I'm concerned that Trump is illuminati

[Reggie Belafonte]

Sorry , but , I am not deceived but can see quite clearly the hand of God operating in these world events, which is why their has been so much opposition to Donald Trump as the President and why his win blind-sided all the mainstream media jackals.The POTUS is a Nationalist, not a globalist and he is pro-Christianity which illuminati are Not, they are the direct opposite. President Donald Trump was a business man, he is a dyed in the wool Patriot with only the interests are the USA first and foremost is his priority, he is not a globalist, neither is he an illuminati. He is more akin to the nationalist type ideals that were held by President Ronald Reagan to make America Great Again - i.e. a self-identified strong thriving nation & reclaim it's status & power world-wide which Obama and his minions tried to dissipate. By the Trump win as President, GOD put the brakes on the globalist socialist elites agenda, whose goal is to put the whole world under a One World Global Socialist Government control, which is not far off in the future btw. The Globalists are in control of the UN, this is where the Agenda 21 was hatched & will be imposed from, and they Hate this Nationalist President Trump & all leaders who are thwarting their globalist agenda, which should be obvious. The POTUS is in direct opposition to the UN not in cahoots with it.

Hitler and Stalin would be truly proud of the UN nowadays. there aim was to control the whole world.

All people who think that one world government is a good thing are ignorant degenerates pawns who are simple minded fools that are happy to peddle there stupid moronic agenda on all of the races and Nations, not to mention the nonsense that they claim that all people are equal. well that is just truly nonsense, no one is equal and if hey were equal, they would all be the same in fact, so such is in fact a great lie. all that will happen is that all people will be dominated over by Satanist morons who can not handle the truth. so one must fit into their moronic stupid plans so they can dominate over all and everyone has to fall into line with the stupid madness, or they will deal with you or kill you, it's just the same deal as the Nazis and the Communist have did through history and just kill all who do not follow their own 3rd rate total insane madness.
I do not know why the majority do not understand this fact. when the NWO truly comes about and is controlled by one world Government, they are going to wipe out all who oppose them and there is nothing that any Nation can do about it. look at how the UN is controlling Nations now and our Political Leaders are just really only Puppets now and not to mention that your Vote means bugger all now, because our Governments have no control as such madness is being dictated to them.
We are being played for fools and we are going to become enslaved by the works of Satan. when one understands how Socialism truly works then you will understand how they play he games that they do, not to mention that you are giving away your freedom as the Government are Above the People under Socialism and you just become their cattle to be dealt with as they please, as you have no rights to control such Governments unless they want you to for show.

I know many fools that believe in Socialism and they think it the greatest thing in the world but sadly they are all short sighted and narrow minded not to mention ignorant of the reality of History. such are weak minded and have no true spiritual understanding and they are just like mongrel dogs in a pack like mentality, like the Bible says don't cast pearls before swine or they will only try to devourer you, I have seen such on display many a time with Atheist and so called ones claiming to be Christians, but they are just like wolfs pretending to be sheep and all people who Idolise Jews are Anti-Christ, no one could be so stupid to turn away from Jesus Christ and peddle such crap as Idolising so called Jews. it's just amazing that most people just do not get it, it's as simple as to understand that all who oppose Jesus Christ are not to be trusted at all because such are just like wild Pig trying to destroy Jesus True Christianity for just total crap.
True Christianity and Socialism just do not mix because Socialism has to be idolised like a god in fact and Jesus is under minded and pushed right out of the way and it sticks out like dogs balls to me I have seen it all in action and been attacked full on by such morons.

 

[mjrhealth]

More about trump and Israel

 

[mjrhealth]

I have no idea at all... as I said...that is God's business and between him and God.
I personally think many christians will be in for a shock when they get to the kingdom and see who is and who isn't!!

As I say..I vote for what the runner stands for and will fight for...


( although to be honest I am beginning to believe that no matter who votes for what and whoever...the left in all our countries will make sure they get control ...George Sorus wont let it happen again. )

Had one of our local polies ring up once to ask some questions, during the discussion , I mentioned to her, the problem with elections is the people never win, and it seems these days, you dont vote people in you vote governments out, which leaves a vacuum and who knows what has c..p gets sucked in yo fill the hole.

 

[Taken]

I followed a winding path and read so much that I don't even know where I began. You can start by researching Agenda 21. Henry Makow has a good site that will explain some of the basics: An Illuminati Primer

David Stewart has a lot of informational material: The TRUTH About 911!

Walter Veith has some excellent videos online if you search for them.

What is your proof that God exists?

My questions were...

What is the iluminati?

Who are Trumps masters?

Where is the proof for your claims?

Agenda 21 is an agenda authored in 1992 by the UN
Never heard of Henry Makow, David Stewart, Walter Veith.

Could you put next to my questions the answers...? Then we can move on to your question.

Taken

 

[Soverign Grace]

Heh, I'd be disappointed if Kushner is the antichrist. Like for reals, that's who was chosen - God and satan can do better, hehe.

Although, he does seem effiminate in his mannerisms and speech, or is that just me who sees that? Is his marriage to Ivanka a public show; could he really be a homosexual behind closed doors? Which would prove another prophecy, Daniel 11:37 "Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.".

I just can't see someone like Kushner magnifying himself above all; he's too introverted/quiet. Not that I'm right, he could be, or he could change into that; not sure right now. I think I'm getting ahead of myself with Kushner being the anti-christ.

And speaking of Ivanka, what kind of Christian converts back to judiaism? She did not understand at all. She converted into the "synagogue of satan", per Revelation 3:9. If they were jews of God, they would be in Christ Jesus, thus Christian, and not jews anymore. Ivanka went the opposite way - doesn't make sense....



