I'm concerned that Trump is illuminati

[Nancy]

This post IMHO is an offense to God and to the Christian Spirituality Forum. In fact I don't even know why this thread is in this subcategory of the forums because it does not represent Christian Spirituality. SMH

Agreed.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

This is a good example of misapplying Scripture. I don't teach error and you know it.

This post is for Enoch! (I didn't want y'all to think it's about the attachment.)

Oh, lighten up, Enoch. You don't want to have a heart attack before you turn twenty!

 

[Prayer Warrior]

The fact that Trump has been so outspokenly opposed to the globalist agenda (his recent speech before the UN a case in point) does not necessarily mean he is against some form of internationally agreed uniformity of Law and order, which could very well come under the auspices of a duly elected power/individual who shall despotically rule over the consciences of men.
One must also take into account the Hegelian dialectic which philosophy is the rule of thumb for the elitist powers vying for globalist rule. Thesis versus antithesis. Conservative against liberalism. Democrat versus Republican. Right versus left. And when everyone is sick and tired of the conflict and war and unsociable issues arising from the constant debates and arguments, along comes the one with the only solution. The synthesis... Which solution the powers that be wanted from the beginning, but without the conflicts none would have been willing to tolerate. But in the end, the world will welcome, even demand it, and wonder after the beast. Obama... Thesis. Trump... Antithesis. Antichrist... Synthesis. Is Trump a willing accomplice, or is he just a stooge unaware of the issues. Personally, I think he is well aware. Who in his position of power and business could not be aware of the plans and conspiracies brought about throughout the last 400 years by the Illuminati, and the influence of such Pro globalist organisations such as Freemasonry and the Jesuits? If he is aware, and opposed, he is playing a very dangerous game. Maybe even simply allowed to take his position because it suits the elites to have him there. Either way, let us take advantage of the freedom we have for the time present to preach the gospel and exhort one another to holiness and consecration.

Ah, I see you understand the Hegelian Dialectic. Yes, this is what the "powers that be" are doing--going back and forth between liberal and conservative..... The problem is most conservatives are globalists.

 

[brakelite]

Ah, I see you understand the Hegelian Dialectic. Yes, this is what the "powers that be" are doing--going back and forth between liberal and conservative..... The problem is most conservatives are globalists.

Yes. Which is the dilemma with Trump. An anti globalist conservative. Babylon the great sure is confusion.

 

[Soverign Grace]

Ah, I see you understand the Hegelian Dialectic. Yes, this is what the "powers that be" are doing--going back and forth between liberal and conservative..... The problem is most conservatives are globalists.

You read about the Hegelian Dialectic too. It's what I keep reading about. Why do you say most conservatives are globalists?

 

[Soverign Grace]

Agreed.

It all ties in with the end times. The NWO is the fulfilling of Revelations. I'm shocked that some pastors aren't even aware of it.

 

[Soverign Grace]

Yes. Which is the dilemma with Trump. An anti globalist conservative. Babylon the great sure is confusion.

Did you ever see this Brakelite: Donald Trump | Illuminati Symbols

I'm trying to make sense of what I'm seeing and how it ties in with Revelations. I have some insight but I'm still grappling with it.

 

[Soverign Grace]

This post IMHO is an offense to God and to the Christian Spirituality Forum. In fact I don't even know why this thread is in this subcategory of the forums because it does not represent Christian Spirituality. SMH

Why are you concerning yourself with where the post is? There are many many things offensive to God in this world to worry about other than someone putting a post in a wrong forum. "You blind guides, who strain out a gnat, and swallow a camel."

Lets try to keep peace.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

You read about the Hegelian Dialectic too. It's what I keep reading about. Why do you say most conservatives are globalists?

Hi, Soverign Grace! As you know, I spent several years researching and writing about education reform. One of the things I found was that "change agents" trained to implement radical reforms in the schools have used the Hegelian Dialectic to bring school districts to consensus--thesis, antithesis, synthesis.... I saw this method effectively used in my local school system, which was singled out as the flagship system for my state in the early 90s to bring in Outcome-Based Education. At that time, OBE was being implemented across the country. Now, Common Core has taken its place on the national level.

About most conservatives being globalists, I guess this is speculation more than anything. I know that at least some prominent Republicans have been, including some presidents, like Bush I and II. I've often heard that Newt Gingrich was or is, and there are others. It seems that some "conservatives" have done as much to take the world closer to a one-world government as liberals. Unfortunately, when conservatives are in power, I think that a lot of Christians tend to relax and not pay attention to what politicians are doing. I've learned that you can't go by what politicians say; you have to look at what policies they support. One bright spot has been the TEA Party movement. I don't think the globalists expected this, and a wrench was thrown into their globalist agenda to an extent.

