Nice Devil thread you've got going here, attacking fellow Christians for their ideas and losing your peace. I don't even know what is going on here, everyone is just mad and insulting eachother.
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Instruction in righteousness
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Does one need a super secret magic scripture decoder ring to see these hidden things that aren't there? Do I get one if I sign up for the fan club?
Blessed are the poor---- in spirit. Poor-in-spirit..... not those who imagine themselves on some higher path. God gives grace to the humble and opposes the proud. It must be an important principle because it gets quoted twice in the new testament. Humble yourselves before the Lord and he will exalt you. You don't have to exalt yourselves as if you can "progress" from one state to another. It's a false doctrine he teaches.
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Those who imagine themselves on some higher path…like, for instance…Im as righteous as Jesus, and that man over there who appears to be good by his many works is not righteous at all. I’m righteous not by anything I do and that other man is not righteous despite much good he does for others. I thank you Lord I’m not like that other man!
Who appears to be rich in that ill statement? Who is saying, I have and you don’t?
Its not false. I have done the berean thing. It’s just not false.
And taking the statement I posted above, who appears to be the one exalting themself and grinding the face of the poor into the dust…?
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Is there a bee in your bonnet? Are you imagining a conspiracy of some sort?
I mistakenly called @stunnedbygrace by your name (Nancy) one time, and apologized for the error. Then I recalled you having called her Jen once or twice, so I used the forum search function, searching for where the member Nancy said "Jen" and that brought up this link, where she referred to herself as Jennie. Does that solve the crime?
Studying the Bible without thinking critically
The supreme irony is that people routinely will tell me that they can't see what I'm talking about. You made me chuckle very heartily! I thought the irony, given your assertions here, was that the thread is titled reading your bible without thinking critically...:D:p
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Hey welcome to the thread. Yeah, speaking about righteousness can get pretty nasty. A devil thread? We're dealing with humanity and the basic tendency of the flesh towards unbelief.
If someone testifies to the higher walk...the cries of "liar, or, imposter"...ring out! Of course we read of the Israelites in the desert who had that same tendency. So then the flesh has not progressed since then.
But somehow the modern teachings seem to have God imputing His righteousness on rebellious flesh? HMMM...Maybe there is lack of understanding about what righteousness is.
What do you think?
Listen.
To all, but particularly to @Episkopos and his pit crew @stunnedbygrace and @Nancy I'm going to bow out of this thread and leave you to pat one another's heads as you please. It just becomes noise at some point, the clanging of cymbals which some might enjoy, but I don't.
I'm always up for a good discussion, but not ready to join what amounts to a mutual admiration society.
Be willing to challenge your thinking, and his. Advice ignored by the People's Temple.
Cheers! (but not that kind of Cheers)
ps..... don't drink from the cup.
To all, but particularly to @Episkopos and his pit crew @stunnedbygrace and @Nancy I'm going to bow out of this thread and leave you to pat one another's heads as you please. It just becomes noise at some point, the clanging of cymbals which some might enjoy, but I don't.
I'm always up for a good discussion, but not ready to join what amounts to a mutual admiration society.
Be willing to challenge your thinking, and his. Advice ignored by the People's Temple.
Cheers! (but not that kind of Cheers)
ps..... don't drink from the cup.
Enough of all this edification business! ;) ...hey...look at that thread over there!
Suppose that if you hit someone, and they hit you back. Did you learn a lesson? Did you WANT to learn that lesson? I suppose you didn't, you just wanted to hit them and not get hit back, yet it happened anyways. So if you suffer for your own sins and thereby learn a hard lesson, that is the fundamental principle for how God's righteousness is taught to unrighteous flesh.Hey welcome to the thread. Yeah, speaking about righteousness can get pretty nasty. A devil thread? We're dealing with humanity and the basic tendency of the flesh towards unbelief.
If someone testifies to the higher walk...the cries of "liar, or, imposter"...ring out! Of course we read of the Israelites in the desert who had that same tendency. So then the flesh has not progressed since then.
But somehow the modern teachings seem to have God imputing His righteousness on rebellious flesh? HMMM...Maybe there is lack of understanding about what righteousness is.
What do you think?
Lol, no bee and no crime :)Is there a bee in your bonnet? Are you imagining a conspiracy of some sort?
I mistakenly called @stunnedbygrace by your name (Nancy) one time, and apologized for the error. Then I recalled you having called her Jen once or twice, so I used the forum search function, searching for where the member Nancy said "Jen" and that brought up this link, where she referred to herself as Jennie. Does that solve the crime?
Studying the Bible without thinking critically
The supreme irony is that people routinely will tell me that they can't see what I'm talking about. You made me chuckle very heartily! I thought the irony, given your assertions here, was that the thread is titled reading your bible without thinking critically...:D:p
mailmandan
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I've been a member of multiple Christian forum sites for over 10 years now and it's not uncommon to walk into a hornets nest in certain threads, especially when you are dealing with "self promoters" who view themselves as "holier than thou" and look down on others. Whenever I do enter a hornets nest, I'm instantly reminded of the parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector in Luke 18:9-14.