Yes, but it is quite different than human writings. I believe in the "catching up"/"taking away", aka the "rapture". That's where my hope for the future is.

At this point in time, most of the world is anti-christ. I'd say, convservatively guessing, there's around 1.5 billion Christians (depending on one's view of catholics and/or protestants- sorry to anyone catholic or protestant, not trying to argue for or against, just stating some do). Everyone else is anti-christ/satanist.

Of those 1.5 billion or so, most are in the USA/Mexico, central/south America, and Europe (of course there are other Christian in different areas, just saying where the majority are).

If the "rapture" occurs, those areas will be depopulated, then the remaining anti-christ leaders can use almost any reason for the disappearances; though "aliens" took the hateful beings away so "mother earth" types can live in harmony, seems like the easiest explanation with all the "proof" of aliens in the last 40-50 years.

There's still 5-6 billion people left to rule. I don't think the anti-christ leaders really want much of a depopulation (just state publicly to get rid of the resistors/Christians), they want to rule, and rule as many as possible. So there depopulation documents are just a tool to use that "they" are in command and depopulating,when it's really God-the-Father and God-the-Son, to bring wrath upon this world.

edited to add: Also, I hope it's before 2025 - I'm ready to lift off to Heaven today!

edited to add: What about you? What do you think of a/the depopulation?

edited to add again (sorry): I just thought about something else. What if the "depopulation" is actually the satanists explaining the opening of the 4th seal in Revelation, whereby the 4th rider of the pale horse, goes out, and has power over the fourth of the earth - Revelation 6:8 "And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth"

And this depopulation cover by the antichrist leaders could be explaining both the "rapture" and the opening of the 4th seal.

Kushner does seem to be unusual. I read that some people claim that Michele Obama is a man. In a speech Obomination referred to her as "Michael" - almost as if he was mocking America for all to see.

That's the first I've ever heard that verse in Daniel. I'm in a time of spiritual growth and trying to piece everything together that I'm learning.

You're right about most of the world being anti-Christ; it's growing more that way by the day. I've taken a number of hits from people for my beliefs. People think you don't have both oars in the water. I read that the depopulation is planned for 2025.

Heh, I'd be disappointed if Kushner is the antichrist. Like for reals, that's who was chosen - God and satan can do better, hehe.

Although, he does seem effiminate in his mannerisms and speech, or is that just me who sees that? Is his marriage to Ivanka a public show; could he really be a homosexual behind closed doors? Which would prove another prophecy, Daniel 11:37 "Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.".

I just can't see someone like Kushner magnifying himself above all; he's too introverted/quiet. Not that I'm right, he could be, or he could change into that; not sure right now. I think I'm getting ahead of myself with Kushner being the anti-christ.

And speaking of Ivanka, what kind of Christian converts back to judiaism? She did not understand at all. She converted into the "synagogue of satan", per Revelation 3:9. If they were jews of God, they would be in Christ Jesus, thus Christian, and not jews anymore. Ivanka went the opposite way - doesn't make sense....



Yes, but it is quite different than human writings. I believe in the "catching up"/"taking away", aka the "rapture". That's where my hope for the future is.

At this point in time, most of the world is anti-christ. I'd say, convservatively guessing, there's around 1.5 billion Christians (depending on one's view of catholics and/or protestants- sorry to anyone catholic or protestant, not trying to argue for or against, just stating some do). Everyone else is anti-christ/satanist.

Of those 1.5 billion or so, most are in the USA/Mexico, central/south America, and Europe (of course there are other Christian in different areas, just saying where the majority are).

If the "rapture" occurs, those areas will be depopulated, then the remaining anti-christ leaders can use almost any reason for the disappearances; though "aliens" took the hateful beings away so "mother earth" types can live in harmony, seems like the easiest explanation with all the "proof" of aliens in the last 40-50 years.

There's still 5-6 billion people left to rule. I don't think the anti-christ leaders really want much of a depopulation (just state publicly to get rid of the resistors/Christians), they want to rule, and rule as many as possible. So there depopulation documents are just a tool to use that "they" are in command and depopulating,when it's really God-the-Father and God-the-Son, to bring wrath upon this world.

edited to add: Also, I hope it's before 2025 - I'm ready to lift off to Heaven today!

edited to add: What about you? What do you think of a/the depopulation?

edited to add again (sorry): I just thought about something else. What if the "depopulation" is actually the satanists explaining the opening of the 4th seal in Revelation, whereby the 4th rider of the pale horse, goes out, and has power over the fourth of the earth - Revelation 6:8 "And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth"

And this depopulation cover by the antichrist leaders could be explaining both the "rapture" and the opening of the 4th seal.

A guy who was a really good bible study teacher told me his thoughts about Kushner. He hasn't been back on here in awhile, but he was one of the best bible teachers I've met and I've been a Christian many years. I was hoping he would come back and do a bible study. As far as Kushner goes, he does seem like an introvert, but he also seems like he could be a chameleon, so it's hard to guess.

You sound like me - I'm ready. I think we develop PTSD after reading the news. I've often said I feel like Habakuk. As far as the depopulation, we know the opioid epidemic is killing off a lot of people from the drugs flooding in from Mexico. Yet our own government keeps the border wide open for them to flow in. It's sick when you think that legislators would do that, knowing of the suffering that is ahead for many people. Our area was hard hit and I've seen a lot of suffering. Many youth we knew from elementary school and little league died. So drugs is a huge depopulation that they've implemented. I read that it's supposed to get worse.

