Illuminati

[WhiteKnuckle]

Buying and selling,

You guys have your eyes open and are seeing what's going on. I just think the blame and conspiracies are faulty and a waste of time.

Corporations,,, They're what control. Buying and selling, more money more power. He who controls the stuff controls the world. They have what we all need, food, shelter, and medical. On top of that they also control entertainment. Everything is geared towards buying and selling.

Globalization,,,, In the "powers that be" this has nothing more to do with making the rich richer. As far as corporations are concerned, there are no borders. They only have to work through the tariffs and such, which they want to get rid of.

The government is just following suit, But, the globalization wont be government specifically, it'll be corporate. The governements are merely pawns to the ultra rich.

Now, if we have a global economy, wouldn't it make sense that a person (anti-christ) would be able to capitalize on that? Not to mention a clebrity status, such as Opra already has here own cult. To many she's the answer. Here cronies buy what she suggests, and believe what she explains, she delves into the religion subject very often and very strongly.

Sure there's going to be some sort of global government, but, it's geared towards the market place. It's easy for people to worship someone that has everything and controls everything.

 

[veteran]

Veteran

You know when people have conversations they give an opinion within the group having the conversation.

I don't recall have a direct personal converstaion with only you. Also I note you were not the person who started the Thread but seems as if you have decided to take over and give a list of criteria that posters should follow.

So my opinions didn't statisfy what you wanted to converse about. No need to get your knickers in a knot over it.

You have now outlined in painful detail what you only want to talk about. Fine I have nothing to say on that topic with you.

Please take a deep breath and lets move on. You talk to people who you want to and I will converse with those who want to engage me. If I get totally ignored I guess I will have to just talk to myself?

You say tomato and I say tomato.... let's call the whole thing off?

My apologies for frustrating you and not engaging you conversation as you desired.

No problem, so long as you recognize the difference between fact and opinion. My posting of the facts was not just for your benefit. It was for all those who only have a personal opinion about the matter but don't know there's real factual documentation that exists which support a real conspiracy against God and man. Because God in His Word also warned us about it means we should take heed, and not simply try to pass the matter off using popular opinion.

 

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Conspiracy theories abound. Some are real and some are not. A TV pundit I watch is fond of saying that people engaged in a conspiracy have an agenda. The truth does not have an agenda. I suppose we can debate that one until the cows come home (what time is that anyway?), but my point is that those who stand to profit most from a real conspiracy generally resort to fear mongering about an imagined one.

The classic case of fear mongering is the invention of a Jewish conspiracy by the NAZIs prior to and during their aggression in Europe and Africa. The real German agenda was to advance the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP) at the expense of innocent Jews. Even Henry Ford, the founder of the auto company, engaged at one time in the anti-semitic fantasy of Jewish international conspiracy SO AS TO ADVANCE SALES. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall any Jewish car company being a competitor for the model T, Ford trucks or buses. Mr. Ford eventually recanted and apologized for his public remarks. Most of us know what happened to the Germans.

The only real international Jewish organization I'm aware of is the Zionist movement. It's agenda was the establishment, development, promotion and preservation of the Jewish homeland; Israel. To this day the enemies of Israel use the Zionist movement as a scapegoat for their agenda of brutality and war.

Is the sky falling little chicken? I have found that faith in Christ is a mental comfort as well as a spiritual salve. It clears the head as well as saves the soul and with a clear head the conspiracies can usually be seen for what they truly are; fear mongering.

 

[veteran]

Conspiracy theories abound. Some are real and some are not. A TV pundit I watch is fond of saying that people engaged in a conspiracy have an agenda. The truth does not have an agenda. I suppose we can debate that one until the cows come home (what time is that anyway?), but my point is that those who stand to profit most from a real conspiracy generally resort to fear mongering about an imagined one.

The classic case of fear mongering is the invention of a Jewish conspiracy by the NAZIs prior to and during their aggression in Europe and Africa. The real German agenda was to advance the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP) at the expense of innocent Jews. Even Henry Ford, the founder of the auto company, engaged at one time in the anti-semitic fantasy of Jewish international conspiracy SO AS TO ADVANCE SALES. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall any Jewish car company being a competitor for the model T, Ford trucks or buses. Mr. Ford eventually recanted and apologized for his public remarks. Most of us know what happened to the Germans.

The only real international Jewish organization I'm aware of is the Zionist movement. It's agenda was the establishment, development, promotion and preservation of the Jewish homeland; Israel. To this day the enemies of Israel use the Zionist movement as a scapegoat for their agenda of brutality and war.

