Image Of The Beast

[Ronald Nolette]

Not quite, it symbolizes the Governments in one concentrated section of the Mediterranean Sea Region, thus the 7 heads represent the 7 powers that ruled over Israel whilst she was a nation in the land or becoming a nation who was promised the land. Namely Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome.......AND the coming Anti-Christ who never passes his kingdom on so the Beast in Dan. 7 who all arose as kings and later became Gov. Beast are different in that this last Beast is the ONLY Beast himself. So, the 7 Heads = those 7 entities

The identity of the seven in Revelation (seven mountains, seven kings, five are fallen, one is and one is to come) is shrouded in mystery and controversy. Yours requires adding conditions that Scripture never called for. Namely Israel becoming a nation or a nation in the land!

Even the one I am most comfortable with (and I am not all that comfortable with it) requires suppositions that, like yours cannot be proven biblically.

Revelation 17:9-14
King James Version

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.


Problem with yours and so many other attempts at explaining are these:

1. the antichrist is the eighth who is of the seven. If the beast is a person, the seven also must be people and not kingdoms. The mountains are kingdoms and those kingdoms had seven rulers who are of the spirit of antichrist.

2. The ten horns are kings and not the European union Remember this from Daniel 7

Daniel 7:23-24
King James Version

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.


The fourth kingdom rules the whole world! So the fourth kingdom has to be a one world govt. and from that iteration of the fourth beast comes ten kings after the beast devours the whole earth. and when these ten kings rule- the eleventh shall rise (who is also the eighth who is of the seven). So it is not the European Union , but the whole world, for we know the antichrist rules the whole world!

AND the 10 horns represent all (10 = Completion) Europe as we see it now, about 25-30 nations give or take. Its not the whole world, this is why the prophecy stated that Nebuchadnezzar ruled over all men in the land and why it stated that Alexander the Great ruled the whole earth (earth meaning LAND being spoken of as in the Mediterranean Sea Region).

. Its not the whole world, this is why the prophecy stated that Nebuchadnezzar ruled over all men in the land and why it stated that Alexander the Great ruled the whole earth (earth meaning LAND being spoken of as in the Mediterranean Sea Region).[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately your understanding of what King Nebuchadnezzar ruled is in error.

Daniel 2:37-39
King James Version

37 Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.

38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.

39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

Nebuchadnezzar was given authority over ALL lands where men dwelt, not just land but wherever men dwelt! It doesn't say He exercised th efull extent of his authority, just he had it. Teh nuance is made much clearer in the Hebrew.

Greece however did rule over all the land and the land here refers to Israel!


Teh vison of the statue, the four beasts, and Revelation must be combined for they are all interrelated. These are also what Jesus said that Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled!

The beasts like the statue represent a continual trodding down of Jerusalem until Jesus returns as prophesied in Dan. 7!

To summarize, the four beasts are:

Babylon (gold, lion)
Medeo-Persia (silver bear lifted on one side)
Greece (leopard with four wings, brass)
Fourth beast ( unknown animal, iron, iron/clay)

The fourth beast started with Rome and is still in effect today!
Rome had two legs in the statue and that came to pass when rome split into two empires! Those two empires never ended but changed locations

West--- Rome, France, Germany , Spain, Western Democracies
East- Constaninople, Russia!( For when the Ottoman Empire fell, the leaders moved north to Russia)

What makes these tied to gether is that they all are imperialistic in their government. This is the fourth beast which is diverse. Rome introduced an entire new form of governing conquered lands- Imperialism which has survived as shown and even spread. The European Union will be one of the ten zones ruled by one of the ten, but thaqt is all.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You are erroneously extrapolating this to the whole globe, 1/3 of the world will at this time be on fire, so its just about the Mediterranean Sea Region as per this last Beast. We were taught all of this stuff in error, men projecting their understandings onto us. The Image is not of a 7 Headed Beast (that is God speak for a 3000 year metaphor that never truly existed at one time, its a bunch of nations as God sees them) The IMAGE will be of a man (E.U. President/King/Leaders).

Like Barney, you have to allegorize the Scriptures to arrive at this conclusion. YOu have to make conclusions that cannot be proven biblically. It is best to take these symbols as literal. After all the bible defines the symbol of the ten horns as ten kings! Why should we symbolize what the bible defines them as to redefine them again.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Daniel saw a lion. The symbol of Great Britain. The lion had eagle’s wings which were plucked.

The lion represented Babylon which also is the head of gold.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

He is simply an evil Jewish High Priest that throws in with the Anti-Christ just like Jason (real name Yeshua) threw in with Antiochus 2200 years or so ago. Thus Satan gives him broed wicked powers.

That is a guess on your part!

Revelation 13:11-18
King James Version

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.


You really think that a Jewish priest is going to convince the world to worship the beast? Especially when after teh antichrist rises from its deadly wound he goes on a global genocide against jews and Christians?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You are erroneously extrapolating this to the whole globe, 1/3 of the world will at this time be on fire, so its just about the Mediterranean Sea Region as per this last Beast. We were taught all of this stuff in error, men projecting their understandings onto us. The Image is not of a 7 Headed Beast (that is God speak for a 3000 year metaphor that never truly existed at one time, its a bunch of nations as God sees them) The IMAGE will be of a man (E.U. President/King/Leaders).

Even this is erroneous. Just look at a map of the EU. It is not contained to just the Mediterranean Sea Region! Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Great Britain?

 

[Ronald D Milam]

The identity of the seven in Revelation (seven mountains, seven kings, five are fallen, one is and one is to come) is shrouded in mystery and controversy. Yours requires adding conditions that Scripture never called for. Namely Israel becoming a nation or a nation in the land!

Who is the Bible about? Especially the Old Testament? Israel of course. So who is being DOMINATED by these Beasts/Animals as named? Israel. Why is God allowing this? To bring Israel unto submission for their wayward ways, or in Egypt's case to bring Israel into a collective nationhood, but under Egypt they were indeed enslaved and domineered.

Of course these Beasts are all going to arise from the great sea (Mediterranean Sea) because Israel is on that particular sea. The fact that it is Seven Mountains simply means 7 powers who arise, 5 kings are fallen is easy to interpret, Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia and Greece were FALLEN POWERS and each power had one king at the helm (of course) when they finally fell. Then in 90ish AD, Rome was still a power and were thus the ONE IS......and the one that is YET TO COME refers to the Anti-Christ, the only reason they are all all placed in the lowest common denominator is God wants us to know the Last King who FALLS will do something none of the other kings/Beasts did, he will both ARISE & FALL as the only Beast in his kingdom, all of the other Beasts had multiple kings from Nebuchadnezzar to Rome, but not the last Beast, he will Arise as the Beast and be cast in Hell by Jess as the Beast (Rev. 19:20).

Even the one I am most comfortable with (and I am not all that comfortable with it) requires suppositions that, like yours cannot be proven biblically.

Basically I answered this above so I shall not repeat this for both our sakes. However, I am advanced on all these things in my understanding because I simply asked God and refused to leave off until I got answers.

Problem with yours and so many other attempts at explaining are these:

1. the antichrist is the eighth who is of the seven. If the beast is a person, the seven also must be people and not kingdoms. The mountains are kingdoms and those kingdoms had seven rulers who are of the spirit of antichrist.

The Anti-Christ is not the the 8th, he is also not the Scarlet colored Beast of Rev. 17. The Holy Spirit revealed this to me 5 or so years ago via much studies. The CROWNS in each case designates who the Beast is in each chapter, see below:

1.) The Revelation 12 Beast is Satan the Red Dragon, he indeed Beasts over the entire world, but the 7 CROWNS on the 7 heads shows this particular emphasis is on the Mediterranean Sea Region AND that he is over the last Beast the Anti-Christ in the end times.

2.) The Rev. 13 Beast is a MAN, the Anti-Christ, thus his CROWNS are on the 10 Horns, which is ALL Europe (10 = Completion) so he is over Europe, then he conquers the Mediterranean Sea Region and thus Beasts over that whole area being spoken of, just like Alexander the Great.