 

[Soverign Grace]

Kushner does seem to be unusual. I read that some people claim that Michele Obama is a man. In a speech Obomination referred to her as "Michael" - almost as if he was mocking America for all to see.

That's the first I've ever heard that verse in Daniel. I'm in a time of spiritual growth and trying to piece everything together that I'm learning.

You're right about most of the world being anti-Christ; it's growing more that way by the day. I've taken a number of hits from people for my beliefs. People think you don't have both oars in the water. I read that the depopulation is planned for 2025.

A guy who was a really good bible study teacher told me his thoughts about Kushner. He hasn't been back on here in awhile, but he was one of the best bible teachers I've met and I've been a Christian many years. I was hoping he would come back and do a bible study. As far as Kushner goes, he does seem like an introvert, but he also seems like he could be a chameleon, so it's hard to guess.

You sound like me - I'm ready. I think we develop PTSD after reading the news. I've often said I feel like Habakuk. As far as the depopulation, we know the opioid epidemic is killing off a lot of people from the drugs flooding in from Mexico. Yet our own government keeps the border wide open for them to flow in. It's sick when you think that legislators would do that, knowing of the suffering that is ahead for many people. Our area was hard hit and I've seen a lot of suffering. Many youth we knew from elementary school and little league died. So drugs is a huge depopulation that they've implemented. I read that it's supposed to get worse.

They're killing off others who commit suicide after being denied pain relief, by lying and saying the opioid epidemic is caused by doctors and patients. They're allowing drugs and devices on the market that is destroying lives that way. They're allowing drug-resistant strains of TB to come into the country unchecked, they're sending young people off to war and getting rid of more that way. I talked to two hospital administrators who told me that insurance companies are denying life-saving medical procedures for anyone over 55. One said: "I swear they want these old people to die." They've let foreign nationals into the country who they know are using fraudulent medical degrees - I read there are 10,000 in the U.S. but my estimate is much higher. Those who are left, I have a feeling it's going to be a nuclear attack. We have a nuclear facility not far from us, and every time we pass it I get an eerie feeling, I don't know why. I only had that happen one other time when my husband and I were on a camping trip years ago. We pulled off to the side of the road and were eating. There was nothing around but this open field of cows, and they were wearing cow bells, and we heard them ringing. Nothing happened, but simultaneously we both felt an eerie feeling, and one of us said: "Let's get out of here." We weren't Christians then, but God knew our names were in the Book of Life and He warned us both of something. I wish we had been warned of other things in life, but that was one other time that I had that eerie feeling.

They're leaving the border open, and they know there are a lot of people who hate America for plundering their country, and I think one or more are going to sneak across the border and gain access to a nuclear facility. That's just my guess, but I think that's what's going to happen. But that's a good scripture to ponder that you gave, since it's supposed to be by "sword, hunger, and death" - I'm going to look for some teaching on Revelations. I'm weak yet on it, which is why I'm trying to learn about it and how it fits with what we're seeing happening. I was never in a bible study where it was taught. Someone else just recommended one of Walter Veith's videos which I'm going to watch today. You may be interested in it: Total Onslaught

 

[Soverign Grace]

Do you realize the "body language experts" quoted by OP is "truth in satire" ? and it's linked to lefty sources that hate the President? The guys from medium.com are very powerful lefties from Twitter , that is itself notoriously bigoted leftist liberal social media platform that is joined with anyone bent on taking down President Trump.

Do you have proof that they're from "lefty" sites? And why are you trying to incite By Grace - why don't you address the OP directly?

I just did some deductive reasoning. All I saw Trump do was talk talk talk about border security, he never acted on it. He knows many are dying from the drug epidemic yet he does nothing about border security but TALK.

It's the Hegelian Dialectic - Obama/ Far Left Trump/ Far Right - only Trump isn't implementing Far Right policies - he's continuing to implement Agenda 21 right under our noses. Didn't you just read about his lie: He stood in front of the cameras and said he was going to support ICE and then he signed a bill keeping the border wide open and severely limiting ICE' ability to deport criminal aliens. I read it's going to be a pipeline for MS-13. In fact that may fit in with the 4th seal of "killing by the sword" since they have a penchant for killing with axes. Just how many times is he going to put the screws to Christians before they come out of denial and see he's all talk no action?

 

[Soverign Grace]

I have no idea at all... as I said...that is God's business and between him and God.
I personally think many christians will be in for a shock when they get to the kingdom and see who is and who isn't!!

As I say..I vote for what the runner stands for and will fight for...


( although to be honest I am beginning to believe that no matter who votes for what and whoever...the left in all our countries will make sure they get control ...George Sorus wont let it happen again. )

Case in point is Ocasio - the only reason she is where she is, is because of Soros. It's such a travesty to allow someone like her in a position of leadership. Years ago that never would have happened. It's like a joke being played on the American people. I read that people were calling her "Occasional Cortex." Unbelievable.

 

[Soverign Grace]

My questions were...

What is the iluminati?

Who are Trumps masters?

Where is the proof for your claims?

Agenda 21 is an agenda authored in 1992 by the UN
Never heard of Henry Makow, David Stewart, Walter Veith.

Could you put next to my questions the answers...? Then we can move on to your question.

Taken

I can't do your work for you - I gave you resources to start with, and gave you links. It will answer your questions.

 

[Helen]

Case in point is Ocasio - the only reason she is where she is, is because of Soros. It's such a travesty to allow someone like her in a position of leadership. Years ago that never would have happened. It's like a joke being played on the American people. I read that people were calling her "Occasional Cortex." Unbelievable.

