Image Of The Beast

[user]

Revelation 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
[15] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

In a book called, 'The Thunder of Justice' written by Ted and Maureen Flynn, with the foreword written by prominent Vatican insider, the late Malachi Martin, Mary predicts profound changes on the world scene imminently.

"Our Lady" is quoted as saying prophetically (in the very opening chapter), "A chastisement worse than the flood is about to come upon this poor and perverted humanity. FIRE will descend from Heaven and this will be a sign that the justice of God has as of now fixed the hour of His great manifestation."

These words of "Mary" recall Revelation 13:13-14, which refers to the "False Prophet" of the apocalypse: "and he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh FIRE come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast..."

By now, the apparitions of the Virgin are almost countless. They spread from Medjugorje, Yugoslavia, to Lourdes, France; from Fatima, Portugal to the Hill of Tepeyac, Guadalupe, Mexico; including Mbuye, Uganda; Zaragoza, Spain; the Esquiline Hill in Rome, Italy; Walsingham, England; Cambridge, England; Prouille, France; Saint-Étienne-le-Laus and Paris, France; La Salette, Pontmain, Beauraing, Banneux, and even Lubbock, Texas!

The Image Of The Beast will be like these. I'm not saying the image will be Mary, but we are seeing the forerunner.

 

[quietthinker]

Revelation 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
[15] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

In a book called, 'The Thunder of Justice' written by Ted and Maureen Flynn, with the foreword written by prominent Vatican insider, the late Malachi Martin, Mary predicts profound changes on the world scene imminently.

"Our Lady" is quoted as saying prophetically (in the very opening chapter), "A chastisement worse than the flood is about to come upon this poor and perverted humanity. FIRE will descend from Heaven and this will be a sign that the justice of God has as of now fixed the hour of His great manifestation."

These words of "Mary" recall Revelation 13:13-14, which refers to the "False Prophet" of the apocalypse: "and he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh FIRE come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast..."

By now, the apparitions of the Virgin are almost countless. They spread from Medjugorje, Yugoslavia, to Lourdes, France; from Fatima, Portugal to the Hill of Tepeyac, Guadalupe, Mexico; including Mbuye, Uganda; Zaragoza, Spain; the Esquiline Hill in Rome, Italy; Walsingham, England; Cambridge, England; Prouille, France; Saint-Étienne-le-Laus and Paris, France; La Salette, Pontmain, Beauraing, Banneux, and even Lubbock, Texas!

The Image Of The Beast will be like these. I'm not saying the image will be Mary, but we are seeing the forerunner.

'leave them' said Jesus 'they are blind guides'!

 

[GISMYS_7]

Have faith in God's inspired eternal living word.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Revelation 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
[15] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

In a book called, 'The Thunder of Justice' written by Ted and Maureen Flynn, with the foreword written by prominent Vatican insider, the late Malachi Martin, Mary predicts profound changes on the world scene imminently.

"Our Lady" is quoted as saying prophetically (in the very opening chapter), "A chastisement worse than the flood is about to come upon this poor and perverted humanity. FIRE will descend from Heaven and this will be a sign that the justice of God has as of now fixed the hour of His great manifestation."

These words of "Mary" recall Revelation 13:13-14, which refers to the "False Prophet" of the apocalypse: "and he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh FIRE come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast..."

By now, the apparitions of the Virgin are almost countless. They spread from Medjugorje, Yugoslavia, to Lourdes, France; from Fatima, Portugal to the Hill of Tepeyac, Guadalupe, Mexico; including Mbuye, Uganda; Zaragoza, Spain; the Esquiline Hill in Rome, Italy; Walsingham, England; Cambridge, England; Prouille, France; Saint-Étienne-le-Laus and Paris, France; La Salette, Pontmain, Beauraing, Banneux, and even Lubbock, Texas!

The Image Of The Beast will be like these. I'm not saying the image will be Mary, but we are seeing the forerunner.