3.) The Rev. 17 Beast is Scarlet in color, not Red like the Dragon, he is an underling of Satan, whom Satan placed over the Mediterranean Sea Region long, long ago, only Demons have lived long enough to be OF ALL SEVEN, and to be an 8th. This Beast is Apollyon, who is released at the 1st Woe. He was over Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome unto God locked him in the bottomless pit for the last 2000 or so years (the Mortal Wound). Israel called him The Destroyer, his job was to destroy Israel, BUT.............he has (LOOK) NO CROWNS on anything, he us not a Physical being like the man/kings nor is he the top dog on earth in the Spiritual world, Satan is over this earth !! But, he is the King of the Bottomless Pit, so he is an 8th, and will be of all 7 once he is released at the 1st Woe !! But he has NO CROWNS !! (See Rev. 17, NO CROWNS)

As I explained above, the 7 Beast Kingdoms were all started by SINGLE MEN (of course) whom God designated as Beasts also. SEE HERE: Dan. 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

So, each Beast Kingdom was started by MEN whom God considered Beasts in and of themselves.

God REDUCED the Kingdoms to Kings who fall in order to show us the last Beast will both Arise and Fall as the ONLY BEAST in his kingdom. Dan. 7:17 proves men arise as Beasts, then their Kingdoms became Beast Kingdoms, which simply means Dominating other nations/regions.

2. The ten horns are kings and not the European union Remember this from Daniel 7

Daniel 7:23-24
King James Version

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

The fourth kingdom rules the whole world! So the fourth kingdom has to be a one world govt. and from that iteration of the fourth beast comes ten kings after the beast devours the whole earth. and when these ten kings rule- the eleventh shall rise (who is also the eighth who is of the seven). So it is not the European Union , but the whole world, for we know the antichrist rules the whole world!

He devours the whole earth/LAND being spoken of. Just like Alexander the Great in Dan. 2.

Dan. 2:39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

So, did Alexander the Great and Greece rule over ALL THE EARTH or over all the area being spoken of just like the Fourth Beast is designated to do? You see, I take all factors in, I don't allow single verses to throw me off.

The #10 = Completion, the 10 kings represent ALL Europe. I can even show it to you on a map and explain why Dan. 2 is DIVIDED Europe. The Iron and Clay represents what we have now, Europe which is partly strong (England who has left or have they?) Germany, Spain, France and then the rest of the weaker nations. They are shown as Iron & Clay because they are indeed not one per se but MANY NATIONS who have tried to rule as one, but in the end to get what they desire they have to give all of their power over to ONE MAN. (Rev. 17:12)

Dan. 7:23 and 24 is referring to the Anti-Christ which is different from the First (Rome). Not from Babylon, we see in Dan. 7:3 that ALL of the Beasts were diverse from one another, but in verses 23 & 24 we see that the end time Beast is different from the first beast who was Rome.

Verse 23 is about Rome, and on the map Rome indeed conquered the whole Mediterranean Sea Region, I mean every square inch of the coastline like no other had before it.

Dan. 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth(spoken about), and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.



Verse 24 is about the End Time Anti-Christ and his 10 kings (Europe). So, Europe arises as a collective kingdom just after Israel is reborn via the Council of Rome in the mid 50s, and then the Anti-Christ is born in Greece (in the 10 or in Europe)

Dan. 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise(Europe): and another shall rise after them(Anti-Christ); and he shall be diverse from the first(Rome), and he shall subdue three kings. {{Yes, he is a singe MAN not a Empire so to speak. }}

 

[Ronald D Milam]

CONTINUED.............

Notice how the "son looks just like papa" on a map? The E.U. has Agreements (Covenant in Hebrew means Agreement) with Israel, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Morocco and Algeria as we speak and have had these agreements for nigh 20 years, they have been in 7 year cycles (no joke..... see here European Neighbourhood Policy - Wikipedia ) from 2007-2013 and from 2014-2020.

Now go read Dan. 11:36-45 and look at who all the Anti-Christ Conquers, its Countries he rolls through to get at Israel, (Syria, Jordan and Lebanon), plus Egypt, Libya and Ethiopia or ALL North Africa as per who those nations borders were at that time. The only place he can not conquer is Edom, Ammon and Moab, which just so happen the be the Mountainous regions where the children of Israel will flee unto at this same time. Its all right there. NOTICE, in Dan. 11 the coming Anti-Christ conquers MANY COUNTRIES. Notice in Dan. 8:25 he DESTROYS MANY by peace, notice in Dan. 9:27 he enters into an Agreement with MANY.........not just Israel !!

Dan. 11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

In Dan. 2:43 where it states they shall mingle themselves with the "seed of men" but they shall not cleave unto one another, that refers to the Europeans for 1500 years trying everything they could to reunite, even via Royal Marriage (seed of men) but nothing worked, Charlemagne tried to unite Europe as did Napoleon and Hitler, but to no avail of course. Only when Israel was reborn was Europe allowed to reunite as one entity.

Its the whole earth being spoken of........1/3 of the world is on fire, thus is why the Anti-Christ waits to attack until God's Wrath falls, it gives him a tactical advantage, he hears DARK SENTENCES (Satan is his strategist).

Greece however did rule over all the land and the land here refers to Israel!

And Greece did not rule over ALL THE EARTH, until you understand it is the earth that is being spoken about (7 Heads and 10 Horns) you will not grasp this in full. The USA will not even be an entity by that time, mark my words.

As per Nebuchadnezzar he was stated to rule over all men under heaven. You do the math. Wherever men dwell He (God) has given thee power over them.

Teh vison of the statue, the four beasts, and Revelation must be combined for they are all interrelated. These are also what Jesus said that Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled!

The beasts like the statue represent a continual trodding down of Jerusalem until Jesus returns as prophesied in Dan. 7!

Even in Revelation 13 the Leopard, Lion and Bear are mentioned, and the Beast with the Mortal Wound (Rome) and the Beast that heals the Mortal Wound (Anti-Christ who conquers Israel). We know 1/3 of the world is destroyed.

The beasts like the statue represent a continual trodding down of Jerusalem until Jesus returns as prophesied in Dan. 7!

To summarize, the four beasts are:

Babylon (gold, lion)
Medeo-Persia (silver bear lifted on one side)
Greece (leopard with four wings, brass)
Fourth beast ( unknown animal, iron, iron/clay)

The fourth beast started with Rome and is still in effect today!

No, the Fourth Beast had a Mortal Wound and went away for well over 1500 years. Probably closer to 1900 years since there can be no Beast over Israel when there is no Israel and Apollyon was placed into the bottomless pit. We the Church turned the actual physical Beast of Rome into a conveyor belt of the Gospel around 400 AD. So, there was no Beast for 1500-1900 years, the ole axiom about the papacy is nonsensical tbh. That is Armstrongism. (Herbert W. Armstrong)

The fourth beast started with Rome and is still in effect today!
Rome had two legs in the statue and that came to pass when rome split into two empires! Those two empires never ended but changed locations

West--- Rome, France, Germany , Spain, Western Democracies
East- Constaninople, Russia!( For when the Ottoman Empire fell, the leaders moved north to Russia)

This is just not factual. Were there two Greek Arms also via the Brass? This is made up conjecture sir. The Ottoman Empire was nothing, there was no Israel under them nor under the British Empire. The Russians were the Scynthians who were of Magog, one of the sons of Japeth.

What makes these tied to gether is that they all are imperialistic in their government. This is the fourth beast which is diverse. Rome introduced an entire new form of governing conquered lands- Imperialism which has survived as shown and even spread. The European Union will be one of the ten zones ruled by one of the ten, but thaqt is all.

Dan. 7:3 says ALL the Beasts were diverse, so you missed what verses 23 and 24 actually means, its how the Anti-Christ is DIFFERENT from Rome. One was a Beast of MANY RULERS the last will be a Beast of ONE MAN.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Like Barney, you have to allegorize the Scriptures to arrive at this conclusion. YOu have to make conclusions that cannot be proven biblically. It is best to take these symbols as literal. After all the bible defines the symbol of the ten horns as ten kings! Why should we symbolize what the bible defines them as to redefine them again.

The bible, especially prophesy, is given unto us in CODE. You have to understand it, the average joe is not called unto Prophecy, most who claim to be are also clueless tbh. (meaning either they were not called are fell from grace).

You want to deny God says he will destroy 1/3 of the earth? Rev. 8 clearly says God's Wrath dies that, you just never thought it through it seems.

That is a guess on your part!

No, I understood this via an IN DEPTH Exegesis of Daniel 11 and 12 were is name every king and every player in all of the verses. In Daniel 11 we see this.

Dan. 11:22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.