What you seem to be missing, and the point that I keep on trying to get over is... How do YOU know that this is not "God's time"?
We have been told through scripture , that things WILL get dark, worse and evil... God will allow satan to have his time...and his cup to be full....before God says..."Time Up"...and show the world His glory.

He is ALWAYS in control, even when He is sitting back and doing nothing openly.

" Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are His: And He changeth the times and the seasons: He removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:"
Daniel 2:20-21, KJV

"I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, by My great power and by My outstretched arm, and have given it unto whom it seemed meet unto Me."
Jeremiah 27:5, KJV

Trust that God does know what He is doing...even when we can't 'see' Him "doing anything." He is working to HIS time table...and HIS Plan.

 

[Soverign Grace]

Sorry , but , I am not deceived but can see quite clearly the hand of God operating in these world events, which is why their has been so much opposition to Donald Trump as the President and why his win blind-sided all the mainstream media jackals.The POTUS is a Nationalist, not a globalist and he is pro-Christianity which illuminati are Not, they are the direct opposite. President Donald Trump was a business man, he is a dyed in the wool Patriot with only the interests are the USA first and foremost is his priority, he is not a globalist, neither is he an illuminati. He is more akin to the nationalist type ideals that were held by President Ronald Reagan to make America Great Again - i.e. a self-identified strong thriving nation & reclaim it's status & power world-wide which Obama and his minions tried to dissipate. By the Trump win as President, GOD put the brakes on the globalist socialist elites agenda, whose goal is to put the whole world under a One World Global Socialist Government control, which is not far off in the future btw. The Globalists are in control of the UN, this is where the Agenda 21 was hatched & will be imposed from, and they Hate this Nationalist President Trump & all leaders who are thwarting their globalist agenda, which should be obvious. The POTUS is in direct opposition to the UN not in cahoots with it.

I too thought that there was opposition against President Trump because he was a Nationalist, until I began noting the times he said one thing but did another. That was what made me question him. I was pro-Trump, voted for him, stood up for him, argued for him. Until I noticed that every time he talked a good game, got people psyched up at rallies shouting "Build the Wall! Build the Wall!" but he'd turn around and NOT fulfill his promise. It happened again and again. Then I started thinking that something didn't sit right, so I began researching him and it was all there - photos of Trump with Clintons, with the Pope, with some Bishop, and it made me doubt him.

Then I came across an article that said that a number of pastors were concerned with the demonic hand signs he throws. So I researched that and I saw Hollywood actors, musicians, Reagan, both Clintons, Obama, the Pope, Merkel, May, Prince Harry, and Trump all throwing the same demonic/ illuminati hand signs. I didn't go solely by that and continued researching and reserving judgment. Then Trump once again got people worked into a lather that he was going to build the wall and stop the caravans...then he let the caravans in. I want to pause here and share something. I underwent a major operation and the surgeon only gave me about 15 or less Norco which was gross negligence. I was left to suffer like a dog. That's because of the lie that was perpetrated by our government that doctors and patients are the cause of the opioid epidemic; they're not. One of my family members was a death scene investigator and told me the deaths are from illegal drugs flooding in from Mexico. I belong to a chronic pain group and hear all the news. They are constantly contacted by reporters looking for anyone who will say that they became hooked on drugs after a doctor prescribed them. All the while the border is kept wide open and drugs flood in, but they want to control the narrative to the masses that the epidemic is caused by overprescribing doctors and patients who sell their medication. There was some diversion; very little. The massive drugs flooding America are coming straight from the open border, and through the mail from China.

I was in a bad way so my husband rushed me to the ER. It was packed wall to wall with illegals getting free health care. In spite of being barely able to stand, not one of them got up and offered me a seat (so much for those great kids here through no fault of their own. If I had seen someone in that bad of condition I would have given them my seat.) In spite of repeated pleading by my husband and me, the hospital refused to take me in and told me I had to wait 5 hours until my turn, (after seeing all the illegals). My husband helped me out to the car and I rolled around in agony and he went back into the hospital to wait until they called my name. A guard came up to the window and rapped hard and demanded that I move the car. Zero compassion from the hospital or the guard. When my husband came out I told him to take me home. He took me back and then left for work. I was left to suffer in despair. It's a wonder no one called police with the way I was carrying on so loudly. I won't tell you the thoughts I had but it was bad. No one knows my story, but our own government legislators were the cause of my suffering. That would never have happened to any legislator because I have family that work in the medical field who told me legislators and their family members are bumped up ahead of everyone else. We're much more like India then people want to admit: We have a caste system. I'm an unknown person in an obscure town so no one cares. But just wait until your turn comes and you're left to wallow in extreme agony because of the choices of the past administrations, and now Trump. I don't think that you'll be so willing to overlook his decisions when you are in the throes of agony. And if that wasn't enough, that hospital would not leave me alone. They charged our insurance for a visit that was nonexistent, and sent me repeated bills demanding the co-pay.

 

[Soverign Grace]

I too thought that there was opposition against President Trump because he was a Nationalist, until I began noting the times he said one thing but did another. That was what made me question him. I was pro-Trump, voted for him, stood up for him, argued for him. Then every time he talked a good game, got people psyched up at rallies shouting "Build the Wall! Build the Wall!" Yet he'd turn around and NOT fulfill his promise. It happened again and again. Then I started thinking that something didn't sit right, so I began researching him and it was all there - photos of Trump with Clintons, with the Pope, with some Bishop, and it made me doubt him.