Is the sky falling little chicken? I have found that faith in Christ is a mental comfort as well as a spiritual salve. It clears the head as well as saves the soul and with a clear head the conspiracies can usually be seen for what they truly are; fear mongering.

So, were the 18th century works by John Robison and the Abbe Barruel exposing the Bavarian Illuminiati conspiracy nothing but "fear mongering"?

What about Georgetown history professor Caroll Quigley's 1960's work Tragedy And Hope in which he detailed the foundation and purposes of groups like the British Round Table and its Americn branch called the Council On Foreign Relations, and the Rhodes scholarship programs towards the internationalist movement of one world government? Was he fear mongering also?

Is the Tri-lateral Commission an organization of fear mongering?

It's like I said before. There's a huge difference between fact about a conspiracy and mere public opinion about one.

Here's a link with info about the proposed North American Security and Prosperity Partnership. Especially note links at end of article for further documentation right out the mouths of those who are pushing for it.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=70864

 

[Amazing Grace]

You have VASTLY underestimated Satan's activities in this world.

"What I am saying is Satan is not as powerful as people think he is."

He is the god of this age. You don't seem to recognize him.

Jesus is my Lord I have no other!

The Devil is on the way to everlasting destruction. No I don't recognise any power that he has at all.

I'm not bothered by the devil and I certainly don't fear him.

Good grief the only thing that can happen to me in this world is that I end up Dead. Then I'm with Jesus.

 

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No problem, so long as you recognize the difference between fact and opinion. My posting of the facts was not just for your benefit. It was for all those who only have a personal opinion about the matter but don't know there's real factual documentation that exists which support a real conspiracy against God and man. Because God in His Word also warned us about it means we should take heed, and not simply try to pass the matter off using popular opinion.

You are saying I ignore the Bible and don't know my fact from fiction.

You know I what I do is and think is based on the Bible and my desire to serve God. I am not lazy or in need of being pulled up by you because I don't spend my time studying The Devils conspiracy against God and you want proof as to why I don't need to. I said it before and I'll say it again I only need the Gospel.

Here is a Bible fact. Since you only deal in fact.

How do people get saved? Through hearing the Word of God the Gospel of Salvation or the Good news. Last time I looked it didn't mention one thing in there about the Devil in the Gospel message or the Good News it was ALL about Christ Jesus.

(I am not saying there is no warning in the Bible against Satan just the Gospel message is not about the Devil at all!)

MK 1:14 After John was put in prison, Jesus went into Galilee, proclaiming the good news of God. 15 "The time has come," he said. "The kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe the good news!"

MT 9:35 Jesus went through all the towns and villages, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the good news of the kingdom and healing every disease and sickness.

Acts 17:18 A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to dispute with him. Some of them asked, "What is this babbler trying to say?" Others remarked, "He seems to be advocating foreign gods." They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection.

MK 16:15 He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.


LK 2:8 And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. 9 An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. 10 But the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid. I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. 11 Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord. 12 This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger."


LK 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor.


AC 5:41 The apostles left the Sanhedrin, rejoicing because they had been counted worthy of suffering disgrace for the Name. 42 Day after day, in the temple courts and from house to house, they never stopped teaching and proclaiming the good news that Jesus is the Christ.

AC 10:34 Then Peter began to speak: "I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism 35 but accepts men from every nation who fear him and do what is right. 36 You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, telling the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.


AC 11:19 Now those who had been scattered by the persecution in connection with Stephen traveled as far as Phoenicia, Cyprus and Antioch, telling the message only to Jews. 20 Some of them, however, men from Cyprus and Cyrene, went to Antioch and began to speak to Greeks also, telling them the good news about the Lord Jesus. 21 The Lord's hand was with them, and a great number of people believed and turned to the Lord.

So Bible fact is you only need the Gospel, the Good News about Jesus to enable people to come to a knowledge of His Truth and be Saved.

As I said before I don't need conspiracy theories, wether they are in the Bible or writings about secret socities.

You can dismiss my opinion but my opinion was based on Bible FACT.

Take it up with Jesus your problem is not with me.

RO 10:14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"

Where are the devil's conspiracies taught when Jesus, John tht Bptist or the disciples preached the good news that lead to salvation?

 

[veteran]

You are saying I ignore the Bible and don't know my fact from fiction.

No, I didn't say you ignore the Bible. But I don't think you're even awre of this matter in God's Word. Concerning the matter of the Illuminism movement, right, you don't know how to distinguish its fact from fiction. If you did know the difference you wouldn't be so ready to pass it off as just another conspircy 'theory'.