The scriptures show us that God consistently views beasts as political governments. So its reasonable to understand that the seven headed wild beast that has ten horns and ten diadems that rises out of sea smybolizes all political governments. (Revelation 13:1-4) In vision John sees a two-horned beast ascending out of the earth, speaking like a dragon and telling those who dwell on the earth "to make an image to the seven- headed wild beast. So this image of the seven-headed wild beast is an agency reflecting the characteristics and will of the globe-dominating political system represented by the seven-headed wild beast. What is this agency that represents this seven headed wild beast? First it was, the League of nations, today it's the, united nations.
Revelation 13:14,15 is telling us that this two horned beast deceives those dwelling on the earth by means of the miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast [seven-headed]; telling them to make an image to the beast [seven headed]. As I said this image is known as the united Nations today. This two horned beast that told those dwelling on the earth to make this image is a world power, the Anglo American world power.[England and United States] when this image was first brought into existence it had England taking the lead. When world war 2 began the league of nations went into the dust but when that war ended the image was brought back by the United States who is taking the lead now and it was named the United Nations. So this image of the beast is the United Nations.

 

[user]

The scriptures show us that God consistently views beasts as political governments. So its reasonable to understand that the seven headed wild beast that has ten horns and ten diadems that rises out of sea smybolizes all political governments. (Revelation 13:1-4) In vision John sees a two-horned beast ascending out of the earth, speaking like a dragon and telling those who dwell on the earth "to make an image to the seven- headed wild beast. So this image of the seven-headed wild beast is an agency reflecting the characteristics and will of the globe-dominating political system represented by the seven-headed wild beast. What is this agency that represents this seven headed wild beast? First it was, the League of nations, today it's the, united nations.
Revelation 13:14,15 is telling us that this two horned beast deceives those dwelling on the earth by means of the miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast [seven-headed]; telling them to make an image to the beast [seven headed]. As I said this image is known as the united Nations today. This two horned beast that told those dwelling on the earth to make this image is a world power, the Anglo American world power.[England and United States] when this image was first brought into existence it had England taking the lead. When world war 2 began the league of nations went into the dust but when that war ended the image was brought back by the United States who is taking the lead now and it was named the United Nations. So this image of the beast is the United Nations.

The first beast in Revelation 13 is a seven-headed, ten-horned government based in Europe.
The seven heads listed in Revelation 13 are the same seven heads on the four beasts in Daniel's prophecies in Daniel 7.

One head of a LION - Britain
One head of a BEAR - Russia
Four heads of a LEOPARD - European Union
One head of DREADFUL BEAST - United Nations

 

[Cassandra]

The first beast in Revelation 13 is a seven-headed, ten-horned government based in Europe.
The seven heads listed in Revelation 13 are the same seven heads on the four beasts in Daniel's prophecies in Daniel 7.

One head of a LION - Britain
One head of a BEAR - Russia
Four heads of a LEOPARD - European Union
One head of DREADFUL BEAST - United Nations

But the beasts in Daniel's vision were:
Lion Babylon
Bear Medo Persia
Leopard Greece
Dreadful Beast : Rome

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

The first beast in Revelation 13 is a seven-headed, ten-horned government based in Europe.
The seven heads listed in Revelation 13 are the same seven heads on the four beasts in Daniel's prophecies in Daniel 7.

One head of a LION - Britain
One head of a BEAR - Russia
Four heads of a LEOPARD - European Union
One head of DREADFUL BEAST - United Nations

The first beast is the seven headed wild beast with ten horns and ten diadems but it's not based in Europe. This first beast symbolizes all political powers that have dominated mankind throughout history. The seven heads symbolize seven world powers that had significant dealings with Gods people.
It's true that the heads listed Revelation 13 are the same heads on the four beasts in Daniel's prophecies in Daniel 7. Yet, here in Revelation, the characteristics of those beasts in Daniel 7 are combined into one beast, not separate beasts. This seven headed wild beast doesn't represent just one government or one empire. It's spoken of as ruling over every tribe and people and tongue and nation. So this seven headed wild beast is greater than any single national government. This beast represents all political powers that have dominated mankind down through history. The seven heads represent seven kings : Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, Anglo-American world power.[United Kingdom and United Sates]

