven, he became the only ONE true King of this world.
Verse 11: Jerusalem will always be inhabited henceforth. A triple prophecy of the physical destruction and plundering of Jerusalem during the 2nd Century BC and when it was utterly destroyed by 70AD, by the Roman army. And then later inhabited, or occupied, although never by the ethnic house of Israel anymore.

The New Jerusalem since Christ as King is scheduled to be inhabited by the Body of Christ when the King returns to bring them home. The Body of the King are its true inhabitants, the true Israel of the New Jerusalem. They will never leave.
Verse 12 addresses at least Antiochus Epiphanies, who died from a disease that caused his flesh to rot off.
Verse 14: the Maccabees (Machabees) or Judahite rebels seized vast amounts of plunder.
Verses 16-19: the Judahites are called to hold to the Feast of Tabernacles. And a new Feast of Tabernacles was instituted during the Maccabean Wars to celebrate the miracle that occurred at the rededication of the Temple. Called the Feast of Tabernacles in the 'Book of Maccabees,' and better known as the holiday today as Hanukah. The Judahites in Egypt were to continue to celebrate this new Feast of Tabernacles.

---------and there's more---------------

Let's set the above doctrine from men to rest.

The Zechariah 14 Scripture is very clear that it is about the day of Jesus Christ's RETURN to this earth, LITERALLY. Not only that, but it reveals His return back to the Mount of Olives where He ascended to Heaven from in view of His disciples, that per Acts 1.

So someone who tries to make out like Zechariah 14 was some 'dual prophecy' simply don't know what they are talking about! Why? Because it would mean a 2 time return of Jesus Christ back to Jerusalem, de facto in Person!

Not only does common sense in The Scriptures reveal this, but just continuing to read what all is revealed in Zechariah 14 makes it very difficult for nut jobs to get away from that future timing, because even the River of the waters of Life is revealed returning there with Christ, and also ALL His saints with Him!

So what kind of idiot would come up with stupid doctrines that propose Zechariah 14 was already fulfilled in history, and will be fulfilled again? The answer to that is EASY. Only a total Biblically illiterate, OR an orthodox unbelieving Jew, because Zechariah 14 is DEFINITELY about Christians gathered to the holy land by Jesus when His feet touch down upon the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem!

 

[amigo de christo]

You mean....why are some NOT already “glorified” and can “see God NOW”, even though others can not?

Even paul spoke of a day in which we would SEE GOD . No one here has seen GOD face to face . And if any says otherwise
they are a liar . harsh words but true words . WE know in part and we prophecy in part , BUT ON THAT DAY , THEN
face to face . I am on an all out war path against them false preachers who preach as though they have already seen this or that .
Even if some have had the revelations even i have , or even paul had , me and paul both knew we are but men .
Them sid roth phonies and all others i will expose . You have not , i have not , SEEN GOD , SEEN CHRIST
face to face . We may well have been glorified in Christ and we may well have had some visions , but no man
has yet SEEN HIM . WHOM no man has seen nor yet can see . And most folks who claim to have seen him
and sadly even to know Him are preaching some serious errors still . THEY AINT SEEN HIM OR KNOWN HIM .
If the bible bores us and we have to find some new kind of feeling and entertainment of men , WE DUPED . DUPED .
May that scare even the skin off folks . IF simply reading the bible for ourselves aint enough but we have to gather
time after time under some new teaching , I GOT BAD NEWS, WE DUPED ALREADY .
DO be encouraged . BUT i watch folks . I dont do it for any other reason than to help them . cause what most folks preach today
contains the mix . THEY DUPED as much and more than those who are ice cold .

 

[Davy]

Even when they read Amos the veil is still upon their hearts . They seek the natural kingdom and not the heavenly one .
Seek that which is above which cometh from the Father of lights . True jerusalem is above
and the temple of it , IS GOD and the LAMB .
Speaking again about amos , i will now quoate a certain verse .
Remember where it speaks about them returning and they will build again the waste places and etc ,
many orthodox jews , as well as many even within christendom are applying this
to the natural . They are being taken into the end time snare .
Can i prove that amos was speaking about a spiritual Kingdom and the building in it has to do with the preaching of the gospel .
I CAN . GO to acts , PETER quaotes amos . HE QUAOTES AMOS and PETER is speaking spiritual , about Christ
about the gospel and etc . TOO MANY are being woven and have been woven into the kingdoms of this earth
this hope in the kingdom of natural jerusalem . WHEN IN TRUTH ITS ALL ABOUT THE HEAVENLY KINGDOM
which is above .