This is Onias III, who was run out of office by Antiochus Epiphanes after Onias III's brother bribed Antiochus to be naned the High Priest. He real name was Yeshua but he went by the name Jason because he was Hellenized. He then invited Antiochus into the temple of Gd to offer a sacrifice of a pig unto Zeus on God's altar. He then mandate that al Jews become Hellenized, leading unto the Maccabean Revolt. God gives is a RUNDOWN like none other in the bible, the prophetic utterings of all the coming Greek kings, then just before the Anti-Christ is given in verses 36-45 were are given his TYPE in Antiochus Epiphanes in Dan. 11:21-33-34, and since Antiochus is THEY TYPE Anti-Christ I started looking for TEY TYPE False Prophet under his control (LIGHT BULB MOMENT) and I then found him in Wikipedia, in history book, in the book of 2 Maccabean etc. Jason betrays his brothers just like the coming False Prophet will do. In Rev. 13 he is said to arise out of THE EARTH which is always Israel, the Sea is the Gentile nations in the bible.

Read about Jason in 2 Maccabees, its 6 chapters long... Bible Gateway passage: 2 Maccabees 4:7-10:9 - New American Bible (Revised Edition)

I don't make guesses, I follow the Holy Spirit, I know the difference between my thoughts and the Holy Spirits guidance brother. I went 30 years and never espoused to understand these things in full. I either say this is my understanding or intuition when something is an assumption.

You really think that a Jewish priest is going to convince the world to worship the beast? Especially when after teh antichrist rises from its deadly wound he goes on a global genocide against jews and Christians?

Again, you are confusing the reality with the facts, its not the Whole World. its the whole region being spoken of. The Anti-Christ will not have to Conquer the New World, it will be on fire, he will never conquer China, he conquers exactly what is shown in Dan. 11:40-43, that is all, its the whole land being spoken of, the 7 Headed 10 Horn region. Why can't you look at the 7 Heads and 10 horns and see via history what that area actually is? This Jewish High Priest s used because Satan loves using that which is supposed to be of God and defiling it, it is sweet fragrance to his nostrils. Any rule that is put forth by this "Jewish High Priest in the whole region will have the backing of the Beast. So, no Islam will be allowed, if you try to worship as a Muslim you will be killed, as a Hindu you will be killed, as a Christian who repented after the Rapture you will be killed, that is why the Jews who accepted Christ will have to flee unto the Wilderness. The High Priest will not do the killing, the Beast and his armies will do that, he just mandates that all men worship the Beast, just like Jason tried to MANDATE Hellenization unto the Jews 2200 years or so ago. I just do the grunt work, that's why I gain the knowledge, God wants us to work hard, pray, and ask for enlightenment.

These people who believe in MANKIND (Humanism) are wacky nut jobs. Look around you.

Even this is erroneous. Just look at a map of the EU. It is not contained to just the Mediterranean Sea Region! Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Great Britain?

Great Briton was a part of the old Roman Empire, its not going to be exact to the square inch, lol.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Ronald D Milan said
Not quite, it symbolizes the Governments in one concentrated section of the Mediterranean Sea Region, thus the 7 heads represent the 7 powers that ruled over Israel whilst she was a nation in the land or becoming a nation who was promised the land. Namely Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome.......AND the coming Anti-Christ who never passes his kingdom on so the Beast in Dan. 7 who all arose as kings and later became Gov. Beast are different in that this last Beast is the ONLY Beast himself. So, the 7 Heads = those 7 entities AND the 10 horns represent all (10 = Completion) Europe as we see it now, about 25-30 nations give or take. Its not the whole world, this is why the prophecy stated that Nebuchadnezzar ruled over all men in the land and why it stated that Alexander the Great ruled the whole earth (earth meaning LAND being spoken of as in the Mediterranean Sea Region).[/QUOTE\]

The seven world powers: Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, MedoPersian, Greece, Rome, AngloAmerican, certainly have had considerable impact on Gods people. These powers are included in this wild beast. However the fact that the scripture in Revelations says this beast rules over every tribe and people and tongue and nation, this beast represents all political powers that have dominated mankind throughout history. The scripture of revelation also say this beast has ten horns. Now we know from scripture that horns can represent political powers. The two horned beast that was a ram was made up of two powers, Media and Persia. The goat that had a great horn that was broken first represented Alexander the Great, then when he died four horns that represented four of his generals that divided the territory Alexander had conquered into four governments. In revelation there are ten horns the number 10 in symbolism represents completeness. These ten horns then represent the complete sovereign states making up the entire political organization of Satan. The ten diadems indicate that all sovereign states would exercise ruling power simultaneously with the dominate state, or world power, which today is the Anglo American world power. The AngloAmerican world power is the United States and Great Britain working together which they have working together since World War 1.

Ronald D Milan said:
You are erroneously extrapolating this to the whole globe, 1/3 of the world will at this time be on fire, so its just about the Mediterranean Sea Region as per this last Beast. We were taught all of this stuff in error, men projecting their understandings onto us. The Image is not of a 7 Headed Beast (that is God speak for a 3000 year metaphor that never truly existed at one time, its a bunch of nations as God sees them) The IMAGE will be of a man (E.U. President/King/Leader).[/QUOTE\]

Revelation 13:11,12 shows us that John saw another wild beast ascending out of the earth, it had two horns like a lamb, but it talks like a dragon. This two horned beast is said to exercise all the authority of the first wild beast in its sight. And it makes the earth and those who dwell in it worship the first wild beast.

Revelation 13:14,15 shows us that this two horned beast misleads those who dwell on the earth. The two horned beast says to those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the wild beast(seven heads ten horned with ten diadems). Breath was given to the image to the wild beast, so that the image of the wild beast should both speak and cause to be killed all those who would not in any way worship the image of the wild beast.This image is to promote the worship of the seven headed wild beast.
Today this image is the United Nations. This organization makes boastful remarks to be the only organization able to bring peace and security to mankind. The United Nations is a blasphemous counterfeit of God's Messianic Kingdom by his Prince of Peace, Jesus Christ, because true peace and security can only be attained by God and the arrangement he has made to do this is the Messianic kingdom with his Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ as king.

The one third of the earth being literally on fire I disagree with. The book of revelation was shown to John in signs. Much of revelation is symbolic. I understand that you take this one third of the earth on fire is literal but I do not. Jesus Christ said that his second presence would be as the day of Noah. Noah warned the people of his day about what was about to happen and they scoffed and mocked him. They live their lives as they always had, eating, drinking, marrying. They didn't believe anything that Noah was saying was true until the flood began. Just as in the days of Noah those who are Jesus true disciples the world will not believe what they're saying to be true, until Armageddon begins. The world will not even know they are living during the time of the Antichrist, they will believe that things will be going on as usual so one third of the earth being literally on fire, not true. The fire you're taking about is symbolic, not literal.

Ronald D Milan said:
The U.N. has nothing to do with these 7 Heads brother. That's just people guessing.[/QUOTE\]

You certainly have the right to disagree, just as I disagree with you.

 

[user]

The lion represented Babylon which also is the head of gold.

Daniel 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

It is America. And, we stand with Israel during the 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation...

Revelation 12:14 "And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent."

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Who is the Bible about? Especially the Old Testament? Israel of course. So who is being DOMINATED by these Beasts/Animals as named? Israel. Why is God allowing this? To bring Israel unto submission for their wayward ways, or in Egypt's case to bring Israel into a collective nationhood, but under Egypt they were indeed enslaved and domineered.

The bible is about teh glory of God. The OT after Jacob is about Israel, the NT after the gospels is about the church!

Yes God is going to fulfill all His promises to Israel, and He will save the entire nation! But only after 2/3 of them are killed.

Of course these Beasts are all going to arise from the great sea (Mediterranean Sea) because Israel is on that particular sea. The fact that it is Seven Mountains simply means 7 powers who arise, 5 kings are fallen is easy to interpret, Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia and Greece were FALLEN POWERS and each power had one king at the helm (of course) when they finally fell. Then in 90ish AD, Rome was still a power and were thus the ONE IS......and the one that is YET TO COME refers to the Anti-Christ, the only reason they are all all placed in the lowest common denominator is God wants us to know the Last King who FALLS will do something none of the other kings/Beasts did, he will both ARISE & FALL as the only Beast in his kingdom, all of the other Beasts had multiple kings from Nebuchadnezzar to Rome, but not the last Beast, he will Arise as the Beast and be cast in Hell by Jess as the Beast (Rev. 19:20).

This is all wild speculation based on reinterpreting Scripture. The visions start with Babylon- you add Egypt and Assyria to fit your narrative.