Then I came across an article that said that a number of pastors were concerned with the demonic hand signs he throws. So I researched that and I saw Hollywood actors, musicians, Reagan, both Clintons, Obama, the Pope, Merkel, May, Prince Harry, and Trump all throwing the same demonic/ illuminati hand signs. I didn't go solely by that and continued researching and reserving judgment. Then Trump once again got people worked into a lather that he was going to build the wall and stop the caravans...then he let the caravans in. I want to pause here and share something. I underwent a major operation and the surgeon only gave me about 15 or less Norco which was gross negligence. I was left to suffer like a dog. That's because of the lie that was perpetrated by our government that doctors and patients are the cause of the opioid epidemic; they're not. One of my family members was a death scene investigator and told me the deaths are from illegal drugs flooding in from Mexico. I belong to a chronic pain group and hear all the news. They are constantly contacted by reporters looking for anyone who will say that they became hooked on drugs after a doctor prescribed them. All the while the border is kept wide open and drugs flood in, but they want to control the narrative to the masses that the epidemic is caused by overprescribing doctors and patients who sell their medication. There was some diversion; very little. The massive drugs flooding America are coming straight from the open border, and through the mail from China.

I was in a bad way so my husband rushed me to the ER. It was packed wall to wall with illegals getting free health care. In spite of being barely able to stand, Not one of them got up and offered me a seat (so much for those great kids here through no fault of their own. If I had seen someone in that bad of condition I would have given them my seat.) In spite of repeated pleading by my husband and me, the hospital refused to take me in and told me I had to wait 5 hours until my turn, (after seeing all the illegals). My husband helped me out to the car and I rolled around in agony and he went back into the hospital to wait until they called my name. A guard came up to the window and rapped hard and demanded that I move the car. Zero compassion from the hospital or the guard. When my husband came out I told him to take me home. He took me back and then left for work. I was left to suffer in despair. It's a wonder no one called police with the way I was carrying on loudly. I won't tell you the thoughts I had but it was bad. I'm an obscure person and no one knows my story, but our own government legislators were the cause of that. Wait until your turn comes. That would never have happened to any legislator because I have family that work in the medical field who told me legislators and their family members are bumped up ahead of everyone else. We're much more like India then people want to admit: We have a caste system. I'm an unknown person in an obscure town so no one cares. Just wait until your turn comes and you're left to wallow in agony because of the choices of the past administrations, and now Trump. I don't think that you'll be so willing to overlook his decisions when you are in the throes of agony.

I put the cart before the horse. Prior to surgery, I was prepped but the hospital refused to proceed with the operation unless my husband paid a hefty co-pay. They had already received around $50k from our insurance policy, which we struggled to pay for at around $300 a week. My husband argued with the hospital but they refused to perform the (critical) surgery unless he paid. He had to scramble to come up with the co-pay. That same hospital is full of illegals in negative pressure rooms getting FREE medical care. Many are in the hospital for 3 months at a time, being treated for TB. They aren't refused a critical operation unless they can pay, they waltz into any hospital in America and get free medical care, and never have to worry about paying the bill. The hospital was going to let me die while simultaneously forking out millions per person for illegals to get free medical care. This is such raw and filthy discrimination against an American as I've ever seen. Many people don't know this unless it happens to them. I know because it happened to me. I needed additional care that I didn't get because they make me pay $$$. And Trump is fomenting the same open-door policies that Obama did, only Trump talks like he's a Nationalist, while fulfilling a Globalist agenda. Some Christians are coming out of denial, but I still hear far too many excuse him over and over and over, and they'll excuse him when they're the one rolling around in agony because they can't be seen in the ER. I'm not blaming the illegals - it's our own governments fault. They tampered with Central America to enrich themselves by buying land there and putting farmers out of work. Our legislators have raped those countries so now they're fleeing to America.

Another thing. I paid into SS then stopped to raise a family and then went back to work. I went out before I re-earned my quarters; even though I was paid up until I left to raise a family. But SS went by when I re-entered the work force. They denied me disability while simultaneously giving welfare, SS, and food stamps to immigrants. When I went to the SS office I was shocked; I was the only American in there! It was packed full of immigrants, mostly men, applying for welfare. So I was forced to work when I was really in bad shape. My husband had to work two jobs. He got up at 3:15 every morning, trudged off to work in the sweltering heat and frigid snow, came home and worked his 2nd job. I never saw anyone fall asleep that fast in my life: as soon as his head hit the pillow. He fell asleep at the wheel and hit someone. A family member was just struck by someone working a double-shift. Americans are being bled while immigrants come here and go on welfare. My husband said he heard a guy call into one of the Christian talk shows who said he was driving and offered a ride to two immigrants who had just entered the country. He spoke with them and they told him they had just got done visiting the government office to apply for welfare and food stamps. The discrimination against Americans is disgusting. I know two people who committed suicide because they couldn't afford their medication, and immigrants get everything paid for.

I had a middle-easterner approach me in a store and put his hands on me and say something filthy. I don't know if that's the norm in other countries or whether that creep thought that all American women are loose. I have a feeling it's a cultural thing; women are treated like chattel in some other countries. Just wait until that happens to your wife, sister, daughter or mother. While many migrants who have settled near us are nice, my daughter was cornered by a gang of them who refused to let her get in her car. She was smart and gave the leader her phone number and they let her go. Of course she didn't give him the right number. These incidents are going to get much much worse. And Americans are asleep, kept preoccupied with "bread and circus." I talked with a pastor who served on a jury for an MS-13 member and he told me it was horrible. MS-13 are widely known for brutal rapes and murders with axes. It's absolutely frightening that Trump just signed the bill making ICE unable to deport them. Do you realize just what this means??? Where in God's Name is the outrage?! Maybe people need a fire lit under their rears and won't take action until something like the above happens to them. When I try to bring it up to people, most stare off in a distance - it's mind-boggling that their brains are hijacked. But they'll know what color underwear Kim Kardashian wears, or what sports team won the Super Bowl. It's exactly what happened to Rome before it fell.