This is all about God's timing. It hasn't been God's time for the anti-Christ to take power. Just as they couldn't kill Jesus until the right time, a global dictator won't take power until the right time.

 

[Frank Lee]

Re OP. ..

If the most common hand signal on earth is illuminati then we're in a heap a trouble! I've got plenty of real problems so wondering about Trump's hand signals is to much for me. He's doing far better that the previous office holder IMHO who gave us all that well known hand signal.

 

[Nancy]

It all ties in with the end times. The NWO is the fulfilling of Revelations. I'm shocked that some pastors aren't even aware of it.

Not nearly enough pastors even teach on anything end time, although we did have an 11 week Sunday School on eschatology at my church once. How do they think their congregants will be prepared as the bible tells us to be if indeed, the rapture does not happen?
Satan is working overtime and getting better and better at confusing weaker Christians that do not have discernment. I think way too many Christians, including myself at times, forget how powerful prayer really is. And, we all know there is NEVER a shortage of the need for prayer...now more than ever I think. Prayer for protection for the young or confused in Christ. And direction from The Holy Spirit. Too many doctrines-one of Satan's best tools

 

[Heart2Soul]

Why are you concerning yourself with where the post is? There are many many things offensive to God in this world to worry about other than someone putting a post in a wrong forum. "You blind guides, who strain out a gnat, and swallow a camel."

Lets try to keep peace.

It was the picture I referred to and I quoted that picture. If you are ok with it then fine, I have as much right to share how I feel about it as you do. You violate your own statement about keeping the peace with this reply because it is goading. Where is the line drawn?

 

[Hidden In Him]

Re OP. ..

If the most common hand signal on earth is illuminati then we're in a heap a trouble! I've got plenty of real problems so wondering about Trump's hand signals is to much for me. He's doing far better that the previous office holder IMHO who gave us all that well known hand signal.

Yep. We sure got "the signal" during that eight years, didn't we. I know I did.

 

[Soverign Grace]

Hi, Soverign Grace! As you know, I spent several years researching and writing about education reform. One of the things I found was that "change agents" trained to implement radical reforms in the schools have used the Hegelian Dialectic to bring school districts to consensus--thesis, antithesis, synthesis.... I saw this method effectively used in my local school system, which was singled out as the flagship system for my state in the early 90s to bring in Outcome-Based Education. At that time, OBE was being implemented across the country. Now, Common Core has taken its place on the national level.

Yes - I'm thankful for you sharing your knowledge. Can you give an example of a "Change Agent"?

About most conservatives being globalists, I guess this is speculation more than anything. I know that at least some prominent Republicans have been, including some presidents, like Bush I and II. I've often heard that Newt Gingrich was or is, and there are others. It seems that some "conservatives" have done as much to take the world closer to a one-world government as liberals. Unfortunately, when conservatives are in power, I think that a lot of Christians tend to relax and not pay attention to what politicians are doing. I've learned that you can't go by what politicians say; you have to look at what policies they support. One bright spot has been the TEA Party movement. I don't think the globalists expected this, and a wrench was thrown into their globalist agenda to an extent.

I get it - Bushes were supposed to be conservatives but implemented globalism. I was completely taken in by Bushes until I began to research Agenda 21 and learned that they're Luciferians. It's pretty powerful when you listen to former President John Kennedy warn about the secret society trying to infiltrate America. If no one has listened to this, I urge you to.

I agree with what you're saying. I'm watching more of what President Trump does now, more than what he says. I couldn't grasp much about the NAFTA deal but from what I understand there isn't that much of a change, and we all know how disastrous NAFTA was for America.

This is all about God's timing. It hasn't been God's time for the anti-Christ to take power. Just as they couldn't kill Jesus until the right time, a global dictator won't take power until the right time.

It's good to keep that in mind - that ultimately God is in control. It's hard when you look around and see so much wrong, and wonder how much worse it's going to get. I just read that the number of homeless has increased and that the unemployment numbers are actually much higher than are reported. I see the younger generation struggling. I was talking with a friend of one of my children who told me he works so hard and doesn't get anywhere, and he's discouraged. It's definitely a different world now. I hope that God sees fit to end things soon.

 

[Soverign Grace]

Re OP. ..

If the most common hand signal on earth is illuminati then we're in a heap a trouble! I've got plenty of real problems so wondering about Trump's hand signals is to much for me. He's doing far better that the previous office holder IMHO who gave us all that well known hand signal.