The antichrist is clearly said to be the eighth who is of the seven so you err right there!

Basically I answered this above so I shall not repeat this for both our sakes. However, I am advanced on all these things in my understanding because I simply asked God and refused to leave off until I got answers.

So your understanding is based on a mystical type interpretation! Why is yours any more valid than th numerous others who received the same kind of answers from god as you say you did and they all disagree with you! What makes you right, them wrong, and the Bible as written and understood in the light of history wrong? And you all disagree with Scripture as it is written and its symbols defined by Sripture itself

Dan. 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth(spoken about), and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

Ah , yes you must edit scripture with your (spoken about) to make any sense. Sorry but the whole earth is either all of Israel or all the world.

Dan. 2:39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

So, did Alexander the Great and Greece rule over ALL THE EARTH or over all the area being spoken of just like the Fourth Beast is designated to do? You see, I take all factors in, I don't allow single verses to throw me off.

Actually Alexander conquered more territory than Rome did.

Your map betrays you! As you can see Rome ruled far beyond the Mediterranean region. Unless of course you play twister again and reinterpret Scripture to have England and some of the Nordic countries mystically become the med. region.

And the false prophet ( a man) will cause each and every man and woman to wear a mark. The whole world is involved! Just like the whole world is involved in Armageddon and seeing the return of Jesus.

Context determines how eretz and ara are to be understood. And Just because it is a region in one place does not make it the rule for all other occasions- that is failing exegesis.

The Anti-Christ is not the the 8th, he is also not the Scarlet colored Beast of Rev. 17. The Holy Spirit revealed this to me 5 or so years ago via much studies. The CROWNS in each case designates who the Beast is in each chapter, see below:

And please don't dare tell anyone of made up conjecture . Your reinterpretation is nearly all conjecture---SIR!YOu have to answer the questrion of the two legs or the divided by two of the fourth beast or the legs of iron! The Roman form of government held sway in both east and west even to thei day1So ten kings doesn't mean tne kings and when the eleventh horn subdues three of the ten it doesn't mean three of the ten. You are not teaching Scripture but your own opinions!Well the Scarlet beast is the false religious system of the end times.

The #10 = Completion, the 10 kings represent ALL Europe. I can even show it to you on a map and explain why Dan. 2 is DIVIDED Europe. The Iron and Clay represents what we have now, Europe which is partly strong (England who has left or have they?) Germany, Spain, France and then the rest of the weaker nations. They are shown as Iron & Clay because they are indeed not one per se but MANY NATIONS who have tried to rule as one, but in the end to get what they desire they have to give all of their power over to ONE MAN. (Rev. 17:12)

Well I am sure you can, you have worked outa full reinterpretation of Scripture like the JW's, Mormons, Catholics, the old Armstrong cult and many other cults

Dan. 7:23 and 24 is referring to the Anti-Christ which is different from the First (Rome). Not from Babylon, we see in Dan. 7:3 that ALL of the Beasts were diverse from one another, but in verses 23 & 24 we see that the end time Beast is different from the first beast who was Rome.

Verse 23 is about Rome, and on the map Rome indeed conquered the whole Mediterranean Sea Region, I mean every square inch of the coastline like no other had before it.

And romes conquest of the med region is irrelavent excpet to those who want to keep the end confined to the med region.


If we are going by Scripture, the ten kings arise out of the fourth beast and the eleventh form the ten! It says He is different from teh first. Strict rules of grammar would say the first is the Lion which is Babylon. or if it refers to the fourth beast (who is the first in this series) then it would be Imperialism. Rome was the start of the fourth beast, and it has been in power since!

This is just not factual. Were there two Greek Arms also via the Brass? This is made up conjecture sir. The Ottoman Empire was nothing, there was no Israel under them nor under the British Empire. The Russians were the Scynthians who were of Magog, one of the sons of Japeth.

Well don't tell that to historians. The ottoman empire ruled for a long time over Israel the land! there has always been Israel- according to god. Just because He sent the people out of the land does not mean it ceased to exist from divine perspective! But when the Ottoman empire broke up- their leaders settled into Russia and established an Imperialistic form of government! And please do not speak of conjecture, when all your tale here is all conjecture---SIR!

The bible, especially prophesy, is given unto us in CODE. You have to understand it, the average joe is not called unto Prophecy, most who claim to be are also clueless tbh. (meaning either they were not called are fell from grace).

You want to deny God says he will destroy 1/3 of the earth? Rev. 8 clearly says God's Wrath dies that, you just never thought it through it seems.

So you join teh ranks of thousands who have declared that by prayer and deep study- they have been given the secret code! why is your codebreaking more right than the thousands who came before you????

Oh I have thought it through very carefully. I have walked with the Lord for over 47 years now and have studied eschatology for over 35 years and have taught it for over 30 years! I have read and prayed more on this probably lots more than you. I have a library of books written by so called code breakers! But I love your added twist-. If people dare to disagree with you they are either not given understanding or are fallen from grace!

Pride goeth before destruction- you need to really remember that.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

The bible is about teh glory of God. The OT after Jacob is about Israel, the NT after the gospels is about the church!

The Bible is Israeli centric, PERIOD. We know its about God, but God chose Israel to bring forth His Holy Writ. God can not be DOMINATED, so, the Beasts are about nations dominating Israel, not God.

Yes God is going to fulfill all His promises to Israel, and He will save the entire nation! But only after 2/3 of them are killed.

God saves the 1/3 who repent, the ALL Israel means the seed of Abraham is saved thus ALL Israel (as a Nation) is saved. Not every Jew, of course. But this happens BEFORE the 2/3 are killed, God only receives us by Faith, be we Jew or Gentile. God is not going to just choose 1/3 to save and allow 2/3 to die, He chooses the 1/3 because they repent JUST BEFORE the DOTL.

This is all wild speculation based on reinterpreting Scripture. The visions start with Babylon- you add Egypt and Assyria to fit your narrative.

The antichrist is clearly said to be the eighth who is of the seven so you err right there!

No, this is me understanding these things whereas you seemingly are not up to speed on these things. Its my calling, maybe its not your calling. The Beasts of Daniel START with Babylon, why look back whilst giving a Vision unto Nebuchadnezzar? But in Revelation John is shown ALL 7 Beasts over Israel, its not conjecture, we know all 7 Nations who have Beasted over Israel. So, I am looking at what John says, then diagnosing who the 7 are/were/will be. If you cant get there, that's on you.

Nowhere is the Anti-Christ said to be an 8th, he's a MAN, men do not get born twice, the 8th ARISES from the Bottomless Pit, now go read Rev. 9 and Rev. 11 and see who it is that kills the Two-witnesses.

Rev. 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Rev. 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Rev. 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

How can a man be OF THE SEVEN? He can't, this is a Demon named Apollyon whom God locked in the Bottomless Pit. Guess what, that Demon named Apollyon was the one who RESISTED Michael for 21 days in Dan. 10.

I just have a gift from God of being able to discern these things brother.

So your understanding is based on a mystical type interpretation! Why is yours any more valid than th numerous others who received the same kind of answers from god as you say you did and they all disagree with you! What makes you right, them wrong, and the Bible as written and understood in the light of history wrong? And you all disagree with Scripture as it is written and its symbols defined by Sripture itself

Your words not mine, if you want to call the Holy Spirit "Mystical" that is on you, but beware, God hears all things said, and knows everyone's hearts. I cant help it if you and others are not called unto what I am called unto, maybe you are called to save souls or heal, if you can train yourself properly, go for it. Its not up to me to be able to get you to understand these things.

Ah , yes you must edit scripture with your (spoken about) to make any sense. Sorry but the whole earth is either all of Israel or all the world.

No, you are reading scriptures in English that was originally written in Hebrew, Chaldean & Greek, and also where they ADDED WORDS to the English texts in many cases, seems you miss that somewhat. I point out to you that Alexander the Great DID NOT CONQUER the Whole World and I thus show its not the WHOLE WORLD but the whole earth being spoken about, I have spent many hours studying this and its the whole earth being spoken about. That is why both Nebuchadnezzar and Alexander the Great were said to have conquered the whole earth in Dan. 2, and we know they did not do that. We also know 1/3 of the world will be on fire, unless God is a liar. You are taking a point and running with it, when I am showing it doesn't mean the whole earth as we think, but the whole earth/land being spoken of, and since the Beasts all arise out of the Great Sea (Mediterranean Sea) then we know what is being spoken of. I have studied all this in depth.