I'm 99% sure Trump is a hack for the illuminati. Maybe when you go into the ER and are prevented from being seen because your legislators all sold out the country, you'll look at Trump differently. And with the next three caravans already on their way here you're likely going to get your chance to experience what I did first hand. What about the perverts who Trump let in that Australia denied? We don't know what towns or cities they were resettled in, but it may be your town and the way you'll find out is when you're awoken in your sleep with one of them who thinks he has a right to your body. It's absolutely sickening that they were let loose in our country and we don't know where.

 

[Soverign Grace]

What you seem to be missing, and the point that I keep on trying to get over is... How do YOU know that this is not "God's time"?
We have been told through scripture , that things WILL get dark, worse and evil... God will allow satan to have his time...and his cup to be full....before God says..."Time Up"...and show the world His glory.

He is ALWAYS in control, even when He is sitting back and doing nothing openly.

" Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are His: And He changeth the times and the seasons: He removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:"
Daniel 2:20-21, KJV

"I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, by My great power and by My outstretched arm, and have given it unto whom it seemed meet unto Me."
Jeremiah 27:5, KJV

Trust that God does know what He is doing...even when we can't 'see' Him "doing anything." He is working to HIS time table...and HIS Plan.

I guess you can look at it that way, or you can look at it that Americans are too busy with "bread and circus" and they aren't paying attention to what is being done to their country. Christians hold varying views. I have a friend who won't lift a finger to take any action about the state of society. She doesn't contact legislators, doesn't voice an opinion to them, because she holds the view that "God is in control." But silence connotes assent; it's a well known fact in human nature.

What she - and you - aren't taking into consideration is that there are other Christians who are out being God's feet and hands in the world, and by the "God is in control" Christians sitting back and playing with their needlepoint or watching sports, they're forcing the proactive Christians to work harder to pull their weight.

I saw this concept on a road we lived on. Everybody sat back and just accepted that our road wasn't paved. When it rained we had to park a mile down the road and walk to our houses. One day I was trudging up the road in the rain and a neighbor's two dogs came after me. I was lucky I reached my car before they ripped me to shreds. I organized a meeting with the mayor and sent word to everyone one the street to be at the meeting. At the meeting I didn't have to say one word. Everyone who had been inconvenienced let loose on the mayor and the road was paved in short order. All it took was 1 person to initiate change. But what if I sat back and thought that "God is in control" and never took action?

Now imagine if most Christians were proactive - we know things are to get bad, but maybe they wouldn't be as bad if we all did our share. I do struggle with when we are to take action as opposed to doing nothing and letting God do it. It's been a running question of mine with God. He hasn't seen fit to answer me yet but I think at some point He will. I just don't always ascribe to your type of thinking that "God is going to do it all." I think He expects us to do a lot.

 

[Helen]

I think He expects us to do a lot.

He expects us to listen to Him, and only do what He has SPOKEN and told us to do. "Doing" just because "we" think that "we" can do some is just a load of hot air...UNLESS God Himself is directing it and anointing it. Many criticized Jesus because they expected Him to fight the Romans and " do" something,... 'to bring in the kingdom.'

But Jesus said- " I ONLY do what I see My Father do".

"Doing" because you think that you can change things... is just a lot of 'dead works'...But, if you are "doing" what God has actually told you to do....then it will be fruitful.

But, get on and do it...you can't expect other to also want to "do" things that God has not told them personally to do.
Just like salvation, we can get excited, but we can't make someone else get excited. We can have faith for something, but we can't impart that faith to someone else...both come from GOD.

 

[Soverign Grace]

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[Soverign Grace]

I put the cart before the horse. Prior to surgery, I was prepped but the hospital refused to proceed with the operation unless my husband paid a hefty co-pay. They had already received around $50k from our insurance policy, which we struggled to pay for at around $300 a week. My husband argued with the hospital but they refused to perform the (critical) surgery unless he paid. He had to scramble to come up with the co-pay. That same hospital is full of illegals in negative pressure rooms getting FREE medical care. Many are in the hospital for 3 months at a time, being treated for TB. They aren't refused a critical operation unless they can pay, they waltz into any hospital in America and get free medical care, and never have to worry about paying the bill. The hospital was going to let me die while simultaneously forking out millions per person for illegals to get free medical care. This is such raw and filthy discrimination against an American as I've ever seen. Many people don't know this unless it happens to them. I know because it happened to me. I needed additional care that I didn't get because they make me pay $$$. And Trump is fomenting the same open-door policies that Obama did, only Trump talks like he's a Nationalist, while fulfilling a Globalist agenda. Some Christians are coming out of denial, but I still hear far too many excuse him over and over and over, and they'll excuse him when they're the one rolling around in agony because they can't be seen in the ER. I'm not blaming the illegals - it's our own governments fault. They tampered with Central America to enrich themselves by buying land there and putting farmers out of work. Our legislators have raped those countries so now they're fleeing to America.