You know I what I do is and think is based on the Bible and my desire to serve God. I am not lazy or in need of being pulled up by you because I don't spend my time studying The Devils conspiracy against God and you want proof as to why I don't need to. I said it before and I'll say it again I only need the Gospel.

I don't need proof why you're not aware of the conspiracy according to God's Word. You've already revealed why you don't know; it's because you've showed us you're not concerned about it, that you really don't care to know. But who are you listening to with that kind of thinking? Is it man or God? If you say you listen to God, then why aren't you aware of it since He foretold us about it in His Word?

Here is a Bible fact. Since you only deal in fact.

Facts are good, but some supposition is sometimes necessary too. I have opinions just like everyone else too. But opinion and supposition is still different than documented evidence.

How do people get saved? Through hearing the Word of God the Gospel of Salvation or the Good news. Last time I looked it didn't mention one thing in there about the Devil in the Gospel message or the Good News it was ALL about Christ Jesus.

(I am not saying there is no warning in the Bible against Satan just the Gospel message is not about the Devil at all!)

The Gospel of Jesus Christ involves our Lord's death on the cross. And by His death He did what per Hebrews 2:14? He defeated the devil and death. So The Gospel is also about Victory over the Devil. That defeat is a very big part of The Gospel because that's how we are promised everlasting life through Christ Jesus, because of His death on the cross in defeating death and the devil for us. So it's best to not try and use all that for some analogy to prove your points. It's off-track from the subject here.

So Bible fact is you only need the Gospel, the Good News about Jesus to enable people to come to a knowledge of His Truth and be Saved.

By not understanding the warnings for the end of this world our Lord gave, a believer might put theirselves in spiritual danger, in shame to our Lord Jesus (note Christ's warning in Rev.16:15 about keeping ones garments lest they appear in shame. That warning is to His saints, not to the unbelievers). Apostle Paul warned about a great falling away of many of God's people in the last days. Our Lord Jesus also warned us to not allow any man to deceive us. So there is a major warning for the end about being deceived, and it's a warning to Christ's believers. That's why when Christ returns He will close the door on the five foolish virgins. The foolish virgins won't listen to Him in His Word about the warnings and signs He gave for the end. Instead, they listen to men and their doctrines. And one of men's doctrines is the 'once saved, always saved' idea.

As I said before I don't need conspiracy theories, wether they are in the Bible or writings about secret socities.

You can dismiss my opinion but my opinion was based on Bible FACT.

Take it up with Jesus your problem is not with me.

I have no problem with listening to God in His Word. I prefer His Word staight up instead of listening to Church doctrines of men's organizations. You simply don't know what you're saying. There's documented evidence for a conspiracy over all the earth in the last days, and God's Word covers it too. So it's impossible for your opinion on the matter to be Bible based, since you've assigned such things as a theory. Most likely, your opinion is based on the doctrines of men you listen to at your local Church.

Where are the devil's conspiracies taught when Jesus, John tht Bptist or the disciples preached the good news that lead to salvation?

If you knew what you were talking about, you would have noticed how John the Baptist rebuked the conspirators like our Lord Jesus did later. When Apostle John was told to take the Book and eat it, he was told it would be sweet as honey in the mouth, but in the belly it would be bitter. To understand what that's about, one must take ALL The Word of God and eat It; not just focusing on the sweet parts only. To know the Truth, one must take the sweet with the bitter. The grand conspiracy covered in God's Word is about the bitter part. If our Lord didn't want us to know about it He would not have covered it in His Word, especially in His Book of Revelation which is primarily about the end of this world.

 

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So, were the 18th century works by John Robison and the Abbe Barruel exposing the Bavarian Illuminiati conspiracy nothing but "fear mongering"?

What about Georgetown history professor Caroll Quigley's 1960's work Tragedy And Hope in which he detailed the foundation and purposes of groups like the British Round Table and its Americn branch called the Council On Foreign Relations, and the Rhodes scholarship programs towards the internationalist movement of one world government? Was he fear mongering also?

Is the Tri-lateral Commission an organization of fear mongering?

It's like I said before. There's a huge difference between fact about a conspiracy and mere public opinion about one.

Here's a link with info about the proposed North American Security and Prosperity Partnership. Especially note links at end of article for further documentation right out the mouths of those who are pushing for it.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=70864

Ok, I'll bite.