Actually Alexander conquered more territory than Rome did.

1.)That is not relevant to the facts that Alexander the Great did not conquer the WHOLE WORLD and thus its only about the Mediterranean Sea Region.....AND Rome Conquered more of the Mediterranean Sea Region than all of the others, you want to look at that? Maps don't lie.



VERSES.............................



Now, only look around the Mediterranean Sea Coastline, who conquered MORE? Rome of course.

Your map betrays you! As you can see Rome ruled far beyond the Mediterranean region. Unless of course you play twister again and reinterpret Scripture to have England and some of the Nordic countries mystically become the med. region.

And the false prophet ( a man) will cause each and every man and woman to wear a mark. The whole world is involved! Just like the whole world is involved in Armageddon and seeing the return of Jesus.

Context determines how eretz and ara are to be understood. And Just because it is a region in one place does not make it the rule for all other occasions- that is failing exegesis.

Again, it is not relevant who ruled what, the only conversation that matters unto God is who rules over the Mediterranean Sea Region whilst Israel is in the land. There are ONLY 7 in total counting the coming Anti-Christ.

You just can't get over or around all of the false assumptions you once learned brother, they have given you tunnel vision on this. The Holy Spirit told me in an answer to my prayer as per to why the Church is so all over the place on these things (you think the Church should have 100s of understandings? I don't) The Holy Spirit was like, "You guys already know it all Ron" so, I got the slap in the face 5 or 6 years ago. We heard these things as passed down by men, thus there is now no room for God's truths to seep in at all !! Until we understand that a lot of our insights came from men not God and relearn things in full by simply asking God to show us His truths, we will not be able to accept God's truths.

CONTINUED LATER..........

 

[Ronald D Milam]

And please don't dare tell anyone of made up conjecture . Your reinterpretation is nearly all conjecture---SIR!

I lay out THE FACTS. You sir are guessing, sadly.

YOu have to answer the questrion of the two legs or the divided by two of the fourth beast or the legs of iron!

Its NOT RELEVEVANT, Israel was not a Nation by that time, why is it you lose focus on that point?

The Roman form of government held sway in both east and west even to thei day1So ten kings doesn't mean tne kings and when the eleventh horn subdues three of the ten it doesn't mean three of the ten. You are not teaching Scripture but your own opinions!Well the Scarlet beast is the false religious system of the end times.

Your focus is gone, this is ALL ABOUT Israel being Dominated, and Israel from 70 AD until 1948 was seen by God as Dead Men's Bones !! You can't dominate that which God says does not exist as an entity !! You think as you think, but not as God thinks.

The 10 kings is ALL Europe Divided, there is no 11th, the bible says ANOTHER, not an 11th, because the 10 represents COMPLETION throughout the bible. The ANOTHER is the Anti-Christ who is simply born in Europe as in Greece.

The Scarlet Beast is Apollyon. FACTS. I am just hip. God called me unto this, I am not just playing around on the internet brother.

Well I am sure you can, you have worked outa full reinterpretation of Scripture like the JW's, Mormons, Catholics, the old Armstrong cult and many other cults

Again, I understand, you don't, its not any kind of reinterpretation, this is what the holy word says. I noticed when guys like you can't understand something you resort to these name calling tactics. It will not work here, if someone continues to do this I just ignore them.

And romes conquest of the med region is irrelavent excpet to those who want to keep the end confined to the med region.


If we are going by Scripture, the ten kings arise out of the fourth beast and the eleventh form the ten! It says He is different from teh first. Strict rules of grammar would say the first is the Lion which is Babylon. or if it refers to the fourth beast (who is the first in this series) then it would be Imperialism. Rome was the start of the fourth beast, and it has been in power since!

The 7 are all kings/rulers over Israel in the GREAT SEA REGION........All of the Beasts arose out of the GREAT SEA (MSR).

No, verse 3 already stated that ALL OF THE BEASTS WERE DIVERSE, go read it, so why would verse 24 not just continue that verbiage? ALL of the Beasts are different? Because its not speaking about the first three here, but the difference between, Rome (who went away via a Mortal Wound) and the Anti-Christ who HEALED the Mortal Wound of the "Figurative Seven Headed Beast" with the Anti-Christ being the last Head who was only able to arise AFTER the Rapture of the Church, whom the gates of hell had no power to overcome. Via our blood(Churches), we turned Rome from a Beast into a conveyor belt of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. That was the MORTAL WOUND.

Correct, the 10 kings arise in Europe, Rome was a European centrist kingdom, and when it comes to its FULL SELF via the Anti-Christs conquering of North Africa, it will look on a map almost identical to Rome in 117 AD. The Anti-Christ is a 5th Beast, God tells us the Fourth Beast went away, it had a Mortal Wound, except in the BoR it would be the 6th Beast, as in 5 have FALLEN...ONE IS... and one is YET TO COME.

Well don't tell that to historians. The ottoman empire ruled for a long time over Israel the land! there has always been Israel- according to god. Just because He sent the people out of the land does not mean it ceased to exist from divine perspective! But when the Ottoman empire broke up- their leaders settled into Russia and established an Imperialistic form of government! And please do not speak of conjecture, when all your tale here is all conjecture---SIR!

I don't bother with what historians think, lol, I work for God brother. Most historians have Daniel as living 400 years later than he did because they can see no way he predicted all of those things he did, so I don't worry about what Historian's think per se, I do read them, but not for their beliefs on faith. The Ottoman Empire NEVER ruled over Israel, she was totted off and not in the land, you don't really think Israel is the land do you? Israel is the people, and God stated they are Dead Men's Bones, see the Valley of Dry Bones Prophecy !! Magog was a son of Japeth, Noah's son.

So you join teh ranks of thousands who have declared that by prayer and deep study- they have been given the secret code! why is your codebreaking more right than the thousands who came before you????

All I know is you do not understand it, I don't worry about the others I am not talking unto tbh. I will let you worry about them brother. Remember, God is not mocked. So, when God gives us understanding, and others mock it, that's between them and God. You basically are wrong on everything you espouse. So, of course you will not agree with me on anything, and thus I guess that is good.

God Bless

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The Bible is Israeli centric. PERIOD. We know its about God, but Gid chose Israel to bring forth His Holy Writ. God can not be DOMINATED, so, the Beasts are about nations dominating Israel, not God.

You need to read from Acts 9 through the pastoral epistles.

I lay out THE FACTS. You sir are guessing, sadly.

You lay down some facts to boost your conjectures. I can prove my case through th ebible as written and from history. You can only prove it by saying you got a bosco decoder ring from God!

God saves the 1/3 who repent, the ALL Israel means the seed of Abraham is saved thus ALL Israel (as a Nation) is saved. Not every Jew, of course. But this happens BEFORE the 2/3 are killed, God only receives us by Faith, be we Jew or Gentile. God is not going to just choose 1/3 to save and allow 2/3 to die, .

Well you are wrong if you read scripture as written, but you appear not to so there we are! Zech. calls you a liar, Ez. calls you a liar. As a matter of faqct the 1/3 get saved approximately three days before Jesus returns. That is the bible.

No, this is me understanding these things whereas you seemingly are not up to speed on these things. Its my calling, maybe its not your calling. The Beasts f Daniel START with Babylon, why look back whilst giving a Vision unto Nebuchadnezzar? But in Revelation John s shown ALL 7 Beasts over Israel, its not conjecture, we know all 7 Nations who have Beasted over Israel. u.

Well it is you defining beasted. Not Scripture. Yours is just another of over a dozen interpretations. And the other 11 or more have the same calling- what makes yours more right than theirs. None of the explanations of the 7 kings in rev. are very solid- including yours. Especially as you skip nations that conquered Israel and add Egypt when Israel was not even a nation yet (the definition you use to exclude nations after Rome) You are inconsistent.

And as I have taught Eschatology for over 30 years and have been confirmed by many Pastors who are believers, I would venture it is my calling.

Your words nit mine, if you want to call the Holy Spirit "Mystical" that is on you, but beware, God hears all things said, and knows everyone's hearts. I cant help it of you and others are not called unto what I am called unto, maybe you are called to save souls or heal, if you can't train yourself properly, go for it. Its not up to me to be able to get you to understand these things.

How do you fit your head through a door? You join the ranks of hundreds of others who received the "code" from God by the Holy Spirit. Guys like you are a dime a dozen when it comes to these "special interpretations".