Another thing. I paid into SS then stopped to raise a family and then went back to work. I went out before I re-earned my quarters; even though I was paid up until I left to raise a family. But SS went by when I re-entered the work force. They denied me disability while simultaneously giving welfare, SS, and food stamps to immigrants. When I went to the SS office I was shocked; I was the only American in there! It was packed full of immigrants, mostly men, applying for welfare. So I was forced to work when I was really in bad shape. My husband had to work two jobs. He got up at 3:15 every morning, trudged off to work in the sweltering heat and frigid snow, came home and worked his 2nd job. I never saw anyone fall asleep that fast in my life: as soon as his head hit the pillow. He fell asleep at the wheel and hit someone. A family member was just struck by someone working a double-shift. Americans are being bled while immigrants come here and go on welfare. My husband said he heard a guy call into one of the Christian talk shows who said he was driving and offered a ride to two immigrants who had just entered the country. He spoke with them and they told him they had just got done visiting the government office to apply for welfare and food stamps. The discrimination against Americans is disgusting. I know two people who committed suicide because they couldn't afford their medication, and immigrants get everything paid for.

I had a middle-easterner approach me in a store and put his hands on me and say something filthy. I don't know if that's the norm in other countries or whether that creep thought that all American women are loose. I have a feeling it's a cultural thing; women are treated like chattel in some other countries. Just wait until that happens to your wife, sister, daughter or mother. While many migrants who have settled near us are nice, my daughter was cornered by a gang of them who refused to let her get in her car. She was smart and gave the leader her phone number and they let her go. Of course she didn't give him the right number. These incidents are going to get much much worse. And Americans are asleep, kept preoccupied with "bread and circus." I talked with a pastor who served on a jury for an MS-13 member and he told me it was horrible. MS-13 are widely known for brutal rapes and murders with axes. It's absolutely frightening that Trump just signed the bill making ICE unable to deport them. Do you realize just what this means??? Where in God's Name is the outrage?! Maybe people need a fire lit under their rears and won't take action until something like the above happens to them. When I try to bring it up to people, most stare off in a distance - it's mind-boggling that their brains are hijacked. But they'll know what color underwear Kim Kardashian wears, or what sports team won the Super Bowl. It's exactly what happened to Rome before it fell.

I'm 99% sure Trump is a hack for the illuminati. Maybe when you go into the ER and are prevented from being seen because your legislators all sold out the country, you'll look at Trump differently. And with the next three caravans already on their way here you're likely going to get your chance to experience what I did first hand. What about the perverts who Trump let in that Australia denied? We don't know what towns or cities they were resettled in, but it may be your town and the way you'll find out is when you're awoken in your sleep with one of them who thinks he has a right to your body. It's absolutely sickening that they were let loose in our country and we don't know where.

I was in my safe, orderly world and thought that things worked a certain way. But when you're at the end of yourself and your flesh was cut open with surgical knives, and your body is screaming out in pain, and you have some callous nurse tell you that you have to wait your turn, we'll see if you're so forgiving of Trump. I read that MADD has drastically reduced the drinking and driving in America, but Central Americans have no such laws, and I read that many of them still drink and drive. And that's what they're doing in America. I get updates from the Dustin Inman Society; he was an American killed by a drunk illegal. Just wait until some drunk illegal rams his old pickup into your car and your body is cut and sliced by hot metal and sharp glass. When every nerve in your body is screaming in pain and there is no relief: lets see how much leeway you'll give Mr. Trump then.

 

[Soverign Grace]

He expects us to listen to Him, and only do what He has SPOKEN and told us to do. "Doing" just because "we" think that "we" can do some is just a load of hot air...UNLESS God Himself is directing it and anointing it. Many criticized Jesus because they expected Him to fight the Romans and " do" something,... 'to bring in the kingdom.'

But Jesus said- " I ONLY do what I see My Father do".

"Doing" because you think that you can change things... is just a lot of 'dead works'...But, if you are "doing" what God has actually told you to do....then it will be fruitful.

But, get on and do it...you can't expect other to also want to "do" things that God has not told them personally to do.
Just like salvation, we can get excited, but we can't make someone else get excited. We can have faith for something, but we can't impart that faith to someone else...both come from GOD.

Why thank you for interpreting what God expects of us

BG, everyone interprets the bible for themselves and tries to do what they think God is showing them. No one can claim to be God's spokesperson. I'm not asking anyone to interpret Scripture for me - I only said that God hasn't revealed this to me yet. I spoke with a group of Christians at a bible study one time and was shocked at how much flesh they expressed and claimed it was from God. I saw so clearly how Christians pulled answers out of their hats and tried to claim it was from God.

I appreciate you trying to help however. It's something that I'm waiting for God to speak to me about. But I do think that all Christians should take some actions instead of passively sitting by and saying not a word when some evil is being enacted. I recall watching a show one time about a Christian sect who followed the letter of the law and refused to lift a hand when their women were abused by other men. That's taking it to the extreme, but there are many other times when Christians could at least make a phone call to their legislators office or to the local school when something anti-Christian is being implemented.

I just don't think that God thinks that we should just sit back and wait for Him to do everything. How many Christians called their legislators office when the big gang of perverts that Australia declined to let into their country, who then Trump accepted? If enough raised a loud enough, unified voice, those men would never have been allowed into the country. Now they're resettled in unknown cities around America, and I expect the next time we'll hear of them is when they rape some poor unfortunate victim. Do you really believe that God wants people to sit back and wait for Him to stop them from being settled here? I don't. I think God expects us to take sensible action.

