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Discussion in 'Bible Study Forum' started by soul man, Nov 4, 2019.

  1. marks

    marks Well-Known Member

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    He wasn't speaking to a novice. Anyone can see that.

    And even so, why include that? Just pull that out of the hat! "Oh, you're just being silly, you don't know better!" What place has that? Answer the issue, and don't make it about the person. That's what people do who don't have better. What Episkopos would call "top down talking", which he criticizes in others. "Ahh! The mistake of a novice!"

    I think Episkopos can be better than that.

    So I call it out. In the hopes that people will recognize what they are doing and stop. But then, this one doesn't stop in that sort of behavior. Ever wonder why?

    And I don't hate Episkopos. Actually, I feel sad for him, and afraid for him. But I trust in God to do the thing that is good. I doubt whether you'll receive that either.

    But I don't write to him that way, or about him that way. I don't think that way. He does. Ask yourself why.

    Much love!
     
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    stunnedbygrace Well-Known Member

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    Well, it IS a mistake of a novice to think being in the Spirit at all times is the same as having the Spirit in you and being led by the Spirit.

    Even John says: I was in the Spirit. Why would he even need to relay that if he was ALWAYS in the Spirit and all believers are always in the Spirit?
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    What soul man wrote that Episkopos was responding to was . . .

    "everything Paul writes is based on being in Christ or Christ in you same thing."

    He stated the equivalence of being in Christ with Christ being in you.

    In 2 Corinthians 5, God tells us that if any be in Christ, they are a new creation. Ephesians 1 teaches that it is "in Christ" that we receive every spiritual blessing. Romans 6 teaches us that our death and resurrection occur with our being immersed into Christ, into His death and burial.

    Romans 8 teaches that if Christ is not in us, we are not His. I could go one, but simply to say, if you are not in Christ, you are not a new creature, not raised with Him, not died with Him, not born again, still dead in sins.

    And if Christ is not in you, you are none of His. You have no hope of glory. Christ in you IS your hope of glory.

    If you are in Christ, then Christ is also in you.

    To disagree with this is one thing. Say the reasons why you disagree. To make the declaration, "the mistake of a novice" is something else. And it does not address the point. It does not answer a question. The only thing is does is try to make the other person look bad. That's just not appropriate or useful in my estimation.

    Much love!
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    Reviewing all the places the phrase "in the spirit" is used . . . good study!
     
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    stunnedbygrace Well-Known Member

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    He wasn't trying to make soulman look bad. It isn't some hideous thing to be a novice. But if someone doesn't understand, would you have those who have more understanding to just be silent?
     
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    You seem young but your hearts in the right place. Praying you'll be teachable and open to understanding the glorious riches of the gospel.
     
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    And marks, not even soulman himself thinks epi is derogatory or rude, judging by the fact that he actually hit like on epi's post.
     
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    If a man's eye is dark...everything appears dark.
     
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    There's been a lot of catching up to Paul's teaching in the past few decades, but even so, yes, I agree with you, in Paul's letters we learn exactly how it is that we function, mentally, emotionally, behaviorally, and spiritually. And if we learn what God teaches, we learn how it is we live.

    Again, I agree, this is the whole of the matter once someone has been born again.


    Once we realize this, we can just live who we are. The renewing of the mind comes in the realization that all things are now new, including my new mind.

    We are either living the mind of the flesh, or living the mind of Christ. We've been made new, now we need to understand that being new is just that, we are in fact new, and can be new.

    We absolutely need to stay focused on trusting God while He sanctifies us, because Christ is in you, therefore, He will bring you to glory.

    In the spirit, we are new. In the mind, we are not always new. But the spirit remains new. Now we need to train the mind to live the spirit life.

    Much love!
     
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    And if the light in him is darkness . . . how Great is that darkness!
     
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    You have said it.
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    No, it's not some hideous thing to be a novice, and I've not said that it was.

    But then, being a novice yourself in English, then one can overlook such mistakes.

    I wrote that solely for effect. That's not what I think, that you are a novice in the language. But do you see how it has no place in this discussion, unless you actually were a novice, instead of one who is rather expressing a different view?

    Anyway, let the man answer for himself. He will regardless, though not to me.

    Much love!
     
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    Lol...
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    Jesus said it. All should pay attention.

    Consider the context. It's about giving, and generosity, and how we look at each other based on what we want to give of ourselves to others.

    When we want to give, to sacrifice ourselves for others, we enoble others. But when we want to hold tightly, not give anything away, we vilify others, called the "evil eye",

    Deuteronomy 15:9 "Beware that there be not a thought in thy wicked heart, saying, The seventh year, the year of release, is at hand; and thine eye be evil against thy poor brother, and thou givest him nought; and he cry unto the Lord against thee, and it be sin unto thee."

    Matthew 6
    21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
    22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
    23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
    24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

    If you (general 'you', I don't mean you personally) don't want to give to others, you make them hateful in your eyes. But it's not that the other person is different, rather, your eye has become evil, you see them as unworthy of caring for, but it's you that has the problem, and the way you look at people has become skewed.

    So others can be mistreated without any thought, since you now see them as something less than yourself.

    The person who wants to give of themselves to others shows the true perspective, and sees with a single eye, a single focus. And that person doesn't need to try to pull others down, that's not part of the equation. The single eyes looks at one thing, caring for others.

    The evil eye, to see others as less then, that's the old way, the way of the flesh. The way of the Spirit is to love, to build up one's brother, not try to take them down.

    Much love!
     
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    He never tries to pull other men down. He builds men up in their trust.

    You are the one who constantly tries to hinder and tear down.
     
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    I'll rather let soul man answer whatever he thinks. I know that I've ignored many such comments myself, though others I've commented on.

    Whether or not someone else says the same thing as I do or not is not the true reflection of whether what I write is true or not.

    But no matter. You clearly defend such practice as you have in the past. When people reveal who they are, I try to just believe them.

    Much love!
     
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    I've read too many of his posts to believe that. Anyone who disagrees gets the treatment.

    Don't bother trying to gaslight.
     
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    I believe He already said what he thinks by approving of epi's post.
     
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    You disagree with him on nearly everything. You follow him around trying to pick a fight every day. So what is the treatment you receive for disagreeing? Are you getting "the treatment?" No. He has shaken his feet. He doesn't even respond to you. He leaves you completely alone. So you try to find fault with everything he says and try to align men with you against him.
     
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