Bible expositors commonly link Daniel’s dream-vision of four beasts with Nebuchadnezzar’s dream of an immense image, in Daniel 2. So Chapter 7 of Daniel parallels chapter 2.” The four world powers represented by the four metals of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream were the Babylonian Empire (gold head), Medo-Persia (silver breasts and arms), Greece (copper belly and thighs), and the Roman Empire (iron legs). (Daniel 2:32, 33)
This means Babylon is the lion, Medo-Persia is the bear, Greece is the leopard, Rome is the dreadful beast.
So I disagree that the Lion is Britain, that the bear is Russia, that the leopard is the European union, and that the United Nations is the dreadful beast. These nations and organizations were not in existence yet. John is specifically told when he was inspired to write Revelation that five of the kingdoms(heads of the wild beast) had passed away, they were Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, there was one still in existence in Johns Day, which was Rome and there was another to be in the future.

 

[user]

The first beast is the seven headed wild beast with ten horns and ten diadems but it's not based in Europe. This first beast symbolizes all political powers that have dominated mankind throughout history. The seven heads symbolize seven world powers that had significant dealings with Gods people.
It's true that the heads listed Revelation 13 are the same heads on the four beasts in Daniel's prophecies in Daniel 7. Yet, here in Revelation, the characteristics of those beasts in Daniel 7 are combined into one beast, not separate beasts. This seven headed wild beast doesn't represent just one government or one empire. It's spoken of as ruling over every tribe and people and tongue and nation. So this seven headed wild beast is greater than any single national government. This beast represents all political powers that have dominated mankind down through history. The seven heads represent seven kings : Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, Anglo-American world power.[United Kingdom and United Sates]

Bible expositors commonly link Daniel’s dream-vision of four beasts with Nebuchadnezzar’s dream of an immense image, in Daniel 2. So Chapter 7 of Daniel parallels chapter 2.” The four world powers represented by the four metals of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream were the Babylonian Empire (gold head), Medo-Persia (silver breasts and arms), Greece (copper belly and thighs), and the Roman Empire (iron legs). (Daniel 2:32, 33)
This means Babylon is the lion, Medo-Persia is the bear, Greece is the leopard, Rome is the dreadful beast.
So I disagree that the Lion is Britain, that the bear is Russia, that the leopard is the European union, and that the United Nations is the dreadful beast. These nations and organizations were not in existence yet. John is specifically told when he was inspired to write Revelation that five of the kingdoms(heads of the wild beast) had passed away, they were Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, there was one still in existence in Johns Day, which was Rome and there was another to be in the future.

Daniel saw a lion. The symbol of Great Britain. The lion had eagle’s wings which were plucked.

Daniel 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

Today, the most powerful nation on earth is symbolized by an eagle: the United States (we came from Britain).

The eagle’s wings are mentioned in Revelation 12:14 "And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent."

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Daniel saw a lion. The symbol of Great Britain. The lion had eagle’s wings which were plucked.

Daniel 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

Today, the most powerful nation on earth is symbolized by an eagle: the United States (we came from Britain).

The eagle’s wings are mentioned in Revelation 12:14 "And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent."

Bible expositors commonly link Daniel’s dream-vision of four beasts with Nebuchadnezzar’s dream of an immense image, in Daniel 2. So Chapter 7 of Daniel parallels Daniel chapter 2.” The four world powers represented by the four metals of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream were the Babylonian Empire (gold head/lion), Medo-Persia (silver breasts and arms/Bear), Greece (copper belly and thighs/Leopard), and the Roman Empire (iron legs/fearsome beast). (Daniel 2:32, 33) So the lion is Babylon, not Great Britain.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The scriptures show us that God consistently views beasts as political governments. So its reasonable to understand that the seven headed wild beast that has ten horns and ten diadems that rises out of sea smybolizes all political governments. (Revelation 13:1-4) In vision John sees a two-horned beast ascending out of the earth, speaking like a dragon and telling those who dwell on the earth "to make an image to the seven- headed wild beast. So this image of the seven-headed wild beast is an agency reflecting the characteristics and will of the globe-dominating political system represented by the seven-headed wild beast. What is this agency that represents this seven headed wild beast? First it was, the League of nations, today it's the, united nations.
Revelation 13:14,15 is telling us that this two horned beast deceives those dwelling on the earth by means of the miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast [seven-headed]; telling them to make an image to the beast [seven headed]. As I said this image is known as the united Nations today. This two horned beast that told those dwelling on the earth to make this image is a world power, the Anglo American world power.[England and United States] when this image was first brought into existence it had England taking the lead. When world war 2 began the league of nations went into the dust but when that war ended the image was brought back by the United States who is taking the lead now and it was named the United Nations. So this image of the beast is the United Nations.