The difference between fear mongering and the Peace of God is that fear mongering freezes one into terror and inactivity while the latter enables action.

If what you say is true, and you appear to be convinced of it, what exactly do you propose TO DO about it?

If all there is to the post series is the revelation of a conspiracy (and I grant that not all conspiracies are ficticious) WITHOUT action or response, then it is fear for fear's sake.

 

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Ok, I'll bite.

The difference between fear mongering and the Peace of God is that fear mongering freezes one into terror and inactivity while the latter enables action.

If what you say is true, and you appear to be convinced of it, what exactly do you propose TO DO about it?

If all there is to the post series is the revelation of a conspiracy (and I grant that not all conspiracies are ficticious) WITHOUT action or response, then it is fear for fear's sake.

"Fear mongering" is terminology the deceived came up with for those who try to warn them. To the Jews in Jerusalem during Jeremiah's day, "fear mongering" is a term they would have likely used against Jeremiah for giving them God's warning. They even put Jeremiah in jail for warning them of what was coming.

The majority want smooth things preached in their ears, like God told Isaiah. They didn't want the Truth, and it's like that for many today. It will be like that for the end also. The deceived will deliver up many of God's elect for warning them of what's going on in the end. The world will even rejoice at the killing of God's two witnesses He will send to Jerusalem to prophesy against the world beast system and its false king in our near future (Rev.11).

But God's people who believe on His Son Jesus Christ are supposed to know and remain faithful. We are not to be deceived as others, not drunken in the night as others, not asleep but awake and sober. That's especially about the events of the end times, since Apostle Paul was speaking about the times and the seasons in 1 Thess.5 leading up to Christ's return.

This involves the matter of a grand conspiracy that's been going on designed to bring all nations together into a "one world government". Because God also reveals it in His Word does not mean He is for it, but only that He is warning His people about it so they will be forewarned. He said He tells us of things before they happen.

The primary danger to God's people in the matter is about their falling away to accept the coming one-world beast system, and the false one its conspirators are getting ready to proclaim to the whole world.

Those in 'fear' are those that refuse to accept God's Word about that coming beast system over all nations and peoples on the earth. The religious leaders have come up with all sorts of doctrines to help them deny its coming. The coming one world government system is the beast system of ten horns, ten crowns, and seven heads per Revelation 13:1. It is the beast kingdom that is to be present in the days of Christ's return to strike it upon its feet of ten toes per the Book of Daniel.

So in reality, someone applying the "fear monger" term to those who are warning others about it is like saying our Heavenly Father Himself is a fear monger, since He avidly warns about this event in His Holy Writ. The Rev.13 beast kingdom prophecy is not in one basket, and the conspiracy to overthrow all governments and religion like the Bavarian Illuminati proclaimed is not in another basket. They are both one and the same movement. One is Bible prophecy from our LORD, and the other is actual details about it tha become revealed.

What I propose to do about it is keep on openly preaching about it and giving warning like those who stay in Christ Jesus are called to do. Our Lord Jesus told us to not have fear. So hearing about this matter shouldn't cause His saints to have fear if they are truly in Him. However, if they instead are depending on the things of this world, and its leaders, then those do have reason to fear.

 

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"Fear mongering" is terminology the deceived came up with for those who try to warn them. To the Jews in Jerusalem during Jeremiah's day, "fear mongering" is a term they would have likely used against Jeremiah for giving them God's warning. They even put Jeremiah in jail for warning them of what was coming.

No argument there....

What I propose to do about it is keep on openly preaching about it and giving warning like those who stay in Christ Jesus are called to do. Our Lord Jesus told us to not have fear. So hearing about this matter shouldn't cause His saints to have fear if they are truly in Him. However, if they instead are depending on the things of this world, and its leaders, then those do have reason to fear.

I partially agree with you and only wanted to prod you into revealing your proposals on action.
I agree that there IS some sort of organized effort to create a global syndicate or cartel for the purpose of controlling goods and finance.
There are ones we know about and silent or semi-hidden ones we don't hear much about.

Discussions about these transparent groups are thought to be preposterous by the general population. Hey, most people still believe that their votes matter.
As an example, that the current wave of unrest in Muslim countries in North Africa and the middle east was orchestrated by western powers and has been in planning for at least three years. It isn't normally broadcast, yet it's true.

The current unrest in Libya is a French invention. There's a lot of hollering in the uS about a third war, but American forces are merely furnishing support for the French who are about to put boots on the ground there. Any time you read NATO in the news, substitute France. Want proof? Go read French news sources.
There is a reason Obama fled the country when the Libyan thing broke out and there's a reason he's blowing smoke in our faces now.