 

[Helen]

Why thank you for interpreting what God expects of us

BG, everyone interprets the bible for themselves and tries to do what they think God is showing them. No one can claim to be God's spokesperson. I'm not asking anyone to interpret Scripture for me - I only said that God hasn't revealed this to me yet. I spoke with a group of Christians at a bible study one time and was shocked at how much flesh they expressed and claimed it was from God. I saw so clearly how Christians pulled answers out of their hats and tried to claim it was from God.

I appreciate you trying to help however. It's something that I'm waiting for God to speak to me about. But I do think that all Christians should take some actions instead of passively sitting by and saying not a word when some evil is being enacted. I recall watching a show one time about a Christian sect who followed the letter of the law and refused to lift a hand when their women were abused by other men. That's taking it to the extreme, but there are many other times when Christians could at least make a phone call to their legislators office or to the local school when something anti-Christian is being implemented.

I just don't think that God thinks that we should just sit back and wait for Him to do everything. How many Christians called their legislators office when the big gang of perverts that Australia declined to let into their country, who then Trump accepted? If enough raised a loud enough, unified voice, those men would never have been allowed into the country. Now they're resettled in unknown cities around America, and I expect the next time we'll hear of them is when they rape some poor unfortunate victim. Do you really believe that God wants people to sit back and wait for Him to stop them from being settled here? I don't. I think God expects us to take sensible action.

Okay then.
I just hope you don't drive yourself and everyone around you totally nuts with your obsession.

God bless you....Take care....H

 

[amadeus]

What you seem to be missing, and the point that I keep on trying to get over is... How do YOU know that this is not "God's time"?
We have been told through scripture , that things WILL get dark, worse and evil... God will allow satan to have his time...and his cup to be full....before God says..."Time Up"...and show the world His glory.

He is ALWAYS in control, even when He is sitting back and doing nothing openly.

" Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are His: And He changeth the times and the seasons: He removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:"
Daniel 2:20-21, KJV

"I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, by My great power and by My outstretched arm, and have given it unto whom it seemed meet unto Me."
Jeremiah 27:5, KJV

Trust that God does know what He is doing...even when we can't 'see' Him "doing anything." He is working to HIS time table...and HIS Plan.

Yes, we need only concern ourselves with seeking Him and His kingdom first so as to always remain on His side!

 

[tzcho2]

I too thought that there was opposition against President Trump because he was a Nationalist, until I began noting the times he said one thing but did another. That was what made me question him. I was pro-Trump, voted for him, stood up for him, argued for him. Until I noticed that every time he talked a good game, got people psyched up at rallies shouting "Build the Wall! Build the Wall!" but he'd turn around and NOT fulfill his promise. It happened again and again. Then I started thinking that something didn't sit right, so I began researching him and it was all there - photos of Trump with Clintons, with the Pope, with some Bishop, and it made me doubt him.

Then I came across an article that said that a number of pastors were concerned with the demonic hand signs he throws. So I researched that and I saw Hollywood actors, musicians, Reagan, both Clintons, Obama, the Pope, Merkel, May, Prince Harry, and Trump all throwing the same demonic/ illuminati hand signs. I didn't go solely by that and continued researching and reserving judgment. Then Trump once again got people worked into a lather that he was going to build the wall and stop the caravans...then he let the caravans in. I want to pause here and share something. I underwent a major operation and the surgeon only gave me about 15 or less Norco which was gross negligence. I was left to suffer like a dog. That's because of the lie that was perpetrated by our government that doctors and patients are the cause of the opioid epidemic; they're not. One of my family members was a death scene investigator and told me the deaths are from illegal drugs flooding in from Mexico. I belong to a chronic pain group and hear all the news. They are constantly contacted by reporters looking for anyone who will say that they became hooked on drugs after a doctor prescribed them. All the while the border is kept wide open and drugs flood in, but they want to control the narrative to the masses that the epidemic is caused by overprescribing doctors and patients who sell their medication. There was some diversion; very little. The massive drugs flooding America are coming straight from the open border, and through the mail from China.

I was in a bad way so my husband rushed me to the ER. It was packed wall to wall with illegals getting free health care. In spite of being barely able to stand, not one of them got up and offered me a seat (so much for those great kids here through no fault of their own. If I had seen someone in that bad of condition I would have given them my seat.) In spite of repeated pleading by my husband and me, the hospital refused to take me in and told me I had to wait 5 hours until my turn, (after seeing all the illegals). My husband helped me out to the car and I rolled around in agony and he went back into the hospital to wait until they called my name. A guard came up to the window and rapped hard and demanded that I move the car. Zero compassion from the hospital or the guard. When my husband came out I told him to take me home. He took me back and then left for work. I was left to suffer in despair. It's a wonder no one called police with the way I was carrying on so loudly. I won't tell you the thoughts I had but it was bad. No one knows my story, but our own government legislators were the cause of my suffering. That would never have happened to any legislator because I have family that work in the medical field who told me legislators and their family members are bumped up ahead of everyone else. We're much more like India then people want to admit: We have a caste system. I'm an unknown person in an obscure town so no one cares. But just wait until your turn comes and you're left to wallow in extreme agony because of the choices of the past administrations, and now Trump. I don't think that you'll be so willing to overlook his decisions when you are in the throes of agony. And if that wasn't enough, that hospital would not leave me alone. They charged our insurance for a visit that was nonexistent, and sent me repeated bills demanding the co-pay.

Sorry, but I don't pay any heed to those types of Conspiracy theory type sites or those types of pastors. I completely disagree with your opinions on President Donald Trump. I find he has been Very consistent & accomplished a lot though he has faced the greatest opposition in the history of the presidency and with a mainstream media that has been weaponized against him. He is going to build the wall.