So what is the mark of the beast that the world governments have been forcing upon people to place on their forehead or right hand?

When did the angel fly around the world warning everyone to not take the mark?

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

So what is the mark of the beast that the world governments have been forcing upon people to place on their forehead or right hand?

When did the angel fly around the world warning everyone to not take the mark?

Those who are searching for the mark of the beast are looking for a literal mark such as a tattoo or computer chip, and don't choose to see how God views things. The scriptures say that people receive the mark of the wild beast because they follow it with admiration to the point of worshipping it.(Revelation 13:3,4; 16:2) They do this by giving worshipful honor to their country, its symbols, or it's military might. The Encyclopedia of Religion states: Nationalism has become a dominant form of religion in the modern world.

How is the mark of the beast placed on someone’s right hand or forehead? (Revelation 13:16) Regarding his commands to the nation of Israel, God said: “Bind them as a reminder on your hand, and they should be like a headband on your forehead.” (Deuteronomy 11:18) This meant, not that the Israelites were to mark their literal hands and foreheads, but that God’s words would guide all their actions and thoughts. Likewise, rather than being something literal such as a 666 tattoo, the mark of the beast symbolically identifies those who let the political system rule their lives. Those with the mark of the beast place themselves in opposition to God. Revelation 14:9, 10; 19:19-21.
The Israelites had to keep that Law constantly before them, so that it influenced all their actions and thoughts. The 144,000 anointed ones are said to have the Father’s name and that of Jesus written on their foreheads. This identifies them as belonging to Jehovah God and Jesus Christ. (Revelation 14:1)
In imitation, Satan uses the demonic mark of the wild beast. Anybody engaged in everyday activities such as buying and selling is pressured to do things the way the wild beast does, as, for example, in celebrating holidays. They are expected to worship the wild beast, letting it rule their lives, so as to receive its mark.
Those who refuse to accept the mark of the wild beast have had constant problems. Starting in the 1930’s, for example, they had to fight many court battles and endure violent mobbings and other persecutions. In the totalitarian countries, they were thrown into concentration camps, where many died. Since the second world war, countless young men have suffered lengthy imprisonments, some even being tortured and killed, because of their refusal to compromise their Christian neutrality. In other lands Christians are literally unable to buy or sell; some are unable to own property; others are raped, murdered, or chased from their native land. Why? Because in good conscience they refuse to buy a political party card. John 17:16.
In some areas of the earth, religion is so ingrained in community life that anyone who stands for Bible truth is ostracized by family and former friends. It takes great faith to endure. (Matthew 10:36-38; 17:22) In a world where the majority worship material wealth and where dishonesty is rampant, the true Christian often has to trust implicitly in Jehovah that He will uphold him in pursuing an upright course. (Psalm 11:7; Hebrews 13:18) In a world awash with immorality, it takes great determination to remain clean and pure. Christians who fall sick are often pressured by doctors and nurses to break God’s law on the sanctity of blood; they even have to resist court orders that conflict with their faith. (Acts 15:28, 29; 1 Peter 4:3, 4) And in these days of rising unemployment, it is becoming increasingly difficult for a true Christian to avoid work that would mean compromising his integrity before God. Micah 4:3, 5.
The scriptures tell us being friends to this wicked world we live in makes you an enemy to the True God. We have to keep Gods Law constantly before us, so that it influences all our actions and thoughts. Becoming friends to this wicked world we live in, that has Satan as it's ruler means you're letting Satan influence all your actions and thoughts. That's the mark of the beast.

 

[Cassandra]

So what is the mark of the beast that the world governments have been forcing upon people to place on their forehead or right hand?

When did the angel fly around the world warning everyone to not take the mark?

I don't know about what the world governments are forcing, but I find this interesting:

Deut 6:5-8And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. 6These words I am commanding you today are to be upon your hearts. 7And you shall teach them diligently to your children and speak of them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. . 8Tie them as reminders on your hands and bind them on your foreheads.