As for a supreme cartel, which would have oversight of all the rest, that is too deep for most to grasp whether it be fiction or fact.

The Bible does indeed say not to fear, but most Christians use that as an excuse for inaction instead of a goad to work.
Many justify their political inaction by coughing up scripture like so much phlegm.
At the same time they are culpable in supporting the bloated American military and it's unjust, illegal and immoral actions in foreign parts.

"My country, right or wrong," my mother used to say. Well, it isn't our country any more. Who then are we lending our support to?

"The corporate grip on opinion in the United States is one of the wonders of the Western world. No First World country has ever managed to eliminate so entirely from its media all objectivity - much less dissent."
Gore Vidal

 

[veteran]

No argument there....


I partially agree with you and only wanted to prod you into revealing your proposals on action.
I agree that there IS some sort of organized effort to create a global syndicate or cartel for the purpose of controlling goods and finance.
There are ones we know about and silent or semi-hidden ones we don't hear much about.

Discussions about these transparent groups are thought to be preposterous by the general population. Hey, most people still believe that their votes matter.
As an example, that the current wave of unrest in Muslim countries in North Africa and the middle east was orchestrated by western powers and has been in planning for at least three years. It isn't normally broadcast, yet it's true.

The current unrest in Libya is a French invention. There's a lot of hollering in the uS about a third war, but American forces are merely furnishing support for the French who are about to put boots on the ground there. Any time you read NATO in the news, substitute France. Want proof? Go read French news sources.
There is a reason Obama fled the country when the Libyan thing broke out and there's a reason he's blowing smoke in our faces now.

As for a supreme cartel, which would have oversight of all the rest, that is too deep for most to grasp whether it be fiction or fact.

The Bible does indeed say not to fear, but most Christians use that as an excuse for inaction instead of a goad to work.
Many justify their political inaction by coughing up scripture like so much phlegm.
At the same time they are culpable in supporting the bloated American military and it's unjust, illegal and immoral actions in foreign parts.

"My country, right or wrong," my mother used to say. Well, it isn't our country any more. Who then are we lending our support to?

"The corporate grip on opinion in the United States is one of the wonders of the Western world. No First World country has ever managed to eliminate so entirely from its media all objectivity - much less dissent."
Gore Vidal

Carrol Quigley, Georgetown history professor who taught Bill Clinton, and which Clinton endorsed, gave proof for what Vidal said there. Quigley in his work Tragedy And Hope revealed the British Round Table Group leaders sought control over the 25 most influential newspapers in America. Quigley named which newspapers in his book. He said if they could get edit control of them, then the majority of all other newspapers would follow. The UPI and API news wire services have been created since he said that. Those sources edit out a lot of info before it gets to the American public. All the little local newspapers follow those influential sources.

The headquarters for the Grand Occident that heads the western initiatic fraternal orders is located in France. The organization was linked to F.U.D.O.S.I., which is a French abbreviation for something like Universal Federation Society of Initiatic Orders. I recall it contained 12 member fraternities from a document I saw in the 1970's. The Rosicrucian Order (AMORC) established in San Jose, Ca. was one of them. The Disciples of Pythagoras was another. The fact that such orders still exist today verifies the ancient mystery schools of pagandom have continued, and they are established in the West also.

Try finding that kind of info in public newspapers or media. One won't. But because of a lack of it in the news media, that does not mean such things don't exist.

So the evidence is out there if one digs; it's just that most Christian brethren are not aware of it, or refuse to believe such a working could exist without their having heard of it in some major news source. I know my father trusted in the ABC, CBS, and NBC network news so much, that if they didn't report it, then it didn't happen. That's exactly how many are today.

God foretold us in His Word about this world beast movement, and the signs are out there to see it happenning. Most would be better off if they shut their TV's off for a while and got into God's Word about it first, and then turn their TV's on afterwards.

John Robison's 1798 Proofs Of A Conspiracy, and the Abbe Barruel's Memoirs Illustrating The History of Jacobism (?? name) - for a basis of understanding how the fraternity part of the movement works.

Carrol Quigley's Tragedy And Hope - to understand the U.S. political links to it. Quigley himself was an 'Insider', one of their own. Bill Clinton endorsed him.

Rene Wormser's work on Carrol Reese's Senate investigation of U.S. Tax Exempt Foundations - to understanding lot of the secret funding for subversion of public systems to Socialism in America by tax-free foundations.