And this puts light on my error, that I don't realize this at the appropriate time when that moment has come, that it has become only noise. There is a time to just sit back and let it be enough, and I can miss that!
Two red flags I need to pay closer attention to are, When posts depart from the topic and become "ad hominem", and, when content is being repeated. In either case, there is no addition to the thread topic, and, I don't often see recovery in a thread once these processes begin.
Sometimes, though, a thread will recover! I always like to give opportunity that someone may yet return to a meaningful Scriptural discussion, in the hope that the other things may be put away, put off.
So the ditch I tend to fall into is not bowing out soon enough.
Something I need to keep in mind.
Much love!
It's easy to get carried away. I think that anything that causes one to be angry, it's best to just dust your feet off and walk away from, and if you can manage it, compliment your adversary too, because leaving on a note of respectful disagreement can lead to more fruitful conversations down the line, but escalation just turns everyone hateful and angry.
But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.
mailmandan
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This proverb is so true. Proverbs 15:1 - A soft answer turns away wrath, but grievous words stir up anger.
Boxing analogies aside, do you think God sees us as righteous as He is because we believe Him?
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I've been on Christian forums for, I think, 23 or 24 years. I've moderated on 2, which was why I declined an invitation here. I'd much rather be just one of the bunch. Someone needs to do it, but when you get the idea of what you are really dealing with, well, it's a difficult and thankless and messy job. I have the utmost appreciation for our Mods here!
But anyway, that's not what I wanted to say, rather, views clash, and when you have a handful with this view, and a handful with that view, threads can become hostile and polarized.
And all the more so when the one view intrinsically denounces the other view.
At the heart, some say, you will only know that you are truly saved after you are dead, after you've actually finished your race. Others say, Jesus saves you and you will know it, that salvation being forever. And with this major differences are a host of others, including how to interpret the Bible. One tends to look more at the wording itself, though you will only understand it by the Spirit. The others looks at 'deeper' spiritual meanings not actually represented in the wording itself, more something you come to know as the Spirit reveals these to you. (as always, those for whom I am speaking, correct me if you have a preferred way to explain what I'm describing.)
These two cannot reconcile to each other, both cannot at the same time be true. And how strongly do you believe what you believe? The others believe the same.
Therefore, at least one of these is not of the Spirit, and those who argue for that view will not be speaking out of the Spirit. And that being the case, it will be a fleshy thing.
So now there are people who are asserting an non-Spiritual view, therefore presenting from the flesh, and in particular, a very divisive view. Put that in the oven and bake it, and see what kind of cake you get.
Well, that's the whole point of what Jesus said, by their fruits you shall know them. When we read about the fruit of the Spirit, we're reading a character. A description of our personality, behavior, how we think. Loving, peaceable, joyful, gentle and kind, patient oh so patient, good, self controlled.
Is the fruit of the fleshy one then a character that is not described this way? Unloving, not gentle, impatient, so on? I think so.
By their fruit you shall know them.
Here on a forum (a Christian Internet Forum is a unique thing on the internet) all we have our are words. All we show of ourselves are in our words, how we use them. Considering that I'm sitting here by myself, typing as I wish, I can consider, reconsider, reread and edit all I want before I post. So then, what does my finished product look like? Your? Theirs?
Now, with all that being said, I believe we are all flawed individuals, all in our various levels of maturity and growth. That salvation is in faith in Jesus Christ, not being able to pass a theology test, and therefore if you are trusting Jesus to save you from your sins I count you my brother.
And even in the most difficult disagreements, we should endeavor to peaceably interact with each other, in the Spiritual and loving ways God instructs to. Hey, that's the thread, Instruction in Righteousness. Let it begin right here in this very small circle of people who have taken the Name of the Lord, as it were, Christian.
Righteousness within a group of people should be bearing unity and not division.
I don't think we're at "worst case scenario" like I described above. I think we're a bunch of people each trying to do well, each at our own place of development, and maybe the only thing that really need be said is, only speak those things that are good, that actually build up, and not tear down.
I speak that for myself as much or more as for anyone else.
Another thread asked, what is the most important verse in the Bible. I think in this context,
Ephesians 4:29 KJV
29) Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
But we have to be humble, which means to be very honest with ourselves. If we see ourselves clearly, and are honest about what we see, humility is the inevitable result.
Much love!
Yes, it is easy to get carried away, and some topics more than others. And that's part of the beauty of a forum like this, you can proceed at your own pace. If you need a little time to sit back and collect yourself, you can. It's not like an in person conversation, where if you say something you shouldn't too bad, it's already said. Here, Delete is available anywhere you need it before you click Submit.
And I fully agree with you, always leave the door open to continue. We should never become unloving because of how - we perceive - others.
Much love!
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