So God's words are to be written in our foreheads (minds) and on our hands (what we do)

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Those who are searching for the mark of the beast are looking for a literal mark such as a tattoo or computer chip, and don't choose to see how God views things. The scriptures say that people receive the mark of the wild beast because they follow it with admiration to the point of worshipping it.(Revelation 13:3,4; 16:2) They do this by giving worshipful honor to their country, its symbols, or it's military might. The Encyclopedia of Religion states: Nationalism has become a dominant form of religion in the modern world.

Lie # 1 It is not how god views things- But how the Watchtower tries to force God to view things. but the Bible declares this a "charagma" an actual mark, stamp, imprint or carving! And this comes after the world worships teh beast who died and was resurrected

How is the mark of the beast placed on someone’s right hand or forehead? (Revelation 13:16) Regarding his commands to the nation of Israel, God said: “Bind them as a reminder on your hand, and they should be like a headband on your forehead.” (Deuteronomy 11:18) This meant, not that the Israelites were to mark their literal hands and foreheads, but that God’s words would guide all their actions and thoughts. Likewise, rather than being something literal such as a 666 tattoo, the mark of the beast symbolically identifies those who let the political system rule their lives. Those with the mark of the beast place themselves in opposition to God. Revelation 14:9, 10; 19:19-21.

Ever hear of a phylactery? But even if this is symbolic, it was as a sign! In REv. it is a stamp or imprint that people have to recieve.

In imitation, Satan uses the demonic mark of the wild beast. Anybody engaged in everyday activities such as buying and selling is pressured to do things the way the wild beast does, as, for example, in celebrating holidays. They are expected to worship the wild beast, letting it rule their lives, so as to receive its mark.

Wow! what makes me sad is thast you guy this horse manure hook, line and sinker! If we woeshipped eros on valnetines day- I would agree with you . If we worshipped Saturn or Bacchus in Dec. and January, I would agree with you! But nearly all or over 99.9999% don't so this is just a lying ploy to indoctrinate people.

Those who refuse to accept the mark of the wild beast have had constant problems. Starting in the 1930’s, for example, they had to fight many court battles and endure violent mobbings and other persecutions. In the totalitarian countries, they were thrown into concentration camps, where many died. Since the second world war, countless young men have suffered lengthy imprisonments, some even being tortured and killed, because of their refusal to compromise their Christian neutrality. In other lands Christians are literally unable to buy or sell; some are unable to own property; others are raped, murdered, or chased from their native land. Why? Because in good conscience they refuse to buy a political party card. John 17:16.

Yep, True Christians have been doing that along with the pseudo Watchtower false believers. matter of fact Jews and gypsies were also.

In some areas of the earth, religion is so ingrained in community life that anyone who stands for Bible truth is ostracized by family and former friends. It takes great faith to endure. (Matthew 10:36-38; 17:22) In a world where the majority worship material wealth and where dishonesty is rampant, the true Christian often has to trust implicitly in Jehovah that He will uphold him in pursuing an upright course. (Psalm 11:7; Hebrews 13:18) In a world awash with immorality, it takes great determination to remain clean and pure. Christians who fall sick are often pressured by doctors and nurses to break God’s law on the sanctity of blood; they even have to resist court orders that conflict with their faith. (Acts 15:28, 29; 1 Peter 4:3, 4) And in these days of rising unemployment, it is becoming increasingly difficult for a true Christian to avoid work that would mean compromising his integrity before God. Micah 4:3, 5.

On this we can agree! bible believing Christians (those who accept the physical resurrection of Jesus from the dead) have been ostracized and killed for though while we live in the world we do not worship as the world does. Yes it does take great effort to remain pure, but purity and good deeds do not save a soul. Like Paul I attest this of many Watchtower indocrinates:

Romans 10
King James Version

10 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for JEHOVAHS WITNESSES is, that they might be saved.

2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.





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[Ronald Nolette]

I don't know about what the world governments are forcing, but I find this interesting:

Deut 6:5-8And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. 6These words I am commanding you today are to be upon your hearts. 7And you shall teach them diligently to your children and speak of them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. . 8Tie them as reminders on your hands and bind them on your foreheads.