Creature From Jekyll Island - to understand lot of the financial side (full of quotes right out of the beast workers mouths).

New Lies For Old, and The Peristroika Deception by Golitsyn, who reveals that goals for a one world government by the Communist International did not end with the Soviet system.

 

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Your remarks are very sobering and as I've read hints at what you're suggesting I can form no adequate argument against it.

You realize of course that the conclusion one is forced to accept from all this is nothing short of a global nightmare.

The suggestion remains that what we are faced with are disparate groups attempting to seize control of the world's masses.....or at least the leadership of individual nations. It seems to be very similar to the polarization of nations prior to WWII.

If they succeed, and there seems to be no indication that they will not, we will see major national alliances squared off against each other, but for what purpose?

 

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Your remarks are very sobering and as I've read hints at what you're suggesting I can form no adequate argument against it.

You realize of course that the conclusion one is forced to accept from all this is nothing short of a global nightmare.

The suggestion remains that what we are faced with are disparate groups attempting to seize control of the world's masses.....or at least the leadership of individual nations. It seems to be very similar to the polarization of nations prior to WWII.

If they succeed, and there seems to be no indication that they will not, we will see major national alliances squared off against each other, but for what purpose?

John Foster Dulles, a U.S. statesman of the '50's, said the way to one world government would be to use treaty making powers to do an end around our U.S. Constitution. The Washington D.C. airport was named after him, Dulles International.

I've known about the movement towards a one world government since the 1970's. That was before I got down to a thorough study in God's Word for myself. Cleon Skousen, an FBI agent in the 40's and '50's, mentioned in his 1958 book The Naked Communist, about the Soviet plan for a one world government. President Woodrow Wilson's right-hand man in the White House in the 1900's, Mandel House, wrote a work back then called Phillip Dru: Administrator. Mandel House was a globalist; he wrote that novel after the U.S. Congress disagreed in joining the League of Nations, their realizing it was an attack upon U.S. sovereignty.

Sir Thomas More in 16th century Britain wrote a work called Utopia. It was a fictional story about a supposed perfect island community based on Socialist idealism. It was anti-property rights. Its ideas were in conflict with the idea of monarchy, and were more aligned with Plato, Aristotle, and Cicero. In other words, it was an un-Biblical writing, more allied with the so-called free-thinkers of the Renaissance and age of reason philosophers of humanism. That's still the thinking being presented with today's movement towards globalsim and a one world government. Its seed idea has been around a long time.

This is the movement our LORD warned us about in His Word for the end of days. Many of those behind the movement actually believe it's going to be a good thing, a service to humanity, all nations joined in unity and world peace. Financial prosperity for all (controlled by the state), no more wars, no more hunger, etc. In More's Utopia, atheism was not allowed. But with Communism's goal of a one world government atheism would be predominat. Do you see something wrong with those two tenets in comparison? Obviously, those really behind it have enlisted the deceived by telling them a lie.

Per Quigley's '60's book Tragedy and Hope, Cecil B. Rhodes of Britain was a Socialist that wanted one world government. He gained his wealth through South African mining, and the African country of Rhodesia was named after him (now known as something else). After he died and left all his wealth to his students, they founded the British Round Table Group specifically designed to lead to a one world government using legislation. The British Socialists differ from Communist Socialists, in that Communism believes if their aims fail by peaceful means, then it's OK to continue using force (i.e., "war is a continuation of politics by other means"). The British Socialists would rather pass legislation, piece by piece, little by little to meet the goal. To help do that, the British Round Table created the Rhodes Scholarship Trust (i.e., Rhodes scholarship program). They also created an American version of their Round Table in the 1920's called the Council On Foreign Affairs, and a Pacific theatre version called something like the Pacific Institute of International Affairs. The latter group fell into bad repute because of Communists discovered working in it. Quigley stated in his book that the Round Table Group often works with Communism, and has no problem doing so.

Most likely, it was that kind of info Quigley put in his book that caused him to sue his publishers to discover why they quit printing his book so early. Quigley admitted he had been close to the movement most of his life, had been allowed to preview its secret records for two years, and that he had no problem with it, his only disagreement that the movement wished to remain unknown. Quigley said he felt the group's influence of western history was important enough to be known. He exposed that the Rhodes scholarship program is designed to train western leaders in passing legislation moving us to a one world government. Quigley was Bill Clinton's history professor at Georgetown University; Bill Clinton was selected as a Rhodes scholar and attended Oxford University in Britain.