Yes Obama was terrible, and Trump seems to be doing positive things but from what I've read, they may have put Trump in to pacify Christians to act like he's doing the right things, when he's really just continuing Agenda 21. Of course I would vote for him over Hillary but I wonder if our votes even matter now. Of course I still vote but I'm seeing things so differently than how I once looked at them. Remember, we're warned that if possible even the elect will be deceived. We were given that warning for a reason. We're warned that we're sent out as sheep among wolves. Christ said "by their fruit ye shall know them" not "by their talk ye shall know them." I'm paying more attention to what legislators do, not what they say. The problem would be if Trump is deceiving us while still implementing Agenda 21.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Hi, Soverign Grace! As you know, I spent several years researching and writing about education reform. One of the things I found was that "change agents" trained to implement radical reforms in the schools have used the Hegelian Dialectic to bring school districts to consensus--thesis, antithesis, synthesis.... I saw this method effectively used in my local school system, which was singled out as the flagship system for my state in the early 90s to bring in Outcome-Based Education. At that time, OBE was being implemented across the country. Now, Common Core has taken its place on the national level.

About most conservatives being globalists, I guess this is speculation more than anything. I know that at least some prominent Republicans have been, including some presidents, like Bush I and II. I've often heard that Newt Gingrich was or is, and there are others. It seems that some "conservatives" have done as much to take the world closer to a one-world government as liberals. Unfortunately, when conservatives are in power, I think that a lot of Christians tend to relax and not pay attention to what politicians are doing. I've learned that you can't go by what politicians say; you have to look at what policies they support. One bright spot has been the TEA Party movement. I don't think the globalists expected this, and a wrench was thrown into their globalist agenda to an extent.

This is all about God's timing. It hasn't been God's time for the anti-Christ to take power. Just as they couldn't kill Jesus until the right time, a global dictator won't take power until the right time.

A true conservative will never be a globalist at all.

The Globalist are Liberal minded Far right wing opportunist types that are in bed with Socialist, the thing is that the far right and far left are united on this goal nowadays, Socialist, communist and ultra capitalist all have wanted desperately to rule the world and they love to dominate over others, they are power mad bunch of twats, just like all of the mad men in history Hitler Stalin etc.

In Australia we have a major right wing party and half of them are just greed driven wealthy slobs who are all about themselves mainly and the other half of that party are ok people, now I was a National Party person and the major reason why we had our own Party, is that we did not get on with the other half of the major Party that were extreme right wing stuck up toffs but we can get on with the other half of that Party and the reason why we do not get on with the major left wing Party was that they are controlled by Socialist and Communist rat bags, now at one time that left Party was a conservative left Party but that changed when the Party became taken over by the Socialist back in the 1970's and it has became more Socialist driven ever since.
But now in the last so many years the far right wing Party has become a Socialist Party and they have been ruthless in kicking out Conservatives, but now the major culprit the PM Mal Turnbull just got kicked out as the leader, because he was splitting the Party apart and members were leaving in droves, because the party they once loved had changed that much, that they had to jump ship, but the real stuck up wealthy ones could not be bothered because they are narrow minded degenerates who only look out for themselves, as that's all that they ever have did.
Now the PM Mal Turnbull when you look into his history, you will find where he got his money from ripping off people, he was one of the team in with the worst of the Banks that full on shafted people before he became PM and he is a Socialist and a NWO man, his loyalty is to the Talmud Jesuit NWO and Zionist Nazis with there PC Marxist agendas.
The media are running about asking questions as to why the Traitor got kicked out of office, they claim that they do not know why ha ha ! what a joke it sticks out like dogs balls, he tried to change the Party and keep the name and thought that the majority would not notice the underhanded trick.
Sure our new MP is a NWO Man as well but he has to try keep the party together, because if the Party does not win the next election, then the biggest creep show of a full on lying leader Bill Shorten of the Socialist left wing Labour Party will sell our Nation out down the drain not to mention that all our values will be gone, Australia will not be Australia anymore it will become a garbage dump controlled by Political Correctness and freedom of Speech undermined and Christianity totally Undermined and become part of Chinas Communist rule.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

It's good to keep that in mind - that ultimately God is in control. It's hard when you look around and see so much wrong, and wonder how much worse it's going to get. I just read that the number of homeless has increased and that the unemployment numbers are actually much higher than are reported. I see the younger generation struggling. I was talking with a friend of one of my children who told me he works so hard and doesn't get anywhere, and he's discouraged. It's definitely a different world now. I hope that God sees fit to end things soon.