No, you are reading scriptures in English that was originally written in Hebrew & Chaldean and also where they ADDED WORDS to the English texts in many cases, seems you miss that somewhat. I point out to you that Alexander the Great DID NOT CONQUER the Whole World and I thus show its not the WHOLE WORLD but the whole earth being spoken about, I .

Well as I have had over a year of training in the languages, use several language tools to read and study, and study under believers who speak Hebrew as their native language- I am confident in my ability. also I have many books on ancient biblical history surrounding the other nations like Greece and Rome.

And Nebuchadnezzar was never said to conquer the world like Alexander did! You need to go back and reread. And the majority of added words are put there correctly to properly tranlsate a Greek of Hebrew passage into English.

Nowhere is the Anti-Christ said to be an 8th, he's a MAN, men do not get born twice, the 8th ARISES from the Bottomless Pit, now go read Rev. 9 and Rev. 11 and see who it is that kills the Two-witnesses.

Wow you really are ignorant of scriptures aren't you.

He is the prince of the people to come in Dan. who makes a 7 year covenant with Israel.
he is THE MAN of sin in Thessalonians who will sit in the temple declaring himself god.
Jesus called Him the Aof D which according to Daniel is a man!
He is the physical son of Satan as a counterfeit to the divine birth of jesus.
Apollyon is an angel.
Yes he is the 8th :
Rev. 17:.

was and is not- is a euphemism for dying and then coming back from death. the bottomless pit (abyssos) was a common term used among Greek speakers to speak of the grave where souls went. It refers to Orcus.

As for the two witnesses. No it is not Apollyon's job to kill the witnesses. He is to lead the other beasts to torment people who have not the seal of God. bottomless pit is not a a definitive for Apollyon (abaddon). For one who loves to reinterpret the Bible, you lack understanding the symbol of the Sea. It is not describing a body of water but an ethnic group ---gentiles. Any time sea is used symbolically for being on earth, it is the gentiles!

ow can a man be OF THE SEVEN? He can't, this is a Demon named Apollyon whom God locked in the Bottomless Pit. Guess what, that Demon named Apollyon was the one who RESISTED Michael for 21 days in Dan. 10.

Wow! so Abaddon is in the bottomless pit, locked up for a specific time, yet got out to be teh demonic ruler over Persia. and how did Abaddon resist Michael? did Michael have to travel through the bottomless pit to get to Daniel in Shushan?

I just have a gift from God of being able to discern these things brother.

Once again get in line with the thousand of other self proclaimed "discewrners" they disagree with you! As do I.

gain, it is not relevant who ruled what, the only conversation that matters unto God is who rules over the Mediterranean Sea Region whilst Israel is in the land. There are ONLY 7in total counting the coming Anti-Christ.

Wrong. You force it to mean just teh Med while Israel is in the land. Well Israel wasn't in the land when Egypt conquered. Israel hadn't even become a nation yet. Just 70 or 80 when they went from the promised land to Egypt. And then they spent 400 years not in the land!

God is consistent- you are not!

You just can't get over or around all of the false assumptions you once learned brother, they have given you tunnel vision on this. The Holy Spirit told me in an answer to my prayer why the Church is so all over the place on these things (you think the Church should have 100s of understandings? I don't) is that "You guys already know it all Ron" so, I got the slap in the face 5 or 6 years ago. We heard these things as passed down by men, thus there is now no room for God's truths to seep in at all !! Until we understand that were from men not God and relearn things in full by simply asking God to show us His truths.

Is this what god told you in one of your mystic times with Him?

So aftger 2,000+ years we have a man who i s going to tell us how no one got it right! I think it is safe to hold my breath.

Yo don't even know me and are guilty of presumptious sin in your "pious arrogance". I know I don't know it all. I am still learning. You are just a prooud arrogant believer who thinks He has a special revelation.

CT Russell had the same
J. Smith had th esame
Father divine had the same
MB Eddy had the same
Popes had teh same
millions of authors had the same.
You are just another proud person stuck on your secret reinterpretations.

Yo udo not even realize you say the exact same cult leaders have said. And heretics have said. They all spoke with God, got slapped upside the head, got special revelation from God and on and on and on.. When you fall on your face, the body of Christ which you seem to snub will be there to pick you up .

Why aren't you on a speaking tour trying to teach the body the truth? Why haven't you written a book to show the truth to believers you imply have been decieved by lying believers?

Do you care so little for your brothers and sisters in Christ you won't even try to reach out? I for one am glad you haven't. I do not wish to add you to my large selection of Revelation revealers who got special revelation from God after praying hard to know!

Being in teh winter of my life, I have learned some patience, so I am glad tha tgod will eventually sho wyou it wasn't Him that told you to twist teh Scriptures with your special "code".

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I don't bother with what historians think, lol, I work for Gid brother. Most historians have Daniel as living 400 years later than he did because they can see no way he predicted all of those things he did, so I don't worry about what Historian's think per se, I do read them, but not for their beliefs on faith. They NEVER ruled over Israel, she was taken off and not in the land, you dnt really think Israel is the land do you? Israel is the people, and God stated they are Dead Men's Bones, see the Valley of Dry Bones Prophecy !! Magog was a son of Japeth, Noah's son.

Just shows your ignorance. Some do - the liberal ones. Israel is both the people and the land! Depends on which verse is being read.

The 10 kings is AL Europe Divided, there is no 11th, the bible says ANOTHER, not an 11th, because the 10 represents COMPLETION throughout the bible. The ANOTHER it the Anti-Christ who is simply born in Europe as in Greece.

Daniel 7:7-8
King James Version

7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

The Bible says you are wrong!

All I know is you do not understand it, I don't worry about the others I am not talking unto tbh. I will let you worry about them brother. Remember, God is not mocked. So, when Gid gives us understanding, and other mock it, thats between them and God. You basically are wrong on everything you espouse. So, of course you will not agree with me on anything, and thus I guess that good.

How can one understand error like yours? Heed these words from God not reinterpreted which is your specialty

Proverbs 16:18
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

but as a borther who cares about your soul and your mind- I ask you to do this,

Take your "interpretations" or wisdom you say you have received from God and submit it to your senior Pastor for confirmation.

SCripture says let every fact be established by two or three witnesses. If this is from God He will move your elders, if not He will tell them as well!

 

[michaelvpardo]

Daniel saw a lion. The symbol of Great Britain. The lion had eagle’s wings which were plucked.

Daniel 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

Today, the most powerful nation on earth is symbolized by an eagle: the United States (we came from Britain).

The eagle’s wings are mentioned in Revelation 12:14 "And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent."

The eagle was the symbol of Rome and the Holy Roman Empire covered most of Europe.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

You need to read from Acts 9 through the pastoral epistles.

No, we are not speaking about the Gospel which was given unto the Gentiles to take to the whole world because God took the mantle from the Jews and gave it unto the Gentiles for the whole Church Age (time of the Gentiles). That's a given, but every book in the Bible was written by a Jew basically, so all of the Epistles are Israel Centric also, as is the book of Revelation. Maybe Ruth was not a Jew but it still may have been written by a Jew, I am not sure, but the point is the bible is Jewish Centric, the Church Age is not per se, but it is, Jesus was a Jew also.

You lay down some facts to boost your conjectures. I can prove my case through th ebible as written and from history. You can only prove it by saying you got a bosco decoder ring from God!

God encoded the book of Revelation VASTLY, and other books lie Daniel etc. If Jesus told his Disciples he spoke unto them in parables so they would understand but the world hearing would not understand, don't you think the bible is no different? He speaks to us via his word and much of it is given unto us where only we can understand it.

Let me point out something, do you think modern armies need the Euphrates River to dry up in order to cross the river? Or do you think , hey that is probably God speaking in a metaphor? So, what had been going on via the Trump Judgments and the first 5 Vials? Much Judgements, many plagues, many, many deaths etc. These people are scared, they are dodging God fury, trying to survive. but all of the sudden they get the courage to all unite and to form armies to come against God.....BUT WHY? Because I believe the 6th Vial :Euphrates River" drying up is God Speak for Him saying, I am going to allow the Wicked to GO FORTH.........How so? By stopping His plagues long enough to allow Satan/Demons/Anti-Christ to entice these world leaders and their followers to say, its all stopped, and the Two-witnesses who tormented us have died, COME, let us go kill all of the Jews and then Gid will leave us alone !! So, the Euphrates River is a Metaphor for God's Wrath, it has these wimps in hiding, but God PAUSES his wrath/plagues long enough for Satan to entice these cowards into one last effort to defeat God, and they have already taken the Mark of the Beast, so they have to try something, they know their fate.