Since that kind of info has been around for so many years now, and no one group of statesmen has been able to do anything about it, like passing legislation to seriously counteract their plan while protecting our U.S. Constitution, that helps reveal just how many lawmakers exist that are already onboard.

Not to be scared though, because God has ordained this to happen. It's what the ten horned, ten crowned, seven headed beast system is about. They actually believe they can create a Utopian Heaven on earth and call it God's Kingdom. So God is going to allow them to try, as it will exist for a short time. The globalists will not be patient with those who swear allegiance to something else, so they will persecute those of God's elect that simply won't agree with it. But for the majority of peoples and nations, they'll think it's the best thing that's happenned since sliced bread. Per Daniel 11, its working is also to be associated with a craft prosperity. In More's Utopia, all religions were tolerant of each other, living together peacefully.

This is why I believe today's financial crisis is a manipulation to serve towards bringing in a one world government, a tool to join nation's economies closer together. The DVD documentary Inside Job that came out a few weeks ago truly revealed the financial crisis today originated among a still unidentified elite group of international financiers, some of them linked to the Federal Reserve. The book Creature From Jekyll Island revealed the part the Federal Reserve private bank plays.

 

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I officially started believing in them formally about a year ago. I find it the world's equivalent of what John would call the beast in Revelation. The bible is in that sense every bit of a conspiracy theory according to the common man.

I see the masses being manipulated all the time. An example is medical and dietary misinformation. For example, they say to put on sun screen and avoid the sun. That's 180º opposite of what you should be doing as the sun converts your cholesterol into vitamin D. Oh, yeah, that's right. They tell you to lower your cholesterol as well (making everyone vitamin D deficient), and then we all sit here wondering why heart diseases, cancers, diabetes and whatnot is WORSE not better in spite of people dutifully following all this advice. I swear; I'm wondering if it isn't to kill off people deliberately.

The same can be said about politics, about economics and even religions.

Interesting that you should use sun screen as an example.

Years ago, when my wife and I moved to Florida, I began the liberal application of sun screen. A few years later I discovered that the lotion had created a terrible allergic reaction on my skin. The active ingredient at the time was something called PABA. I have developed skin cancers AT THE LOCATION where the lotion was most liberally applied and have a reaction to any liquid or lotion that has PABA in it.

For example, I ran out of shampoo once. My wife said that I could use hers if I didn't mind smelling like strawberries. I used it anyway. When I came out of the shower my wife was shocked. My entire body was bright red as though I had received a hard sunburn. I didn't mind smelling like a strawberry, but looking like one was not my plan.

To this day I meet with my dermatologist every six months for inspection and treatment. He always finds something. Fortunately, none of the cancers have been malignant.

Bottom line is that I try to watch the clock and keep my exposure to a minimum, wear a hat and try not to use lotion if possible.

PS I have noted that any lotion with PABA in it has been quietly removed from store shelves. They have closed the barn door after the horse got out.

This is why I believe today's financial crisis is a manipulation to serve towards bringing in a one world government, a tool to join nation's economies closer together. The DVD documentary Inside Job that came out a few weeks ago truly revealed the financial crisis today originated among a still unidentified elite group of international financiers, some of them linked to the Federal Reserve. The book Creature From Jekyll Island revealed the part the Federal Reserve private bank plays.

I noticed the movie INSIDE JOB. Doesn't Matt Damon narrate the thing? I've also heard about the book from Glenn Beck's program. He did a short review of it several weeks ago (before he himself became a news item).

I am not ignorant of history myself. All I can say at this point is that I wish I could poke holes in your argument.

I cannot.

 

[Duckybill]

Yes, there will be a World Government, soon. Tis the season.

Revelation 13:7 (NKJV)
[sup]7 [/sup]And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.

 

[veteran]

I noticed the movie INSIDE JOB. Doesn't Matt Damon narrate the thing? I've also heard about the book from Glenn Beck's program. He did a short review of it several weeks ago (before he himself became a news item).

I am not ignorant of history myself. All I can say at this point is that I wish I could poke holes in your argument.

I cannot.

Sometimes I'll rent a DVD like that based on someone's recommendation; other times it's just to see whether something is propaganda. Inside Job is not propaganda. It's not a movie either, it's a documentary, much like Ben Stein's Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed.

What Inside Job exposes reveals the very reason why we should have never left a gold standard backing U.S. currency. What international financiers actually did was to create a new form of money by turning mortgages (debt) into fake money (investment credit). It goes back to the old goldsmith practice of treating the 90% of gold people left in their safes as 'reserves' for speculation.