So God's words are to be written in our foreheads (minds) and on our hands (what we do)

Yes they are. but teh mark of teh beast is a visible sign that one has submitted to th ebeast as Savior and Lord! Throughout history false religions have always used visible marks to imitate gods invisible marks.

 

[Desire Of All Nations]

Yes they are. but teh mark of teh beast is a visible sign that one has submitted to th ebeast as Savior and Lord! Throughout history false religions have always used visible marks to imitate gods invisible marks.

The Bible mentions nothing about the beast's mark being physical. What it does say is that:

(1) the false prophet is the one who will convince people to take this mark
(2) the people who reject this mark will be keeping God's commandments
(3) this mark was tied into the religion of the old Roman empire

By a simple process of elimination, a person can perceive that it is not anything fanciful like a tattoo, barcode, microchip, or vaccine mandate. It is a religious tradition that exists in opposition to God's commandments.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The Bible mentions nothing about the beast's mark being physical. What it does say is that:

(1) the false prophet is the one who will convince people to take this mark
(2) the people who reject this mark will be keeping God's commandments
(3) this mark was tied into the religion of the old Roman empire

By a simple process of elimination, a person can perceive that it is not anything fanciful like a tattoo, barcode, microchip, or vaccine mandate. It is a religious tradition that exists in opposition to God's commandments.

Wrong! God is smart enough to say it is religion apart from God. but He specifically inspired the word "charagma" which is some form of a physical mark! Many false religions have used a physical mark in imitation of the invisible seal of God. Satan and his demons cannot see invisible marks, like god can see the seal of the Spirit, so he relies on physical marks.

 

[Timtofly]

Revelation 13 does not say Satan nor the FP forces the mark by giving people the mark.

"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:"

The forcing is by not allowing them to participate in the economy. The receiving of the mark is from God. God ties the mark directly to those who are no longer found written in the Lamb's book of life. Revelation 13:8 already defines those people:

"And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him (Satan), whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

Since no one can verify who is not in the Lamb's book of life, God seals those with a mark to indicate they are no longer in the Lamb's book of life. Receiving that mark is an indication of one's eternal standing as being condemned in their own sins, and not covered by the Cross.

This is also emphasized by whom Satan is allowed to kill:

"and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed."

Satan was allowed to kill those who did not worship the image. It does not say Satan could kill those without the mark. Satan was only allowed to prevent those who did not have the mark to participate in world economics.

The emphasis is not on either or. In fact verse 8 seems to indicate all on earth worship Satan, even the church allegedly left on earth by many in error. All does mean all, no exceptions period, but many claim only a symbolical "all". The only point of this 42 months is not about Satan at all. It is the point if some change their minds and stop worshipping Satan, they then make the choice to accept God. They would have to remove their head in an act of faith to avoid having their name removed from the Lamb's book of life, and to avoid receiving the mark.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Lie # 1 It is not how god views things- But how the Watchtower tries to force God to view things. but the Bible declares this a "charagma" an actual mark, stamp, imprint or carving! And this comes after the world worships teh beast who died and was resurrected[/QUOTE\]

The resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous doesn't happened until after Armageddon.The ones who are destroyed at Armageddon are the ones who are destroyed because they worshiped the beast and receive its mark. None of these have been resurrected from death.
You want to believe the mark is literal that's your choice. I disagree, the mark of the beast is happening right now and the world doesn't realize it.



Ronald Nope the said:
Ever hear of a phylactery? But even if this is symbolic, it was as a sign! In REv. it is a stamp or imprint that people have to recieve./[QUOTE\]

Jesus criticized his religious opponents, the scribes and Pharisees, because they broadened “the scripture-containing cases that they wore as safeguards.” (Matthew 23:2, 5) Adherents of those religious groups bound small, black, square- or rectangular-shaped leather boxes to their forehead. They also bound them to the inner side of the upper arm, close to their heart. Inside the boxes were passages of Scripture. The practice of wearing such scripture-containing cases, known as phylacteries, had its origin in a literal interpretation of God’s direction to the Israelites, which says: “These words that I am commanding you today must prove to be on your heart . . . And you must tie them as a sign upon your hand” and “as a frontlet band between your eyes.” (Deuteronomy 6:6-8) Exactly when the custom of wearing phylacteries was introduced is unknown, but most scholars date it to the third or the second century B.C.E.