Now God is not in control because the people have turned their backs on him.

 

[Soverign Grace]

Not nearly enough pastors even teach on anything end time, although we did have an 11 week Sunday School on eschatology at my church once. How do they think their congregants will be prepared as the bible tells us to be if indeed, the rapture does not happen?
Satan is working overtime and getting better and better at confusing weaker Christians that do not have discernment. I think way too many Christians, including myself at times, forget how powerful prayer really is. And, we all know there is NEVER a shortage of the need for prayer...now more than ever I think. Prayer for protection for the young or confused in Christ. And direction from The Holy Spirit. Too many doctrines-one of Satan's best tools

I know - I feel like I've been a Christian a long time and was never introduced to teaching of Revelations. It's important due to what we're seeing - prophecy being fulfilled before our eyes if we have eyes to see. I'm seeing these things and feel eager to talk about it but when I discussed it with a pastor at our bible study he told me I'd better be careful about what I read online. I understand his view that we have to be careful because there are seducing spirits and a warning is always in order, but I came to the realization that just because someone has attended seminary doesn't mean they know more than an average person who studies their bible diligently. I don't think God checks someones title or the letters after their names before He gives spiritual eyes to see truth. We attended a bad church one time like that - the pastors said that God put them in their positions and their word was to be obeyed. It was an unhealthy church. I think Satan works in people like that.

Satan seems to have increased his activities - I worry about the Catholics who are being deluded by the Pope. He acts like a kindly old man when really he's implementing the evil one world government/ one world religion. He's completely ignored the pedophelia problem in the Catholic church - it all came clear when I read that he's illuminati. There is a picture online of the Pope prior to him - he's shown throwing the satanic hand signs and the evil in his eyes was palpable. I had to turn away from the photo - the evil was so strong emanating from his soul. Prayer is a weapon that we have. I've fasted on and off during times of great need but when you read Esther, it was apparently an established practice then. You rarely hear it taught today - at least I haven't.

What do you mean too many doctrines? Do you mean to confuse people? I was very confused when I became a new believer. There isn't enough done to help guide the paths. I was "tossed to and fro." I would never want to go through that again. It was a difficult time.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Yes Obama was terrible, and Trump seems to be doing positive things but from what I've read, they may have put Trump in to pacify Christians to act like he's doing the right things, when he's really just continuing Agenda 21. Of course I would vote for him over Hillary but I wonder if our votes even matter now. Of course I still vote but I'm seeing things so differently than how I once looked at them. Remember, we're warned that if possible even the elect will be deceived. We were given that warning for a reason. We're warned that we're sent out as sheep among wolves. Christ said "by their fruit ye shall know them" not "by their talk ye shall know them." I'm paying more attention to what legislators do, not what they say. The problem would be if Trump is deceiving us while still implementing Agenda 21.

Well I don't think that Trump has the power as President to take on the powers that be.

I believe that Hitler was a tool in the workings of the big picture, it was just a game played out, my grandad said that the whole world is run by a hand full of men who control the governments.
So Agenda 21 and 22 and so on are on the cards, just look how the Communist killing their people and do the majority take head of such or even know just how evil such Anti-Christ truly are. look at just how brainwashed the people are nowadays, happy to be in a power to abort Baby's at a whim now, I am just so shocked to see the hide of such peoples disregard, I think what's next in horror, if they can do that, nothing is beyond them. it really gets on my goat that anyone let alone Christians can let such just slide.

 

[Soverign Grace]

It was the picture I referred to and I quoted that picture. If you are ok with it then fine, I have as much right to share how I feel about it as you do. You violate your own statement about keeping the peace with this reply because it is goading. Where is the line drawn?

This is what you said: This post IMHO is an offense to God and to the Christian Spirituality Forum. In fact I don't even know why this thread is in this subcategory of the forums because it does not represent Christian Spirituality. SMH

I don't understand what post you thought was an offense to God - was it the thread itself? I responded that I didn't know why it mattered where on the forum it was placed. There are serious problems in the world and Christendom and I thought it was inconsequential. I've lived through severe trials and was hospitalized for days with an infection that almost killed me. The little things don't matter to me anymore. I know we're all in different places. I think a lot differently now than I did 10 years ago - and even 5 years ago. We're bound to look at things differently. Maybe I misunderstood what you said. It doesn't matter. I really just want to get along and we can if we try. Maybe Christ's admonishment to Mary and Martha can guide us over what's important and what isn't.