The Euphrates River is thus a metaphor, God dries up their PROBLEM/Obstacle, His Wrath !! For a short while, then He wipes them out as Jesus returns with us the Church. I just understand God's voice on these things because this is my calling for 37 years.

Well you are wrong if you read scripture as written, but you appear not to so there we are! Zech. calls you a liar, Ez. calls you a liar. As a matter of faqct the 1/3 get saved approximately three days before Jesus returns. That is the bible.

There you go with names again. Now allow me to prove you to be in error with three simple verses in Zechariah AND with one verse in Malachi. Seems your problem may just e you do not understand when and what the Day of the Lord is. It falls in the exact middle of the week on day 1260, it lasts for 1260 days THEN Jesus Returns IMMEDIATLY AFTER those (1260) days of troubles, the Jews are in hiding for 1260 days, not ONE DAY !!

Zechariah 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. 9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

The very next verse is the Day of the Lord

Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

ABOVE, the Anti-Christ conquers Israel at the 1260 event (Dan. 12:7)

BELOW, Jesus shows up 3.5 years later, after the Jews hide in the Petra/Bozrah area for 1260 days, because the Anti-Christ rules Israel for 1260 days. Then Jesus shows up and defeats the AC.

Zechariah 14:3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. 4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

So, the Jews repent BEFORE the Day of the Lord and flees unto the mountains at the 1290, which is 30 days before the 1260, so they have 30 days to flee Israel before the A.C. conquers Jerusalem and Israel. AS SEEN ABOVE in scriptures, then 1260 days later Jesus shows up.

Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

So, in BOTH CASES, we see Israel repents BEFORE God's Judgment falls onto mankind. Now, if you think the DOTL Lord is one day, that's on you. Then you have to explain why Israel is in hiding for 1260 days. The truth is too many people who are not called unto Prophecy are trying to teach it and refuse to listen to those who are called unto it, that is a major problem.

Well it is you defining beasted. Not Scripture. Yours is just another of over a dozen interpretations. And the other 11 or more have the same calling- what makes yours more right than theirs. None of the explanations of the 7 kings in rev. are very solid- including yours. Especially as you skip nations that conquered Israel and add Egypt when Israel was not even a nation yet (the definition you use to exclude nations after Rome) You are inconsistent.

And as I have taught Eschatology for over 30 years and have been confirmed by many Pastors who are believers, I would venture it is my calling.

Because I am correct brother, because I know the holy spirits voice, and because I am called unto this via God's calling, via a vision, telling me the Anti-Christ was alive in 1986. Satan can appear as an Angel of light. I'm not interested in OTHERS, you trying to use that red herring is just not gong to work, I will let you worry about others, I answer to God, not other men. Satan always accuses the brothers and tries to mix in scriptures and half truths, "Thou shalt not surly die". So, I don't worry about others or what others say.

Egypt was enslaving Israel for 430 years, or for much of that 430 years after Joseph died. Assyria toted off the Northern Kingdoms, laid siege on Jerusalem, which failed. 5 Had Fallen, ONE IS (At John time it was Rome, of course), the other on YET TO COME, can only be the Anti-Christ, that is not that hard to figure out.

So, all this Ottoman Empire stuff is just not thought out well, but men's pride refuses to loose its grip many times. I love being wrong, that way I know God the KNOWER is teaching me. If you only understood how many times I heard YOU ARE WRONG Ron, and that is why He teaches me, I am not all about me !! Only when you learn God knows it al and He will only teach those who understand this, He can't teach those who already have all the answers.

Many Pastors don't understand Eschatology either.

How do you fit your head through a door? You join the ranks of hundreds of others who received the "code" from God by the Holy Spirit. Guys like you are a dime a dozen when it comes to these "special interpretations".

Don't be mad, get on your knees and pray for understanding. Cain slew Abel because he was jealous of his offering unto God.

Well as I have had over a year of training in the languages, use several language tools to read and study, and study under believers who speak Hebrew as their native language- I am confident in my ability. also I have many books on ancient biblical history surrounding the other nations like Greece and Rome.

And Nebuchadnezzar was never said to conquer the world like Alexander did! You need to go back and reread. And the majority of added words are put there correctly to properly tranlsate a Greek of Hebrew passage into English.

Yes he was, it was stated that ALL MEN under Heaven, wheresoever they live !!

Dan. 2:38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.

WHERESOEVER = EVERYWHERE !! You can quibble all you want by playing word games, I am correct, just like Alexander the Great he was said to have conquered the whole world, but it just means the EARTH being spoken about.

When understanding the bible you have to be very carful what the language at the time meant.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

CONTINUED.........

Wow you really are ignorant of scriptures aren't you.

He is the prince of the people to come in Dan. who makes a 7 year covenant with Israel.
he is THE MAN of sin in Thessalonians who will sit in the temple declaring himself god.
Jesus called Him the Aof D which according to Daniel is a man!
He is the physical son of Satan as a counterfeit to the divine birth of jesus.
Apollyon is an angel.
Yes he is the 8th :
Rev. 17:.

was and is not- is a euphemism for dying and then coming back from death. the bottomless pit (abyssos) was a common term used among Greek speakers to speak of the grave where souls went. It refers to Orcus.

As for the two witnesses. No it is not Apollyon's job to kill the witnesses. He is to lead the other beasts to torment people who have not the seal of God. bottomless pit is not a a definitive for Apollyon (abaddon). For one who loves to reinterpret the Bible, you lack understanding the symbol of the Sea. It is not describing a body of water but an ethnic group ---gentiles. Any time sea is used symbolically for being on earth, it is the gentiles!

Close, he is the prince to come, of the Romans who destroyed Jerusalem. Yes he is a MAN BEAST, but we fight not against flesh and blood PER SE, but against wickedness in high places (Demon powers). So the Red Dragon is a Beast is Rev. 12 with 7 CROWNS, the Beast of Rev. 13 is indeed a MAN with 10 CROWNS on the 10 (Europe) horns and the Scarlet Colored Beast is a Demon named Apollyon, whether you can grasp that or not is not going to change the facts sir. Apollyon is the Demon who was over Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome, than placed in the pit, then released and ten over the Anti-Christ.

The Sea is both Gentiles and the Great Sea as in the Mediterranean Sea, but only Gentiles arose to rule of Israel, of course, so it can be and is both.

Wow! so Abaddon is in the bottomless pit, locked up for a specific time, yet got out to be teh demonic ruler over Persia. and how did Abaddon resist Michael? did Michael have to travel through the bottomless pit to get to Daniel in Shushan?

He was not locked up then, you just can't quite keep up here.

Once again get in line with the thousand of other self proclaimed "discewrners" they disagree with you! As do I.

Again, I will let you worry about others, you seem to do that very well.

Wrong. You force it to mean just teh Med while Israel is in the land. Well Israel wasn't in the land when Egypt conquered. Israel hadn't even become a nation yet. Just 70 or 80 when they went from the promised land to Egypt. And then they spent 400 years not in the land!

God is consistent- you are not!

Israel was a Nation in God's Eyes in Egypt, you want to argue they were not? Your problem is you wat to fit everything unto your assumptions. Israel was a Nation in Egypt, God had already promised the the land. The people are the nation, God revoked them as a people or nation for 2000 years, it is on you that you can't understand that.

Is this what god told you in one of your mystic times with Him?

I see now you are not one to converse with, again, you go ahead and do you, everything you espouse God records.

So aftger 2,000+ years we have a man who i s going to tell us how no one got it right! I think it is safe to hold my breath.

Yo don't even know me and are guilty of presumptious sin in your "pious arrogance". I know I don't know it all. I am still learning. You are just a prooud arrogant believer who thinks He has a special revelation.

CT Russell had the same
J. Smith had th esame
Father divine had the same
MB Eddy had the same
Popes had teh same
millions of authors had the same.
You are just another proud person stuck on your secret reinterpretations.

Yo udo not even realize you say the exact same cult leaders have said. And heretics have said. They all spoke with God, got slapped upside the head, got special revelation from God and on and on and on.. When you fall on your face, the body of Christ which you seem to snub will be there to pick you up .

Why aren't you on a speaking tour trying to teach the body the truth? Why haven't you written a book to show the truth to believers you imply have been decieved by lying believers?