Jesus criticized this practice for two reasons. First, the scribes and Pharisees enlarged their phylacteries in order to impress upon others how pious they were. Second, these groups wrongly considered their scripture-containing cases to be charms, or amulets, that would protect them. The Greek word for these cases, phylakterion, as used in non-Biblical literature is rendered “outpost,” “fortification,” or “means of protection.”


Ronald Nope the said:
Wow! what makes me sad is thast you guy this horse manure hook, line and sinker! If we woeshipped eros on valnetines day- I would agree with you . If we worshipped Saturn or Bacchus in Dec. and January, I would agree with you! But nearly all or over 99.9999% don't so this is just a lying ploy to indoctrinate people.[/QUOTE\]

When it comes to these days you're talking about, valentines day, new years day, Christmas day, Easter, etc there's no place in Scripture where we are commanded to observe these days. But many people in the world think Jehovah's Witnesses are practicing some horrible sin for not observing them. That shows how many people in the world think we should obey commands of men. Plus days such as Easter, Christmas, and New years have been proven to have their roots in false religious practices.





Ronald Nolette said:
Yes it does take great effort to remain pure, but purity and good deeds do not save a soul. Like Paul I attest this of many Watchtower indocrinates:

Romans 10
King James Version

10 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for JEHOVAHS WITNESSES is, that they might be saved.

2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.[/QUOTE\]

We are to keep ourselves clean. We can't be practicing sin, we can't agree with the attitudes and behaviour of this wicked world we live in. We are to put great effort to keep ourselves from being a friend to this wicked world we live in which is ruled by Satan. Sexual immorality, the demonic super natural, violence, etc have been on the rise and will continue til Armageddon. We have to keep our hearts pure since Jesus Christ stressed the need to keep our hearts pure. If you don't have good deeds with faith then your faith is dead. You must have true faith, its absolutely necessary for salvation. I agree with Scripture that lets us know that no one from Adam offspring could save us. One had to come in the likeness of the first Adam(no sin in the flesh, without spot or blemish) and maintain that State until death. This is the sacrifice that opens salvation to mankind nothing else. We can't earn salvation. That doesn't mean we ignore scripture that tells us to abstain from fornication, idols, violence, stealing etc.
Romans 10:1-4 we apply to christendom.





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[Ronald Nolette]

Barney writes:

"When it comes to these days you're talking about, valentines day, new years day, Christmas day, Easter, etc there's no place in Scripture where we are commanded to observe these days. But many people in the world think Jehovah's Witnesses are practicing some horrible sin for not observing them. That shows how many people in the world think we should obey commands of men. Plus days such as Easter, Christmas, and New years have been proven to have their roots in false religious practices."

And there is no place in SCripture that says we are forbidden to observe them! that means it is for each believer to decide for themselves as Romans 14 clearly shows.

Barney writes:

"We are to keep ourselves clean. We can't be practicing sin, we can't agree with the attitudes and behaviour of this wicked world we live in. We are to put great effort to keep ourselves from being a friend to this wicked world we live in which is ruled by Satan. Sexual immorality, the demonic super natural, violence, etc have been on the rise and will continue til Armageddon. We have to keep our hearts pure since Jesus Christ stressed the need to keep our hearts pure. If you don't have good deeds with faith then your faith is dead. You must have true faith, its absolutely necessary for salvation. I agree with Scripture that lets us know that no one from Adam offspring could save us. One had to come in the likeness of the first Adam(no sin in the flesh, without spot or blemish) and maintain that State until death. This is the sacrifice that opens salvation to mankind nothing else. We can't earn salvation. That doesn't mean we ignore scripture that tells us to abstain from fornication, idols, violence, stealing etc.
Romans 10:1-4 we apply to christendom."

Yes we are to strive to grow in grace and knowledge which will cause us to grow in purity. but good deeds and refraining from bad deeds do not save us or keep us saved. It is th eblood of Jesus alone and trust in His physical resurrection that saves us!