Many things have led up to financier's thinking like that. The practicies the Federal Reserve allows with a Fiat monetary system is one of the main instigators. Commercial banks have since long ago been allowed to actually 'create' money out of thin air based on 'reserves' policy governed by the Federal Reserve. Their allowed to do it by a simple bookkeeping entry to the good. The mortgage investment instrument financiers created did the same thing, turned the 'capability of mortgage loan payments' into a new type of money reserves that did not exist in reality. Then they traded and speculated with that new credit instrument just like it was real property or money. They even influenced the SEC and stock rating companies like Standard & Poors to give the new instrument solid investment ratings for investors.

Now financiers think they're real cute in doing such a thing, and even think the common people aren't smart enough to figure out what they were doing. (Like my Japanese economics college professor once said in class that girls weren't smart enough to understand high finance. No offence girls, he said it, I didn't, and most of that class was made up of girls).

People were in place already in our government and the Fed to stop such a thing before it could ever get started. Yet even they were in on it, as the interviews and news bites in Inside Job reveals. And some of the very people that were in on it were selected by Obama and now serve in his administration. Well did God speak of these people who ransack the poor...

Isa 3:13 The LORD standeth up to plead, and standeth to judge the people.
14 The LORD will enter into judgment with the ancients of His people, and the princes thereof: for ye have eaten up the vineyard; the spoil of the poor is in your houses.
15 What mean ye that ye beat My people to pieces, and grind the faces of the poor? saith the Lord GOD of hosts.
(KJV)

Amos 8:4-6
4 Hear this, O ye that swallow up the needy, even to make the poor of the land to fail,
5 Saying, "When will the new moon be gone, that we may sell corn? and the sabbath, that we may set forth wheat, making the ephah small, and the shekel great, and falsifying the balances by deceit?
6 That we may buy the poor for silver, and the needy for a pair of shoes; yea, and sell the refuse of the wheat?"
(KJV)

 

[aspen]

Matthew 16:23But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savior our est not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.




I hope you are not advocating for us - God's creation - to stand in the way of God's Will?

 

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Sometimes I'll rent a DVD like that based on someone's recommendation; other times it's just to see whether something is propaganda. Inside Job is not propaganda. It's not a movie either, it's a documentary, much like Ben Stein's Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed.

What Inside Job exposes reveals the very reason why we should have never left a gold standard backing U.S. currency. What international financiers actually did was to create a new form of money by turning mortgages (debt) into fake money (investment credit). It goes back to the old goldsmith practice of treating the 90% of gold people left in their safes as 'reserves' for speculation.

Many things have led up to financier's thinking like that. The practicies the Federal Reserve allows with a Fiat monetary system is one of the main instigators. Commercial banks have since long ago been allowed to actually 'create' money out of thin air based on 'reserves' policy governed by the Federal Reserve. Their allowed to do it by a simple bookkeeping entry to the good. The mortgage investment instrument financiers created did the same thing, turned the 'capability of mortgage loan payments' into a new type of money reserves that did not exist in reality. Then they traded and speculated with that new credit instrument just like it was real property or money. They even influenced the SEC and stock rating companies like Standard & Poors to give the new instrument solid investment ratings for investors.

Now financiers think they're real cute in doing such a thing, and even think the common people aren't smart enough to figure out what they were doing. (Like my Japanese economics college professor once said in class that girls weren't smart enough to understand high finance. No offence girls, he said it, I didn't, and most of that class was made up of girls).

People were in place already in our government and the Fed to stop such a thing before it could ever get started. Yet even they were in on it, as the interviews and news bites in Inside Job reveals. And some of the very people that were in on it were selected by Obama and now serve in his administration. Well did God speak of these people who ransack the poor...

Isa 3:13 The LORD standeth up to plead, and standeth to judge the people.
14 The LORD will enter into judgment with the ancients of His people, and the princes thereof: for ye have eaten up the vineyard; the spoil of the poor is in your houses.
15 What mean ye that ye beat My people to pieces, and grind the faces of the poor? saith the Lord GOD of hosts.
(KJV)

Amos 8:4-6
4 Hear this, O ye that swallow up the needy, even to make the poor of the land to fail,
5 Saying, "When will the new moon be gone, that we may sell corn? and the sabbath, that we may set forth wheat, making the ephah small, and the shekel great, and falsifying the balances by deceit?
6 That we may buy the poor for silver, and the needy for a pair of shoes; yea, and sell the refuse of the wheat?"
(KJV)

I guess I'll have a look at the movie.