I can't agree with all that. God said He did not create the earth tohu ("without form", "vain" in Isaiah 45:18 but same word as in Genesis 1:2), but to be lived upon. And that is how His future Eternity of the new heavens and a new earth will be. As He said in Isaiah, we will build houses and plant vineyards in His future Kingdom. And Apostle Paul said those of Faith inherit with faithful Abraham (Galatians 3). That means the holy lands God promised Israel's fathers, here on earth. Even Revelation 5:10 shows those in Christ will reign on the earth.

Why then, do so many brethren not understand what Paul was talking about when he pointed to Heavenly Jerusalem for during this present world time, when he never disagreed with Revelation 21 that shows the Heavenly Jerusalem is going to come DOWN to this earth out of Heaven in the future?

After all, Genesis 2 shows us God's Garden of Eden, His Paradise, was once upon this earth. And He walked in that Garden.

 

[amigo de christo]

God Pleasure of when things shall be known, and shall be manifested.

Ps dont hold your breath , dont even think this is manifest in this world . Dont heed nar
done heed the CC . This world is worse than ever , an end time sign that the coming of JESUS does indeed draw nigh .
JESUS SECOND COMING aint what more and more folks think it is . For they believe and think its when CHRIST comes to indwell us .
Rather odd that peter , james , paul and others who HAD THIS INDWELLING , STILL SPOKE and warned OF HIS COMING.
THIS COMING HAS NOT YET HAPPENED . NOT YET . IF it had
why on earth is the world still so full and worse than ever of evil . The truth is this , we have simply TASTED , just tasted of the world
that is to come . cause we tasted of RIGHTEOUSNESS and RIGHTEOUSNESS LIVING , BOTH of which this world knows not .
JESUS IS COMING . WE BETTER BELIEVE THIS , or prepare to wail as will many . I WAIT FOR , HOPE FOR and LONG FOR
the new heavens and the new earth , which though i have tasted of it , HAS NOT YET COME .

 

[amigo de christo]

I can't agree with all that. God said He did not create the earth tohu ("without form", "vain" in Isaiah 45:18 but same word as in Genesis 1:2), but to be lived upon. And that is how His future Eternity of the new heavens and a new earth will be. As He said in Isaiah, we will build houses and plant vineyards in His future Kingdom. And Apostle Paul said those of Faith inherit with faithful Abraham (Galatians 3). That means the holy lands God promised Israel's fathers, here on earth. Even Revelation 5:10 shows those in Christ will reign on the earth.

Why then, do so many brethren not understand what Paul was talking about when he pointed to Heavenly Jerusalem for during this present world time, when he never disagreed with Revelation 21 that shows the Heavenly Jerusalem is going to come DOWN to this earth out of Heaven in the future?

After all, Genesis 2 shows us God's Garden of Eden, His Paradise, was once upon this earth. And He walked in that Garden.

YOU OVER THINKING . WHERE does what i said disagree with a FUTURE TIME WHEN THE ACTUAL KINGDOM OF HEAVEN ,
whereby lambs are already made partakers of by the SPIRIT disagree with A FUTURE ACTUAL ON EARTH COMING
I have always said , THIS KINGDOM is one day gonna descend on earth . For now its in the heavens
and in our hearts . This ol dung hole we know as the world aint gonna last forever . ONE DAY
All the old is gonna be burned up , Just as the old has already , OR SHOULD HAVE BEEN ALREADY , burned out of the hearts of lambs .
WE hunger for what we have tasted in JESUS . A new world and new heavens . ITS COMING and the JW wont be part of said kingdom .
EVEN if they had a part right . ROME even has a part right , but neither clings to Christ . Date setters are DISQAULIFIED
from the kingdom . A hint , if you are following any leader who at any time set dates of the COMING of CHRIST
or agreed with said leaders , DISQUALIFED FROM THE KINGDOM ye have been .
That just disqualified a whole lot . TIME TO OPEN BIBLES and ps , dont trust in men who claim to know greek
and thus have a better understanding or better bible . START TRUSTIN IN JESUS and BIBLE
and not the bible of men who set dates and hollered we know the greek and thus can give you either a new bible
or better understanding of said bible .