Barney writes:

"Jesus criticized his religious opponents, the scribes and Pharisees, because they broadened “the scripture-containing cases that they wore as safeguards.” (Matthew 23:2, 5) Adherents of those religious groups bound small, black, square- or rectangular-shaped leather boxes to their forehead. They also bound them to the inner side of the upper arm, close to their heart. Inside the boxes were passages of Scripture. The practice of wearing such scripture-containing cases, known as phylacteries, had its origin in a literal interpretation of God’s direction to the Israelites, which says: “These words that I am commanding you today must prove to be on your heart . . . And you must tie them as a sign upon your hand” and “as a frontlet band between your eyes.” (Deuteronomy 6:6-8) Exactly when the custom of wearing phylacteries was introduced is unknown, but most scholars date it to the third or the second century B.C.E.

Jesus criticized this practice for two reasons. First, the scribes and Pharisees enlarged their phylacteries in order to impress upon others how pious they were. Second, these groups wrongly considered their scripture-containing cases to be charms, or amulets, that would protect them. The Greek word for these cases, phylakterion, as used in non-Biblical literature is rendered “outpost,” “fortification,” or “means of protection.”"

Jesus condemend how they used the phylacteries, not th euse of them ! YOu asre trying to make the pride of people to condemn a practrice that jesus never condemned. It was the attitudes you said that jesus condemned and not the wearing of phylacteries themselves. Do not conflate the two- that is error.

And it was not just to have them in your heart which is foremost, but also God commanded them to be worn and placed on the door posts. Do not neglect the rest of the context to try to prove an error.

4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

The scriptures show us that God consistently views beasts as political governments. So its reasonable to understand that the seven headed wild beast that has ten horns and ten diadems that rises out of sea smybolizes all political governments

Not quite, it symbolizes the Governments in one concentrated section of the Mediterranean Sea Region, thus the 7 heads represent the 7 powers that ruled over Israel whilst she was a nation in the land or becoming a nation who was promised the land. Namely Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome.......AND the coming Anti-Christ who never passes his kingdom on so the Beast in Dan. 7 who all arose as kings and later became Gov. Beast are different in that this last Beast is the ONLY Beast himself. So, the 7 Heads = those 7 entities AND the 10 horns represent all (10 = Completion) Europe as we see it now, about 25-30 nations give or take. Its not the whole world, this is why the prophecy stated that Nebuchadnezzar ruled over all men in the land and why it stated that Alexander the Great ruled the whole earth (earth meaning LAND being spoken of as in the Mediterranean Sea Region).

In vision John sees a two-horned beast ascending out of the earth, speaking like a dragon and telling those who dwell on the earth "to make an image to the seven- headed wild beast. So this image of the seven-headed wild beast is an agency reflecting the characteristics and will of the globe-dominating political system represented by the seven-headed wild beast. What is this agency that represents this seven headed wild beast? First it was, the League of nations, today it's the, united nations.

You are erroneously extrapolating this to the whole globe, 1/3 of the world will at this time be on fire, so its just about the Mediterranean Sea Region as per this last Beast. We were taught all of this stuff in error, men projecting their understandings onto us. The Image is not of a 7 Headed Beast (that is God speak for a 3000 year metaphor that never truly existed at one time, its a bunch of nations as God sees them) The IMAGE will be of a man (E.U. President/King/Leader).

Revelation 13:14,15 is telling us that this two horned beast deceives those dwelling on the earth by means of the miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast [seven-headed]; telling them to make an image to the beast [seven headed].

He is simply an evil Jewish High Priest that throws in with the Anti-Christ just like Jason (real name Yeshua) threw in with Antiochus 2200 years or so ago. Thus Satan gives him broad and wicked evil powers.

As I said this image is known as the united Nations today. This two horned beast that told those dwelling on the earth to make this image is a world power, the Anglo American world power.[England and United States] when this image was first brought into existence it had England taking the lead. When world war 2 began the league of nations went into the dust but when that war ended the image was brought back by the United States who is taking the lead now and it was named the United Nations. So this image of the beast is the United Nations.

The U.N. has nothing to do with these 7 Heads brother. That's just people guessing.