Do you care so little for your brothers and sisters in Christ you won't even try to reach out? I for one am glad you haven't. I do not wish to add you to my large selection of Revelation revealers who got special revelation from God after praying hard to know!

Being in teh winter of my life, I have learned some patience, so I am glad tha tgod will eventually sho wyou it wasn't Him that told you to twist teh Scriptures with your special "code".

Blah, blah, blah, discuss the facts, not others my brother. When you can't overcome an argument you just change the subject, call people names etc. And it seems you do not even understand how to hear the Holy Spirit, that is very odd to me.

Just shows your ignorance. Some do - the liberal ones. Israel is both the people and the land! Depends on which verse is being read.

You missed the whole point, of course, I don't hearken unto men in general but to the one who KNOWS ALL. Did you not discern my point?

The Bible says you are wrong!

You just do not understand it, at all. You think you do, sadly. And I already know why, you can't come off of an old understanding. I see this all the time.

How can one understand error like yours? Heed these words from God not reinterpreted which is your specialty

Proverbs 16:18
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

but as a borther who cares about your soul and your mind- I ask you to do this,

Take your "interpretations" or wisdom you say you have received from God and submit it to your senior Pastor for confirmation.

SCripture says let every fact be established by two or three witnesses. If this is from God He will move your elders, if not He will tell them as well!

Here is another one, who puts up passages and that must AUTOMATICALLY mean whoever he is conversing with is guilty of what he is posting, LOL, I always laugh at those people who do this.

God Bless.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No, we are not speaking about the Gospel which was given unto the Gentiles to take to the whole world because God took the mantle from the Jews and gave it unto the Gentiles for the whole Church Age (time of the Gentiles). That's a given, but every book in the Bible was written by a Jew basically, so all of the Epistles are Israel Centric also, as is the book of Revelation. Maybe Ruth was not a Jew but it still may have been written by a Jew, I am not sure, but the point is the bible is Jewish Centric, the Church Age is not per se, but it is, Jesus was a Jew also.

So you have thrown out a big chunk of Romans then! Why am I not surprised. Luke is not a Jew and no the epistles are not Israel centric- but Christian centric. The church is nothing more than Jew and Gentile coming together in faith to form the bride of Christ!

The bible is God centric. the OT after the Exodus is Jewish centric.
The gospels and Acts are the transition from Israel to the church as Israel as a nation is temporarily set aside so God can gather out of the gentiles a people for His name.

James and Hebrews are Jewish centric.

Revelation is tribulation centric (describing teh Acts of God to punish the earth and its inhabitants), in order to preapre the surviving remant of Israel to receive Her Messiah.

God encoded the book of Revelation VASTLY, and other books lie Daniel etc. If Jesus told his Disciples he spoke unto them in parables so they would understand but the world hearing would not understand, don't you think the bible is no different? He speaks to us via his word and much of it is given unto us where only we can understand it.

Not at all! The bible is for believers! there is no need to give a secret code. Your decoding is about the 500th I have read from someone who got whapped upside the head by god and given the Bosco decoder ring!

Let me point out something, do you think modern armies need the Euphrates River to dry up in order to cross the river? Or do you think , hey that is probably God speaking in a metaphor? So, what had been going on via the Trump Judgments and the first 5 Vials? Much Judgements, many plagues, many, many deaths etc. These people are scared, they are dodging God fury, trying to survive. but all of the sudden they get the courage to all unite and to form armies to come against God.....BUT WHY? Because I believe the 6th Vial :Euphrates River" drying up is God Speak for Him saying, I am going to allow the Wicked to GO FORTH.........How so? By stopping His plagues long enough to allow Satan/Demons/Anti-Christ to entice these world leaders and their followers to say, its all stopped, and the Two-witnesses who tormented us have died, COME, let us go kill all of the Jews and then Gid will leave us alone !! So, the Euphrates River is a Metaphor for God's Wrath, it has these wimps in hiding, but God PAUSES his wrath/plagues long enough for Satan to entice these cowards into one last effort to defeat God, and they have already taken the Mark of the Beast, so they have to try something, they know their fate.

The Euphrates River is thus a metaphor, God dries up their PROBLEM/Obstacle, His Wrath !! For a short while, then He wipes them out as Jesus returns with us the Church. I just understand God's voice on these things because this is my calling for 37 years.

I will admit your fanciful reinterpretation of the Bible is more amusing reading than the Watchtowers and I thought they had the most wierdest! YOu need to reread Revelation again without Joseph Smiths magical glasses and realize the world is not running from punishment but blaspheming God!

Zechariah 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. 9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

The very next verse is the Day of the Lord

Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the c

Your errors about the day of the Lord is that you do not realize that there are many days of the Lord! When not modified it refers to all of the 70 th week of Daniel (7 years) When modified it is either the return of the Lord or a specific time frame when god will do something. YOu have become blinded to reality by your reinterpretations.

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

These verses from Re. 6 declare teh start of teh 7 year tribulation period.

So, in BOTH CASES, we see Israel repents BEFORE God's Judgment falls onto mankind. Now, if you think the DOTL Lord is one day, that's on you. Then you have to explain why Israel is in hiding for 1260 days. The truth is too many people who are not called unto Prophecy are trying to teach it and refuse to listen to those who are called unto it, that is a major problem.

I hope you do not break your elbow patting yourself on the back! No the DOTL is not one day unless described so in Gods Word. Otherwise it generally is a time frame.

Israel is brought to Petra for 3 1/2 years to avoid genocide by the Antichrist (the beast from the sea) by God!

Because I am correct brother, because I know the holy spirits voice, and because I am called unto this via God's calling, via a vision, telling me the Anti-Christ was alive in 1986. Satan can appear as an Angel of light. I'm not interested in OTHERS, you trying to use that red herring is just not gong to work, I will let you worry about others, I answer to God, not other men. Satan always accuses the brothers and tries to mix in scriptures and half truths, "Thou shalt not surly die". So, I don't worry about others or what others say.

So you add another date for the antichrist! Why is your more correct from the so many other self proclaimed prophets of God? He may have been alive in that year. I believe so, but I won't be so foolish as to declare so.

You remind me of Edgar Wisnet who wrote a little booklet He said He got from god after much prayer. "88 reasons why the rapture of the church will happen in September of 1988". YOu are just another in a long line of misguided individuals. I would love you to be right, but the way you mishandle the Word of God insures that you are wrong!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Close, he is the prince to come, of the Romans who destroyed Jerusalem. Yes he is a MAN BEAST, but we fight not against flesh and blood PER SE, but against wickedness in high places (Demon powers). So the Red Dragon is a Beast is Rev. 12 with 7 CROWNS, the Beast of Rev. 13 is indeed a MAN with 10 CROWNS on the 10 (Europe) horns and the Scarlet Colored Beast is a Demon named Apollyon, whether you can grasp that or not is not going to change the facts sir. Apollyon is the Demon who was over Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome, than placed in the pit, then released and ten over the Anti-Christ.

The Sea is both Gentiles and the Great Sea as in the Mediterranean Sea, but only Gentiles arose to rule of Israel, of course, so it can be and is both.

The dragon is Satan.
The beast from the sea is the person called antichrist
The beast from the land is a man called the false prophet

and how do you know Apollyon is the demon prince over all those lands?

He was not locked up then, you just can't quite keep up here.

And what Scripture shows He was not locked up?

Again, I will let you worry about others, you seem to do that very well.

I do not worry, I weep for all of you!

Israel was a Nation in God's Eyes in Egypt, you want to argue they were not? Your problem is you wat to fit everything unto your assumptions. Israel was a Nation in Egypt, God had already promised the the land. The people are the nation, God revoked them as a people or nation for 2000 years, it is on you that you can't understand that.

they were a nation in eternity past! You want to argue that? But as sane people define nations, no Israel was not a nation yet. They7 were 70 or 80 people.

Blah, blah, blah, discuss the facts, not others my brother. When you can't overcome an argument you just change the subject, call people names etc. And it seems you do not even understand how to hear the Holy Spirit, that is very odd to me.

did your god tell you that I don't hear the spirit as well? Well you are a phony and so consumed by youyr own arrogance you cannot even see that. but it shall be God who crushes you to remold you.

But let me aks a few questions seriously.

1. Are you a member of a local assembly?
2. Have you submitted yourself to the authority of a local pastor?
3. Have you presented your gift to a pastor for confirmation?
4. Do you attend faithfully worship services with other saints under a pastor/teacher?