Interesting that the Bible is "the Word of God", unless someone quotes a translation you disagree with.
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David in NJ
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This means we are Brothers in Arms!!!
i have two small tears(small but still painful) in my left shoulder when i was T-Boned by a SUV with full direct impact to my Driver Door = at 55mph!
If i were not in a pickup truck and with side air bags i would be dead.
PRAYING
No it's not. The appeal to authority fallacy is an argument that claims a statement is true simply because an authority figure said it, but without providing any other evidence. This is a fallacy because the truth of a claim is independent of the person making it; the authority cited may be biased, unqualified, or wrong. A proper argument is supported by evidence and logic, not just by the testimony of an expert and we find that in the scripture. There is a plethora of archaeological evidence and fulfilled prophecy that substantiates the claim that the Bible is the word of God.
Metaphoric symbols are often used in a figurative manner. It doesn't necessarily mean the object actually exists. Take "wings" for instance. Does God have them?
Ps 17:8 Keep me as the apple of the eye, hide me under the shadow of thy wings,
Does this mean God actually has wings or are we to understand this is a metaphoric symbol for protection?
The KJV is one of the best and has withstood the test of time. The worst translation available in English today is the heretical New World Translation created by a cult with an obvious bias.
David in NJ
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speaking of writing 'style' = did you ever find that scripture that declares "the moon as lucifer/satan" ???
Nope but there is one that calls him the "son of the morning"
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
David in NJ
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Isaiah 14:12
You were like the morning star, but you have fallen from the sky. In the past, all the nations on earth bowed down before you, but now you have been cut down.
David in NJ
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Thank You
The question i posed to the other Brother was in response to a claim made that Lucifer/Satan is represented by the Moon.
Not a single scripture in the entire Bible declares such.
All of Creation declares the Glory of God.
The 'Sun' represents the 'Son' = the BRIGHTEST Light placed above us that gives Life to the Earth and us
The 'Moon' represents the OT Law = the 7 Feasts of Israel are in accordance with the Full Moon beginning with Passover.
The 'Moon' gives 'light' in the darkness and is very beautiful = you can walk thru the woods on a full moon night without the aid of a flashlight.
The 'Moon' is the 'light' that points to The LIGHT, which is CHRIST = thus God's Divine Purpose for the Moon & Israel
SHALOM
Interesting that the Bible is "the Word of God",
unless someone quotes a translation you disagree with.
--- PARODY TIME ---
KJO reader: This is what the Word of God says.
NIV reader: Let's compare the NIV translation.
KJO reader: WHAT! ??? That's a terrible translation!
NIV reader: Are you saying it isn't the "Word of God"?
KJO reader: The NIV left verses out of the Bible!
NIV reader: No, the NIV kept the same verse numbering system
but left out verses that didn't belong there in the first place.
KJO reader: THEY REMOVED VERSES FROM THE BIBLE !!!!
NIV reader: No, that's not what happened.
KJO reader: Yes it is what HAPPENED !!!
NIV reader: Show me one.
KJO reader: Here you go.
NIV reader: My footnote accounts for that.
KJO reader: Accounts for verses removed from the Bible? ???
NIV reader: The footnote says: It does not appear in any New Testament
manuscript prior to the end of the 6th century.
KJO reader: It's NOT the Word of God !!!!
NIV reader: Seriously?
Interesting that the Bible is "the Word of God",
unless someone quotes a translation you disagree with.
Do you do that?
well if you do a bit of research there were homosexuals on this NIV crap. There are other things about it but here is from biblegateway on missing stuff. The KJV is only Bible approved by a king and comes eith a concordance so no one is telling me what something means. I look it up.
[The earliest manuscripts and many other ancient witnesses do not have John 7:53—8:11. A few manuscripts include these verses, wholly or in part, after John 7:36, John 21:25, Luke 21:38 or Luke 24:53.
Plus there is this:
While the KJV occasionally used “Jehovah” (e.g., Exodus 6:3, Psalm 83:18), the NIV avoids it entirely, rendering YHWH as “LORD” or “GOD” in all 7,000+ instances .
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1stCenturyLady
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When you know that the modern versions are all based on the corrupted Alexandrian codices that didn't believe Jesus was God and removed parts of verses or the whole verse, you will want all the Word of God that you can get. I stay with the NKJV. The Gideons who have been producing Bibles for hotel rooms changed to one of the modern versions. I keep some in my car and purse, but I hate how some of my favorite verses read in them, or are no longer there.
To be clear, the NIV left verses out that should never have been there in the first place.
The King doesn't know squat.
amigo de christo
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Satan took a third with him when he fell .
and his third sure has and sure do and sure will darken a third of even the moon .
The moon seems to represent , NOT LUCIFER anymore than the SUN would .
The moon recieves its light from the SUN . if anything the moon might represent the TRUE israel of GOD .
THAT ONE BLEIEVES ON THE SON . THE TRUE ISRAEL BELIEVES GOD and thus BELIEVES THE SON .
INCREDIBLE that YOU would make such a comment!
Quoting STV: "no wonder I don't trust the Bible".
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Davy
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1. One who claims all Bible translations are equal have not The Holy Spirit to guide them to know which translations are the most accurate in keeping with the most used Bible manuscripts.
2. The 1611 KJV Bible is still the most 'accurate' English translation to date. The method used to translate was a 'revealed' method of understanding God's Word. What I mean by that, is the KJV concentrated on a word-for-word translation into the English, instead of a paraphrase.
A paraphrase is like reading the manuscript, looking at how others translated it, and history, and then from one's own interpretation, putting it into one's own words based on the new translation language.
A 'revealed' translation is a word-for-word translation with trying to keep the words between the languages that have the same meanings, instead of the translator interpreting and paraphrasing. A word-for-word translation keeps God's Message closer to the manuscripts whether a Bible scholar understands it or not, thus insuring that the proper interpretation must be revealed... to the reader by The Holy Spirit. A factor that many tend to leave out when speaking of the literature of The Bible, is that it was given by God to holy men as they were moved by The Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:21).
3. Although there are ways God's Word is written that transcend man's literature, thus keeping God's Message as He promised, it still has been under attack by Satan and his host. Modern English Bible translations began using Wescott and Hort's brand new Greek New Testament of 1881 which they brought from corrupt Greek texts like Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaitius. The Codex Sinaiticus was found in a monastery in a waste basket, and not all of it was found. Vaticanus was in the Vatican since the 15th century. And although Wescott and Hort put those manuscripts as being the oldest, they show little use, and only a few copies exist. In contrast, the Greek Majority Text which was used for the 1611 KJV Bible, exists in the thousands of Greek manuscripts and they show wide usage.
So brethren in Christ, don't let people that are ignorant of those above events sway you away from using the 1611 KJV Bible, because the OP is specifically attacking the KJV when mocking using the KJO abbreviation, which means 'King James Only' believers. Also, there exists many Bible study tools from the past that are based on the 1611 KJV Bible. The Strong's Exhaustive Concordance specifically allows you to take any word or phrase in the KJV back to the manuscript word(s) where it was translated from, and then gives you the definition. So it doesn't matter if some English words in the KJV seem out of date; if you have that tool you have the ability to find out what Bible languages state.
2. The 1611 KJV Bible is still the most 'accurate' English translation to date. The method used to translate was a 'revealed' method of understanding God's Word. What I mean by that, is the KJV concentrated on a word-for-word translation into the English, instead of a paraphrase.
A paraphrase is like reading the manuscript, looking at how others translated it, and history, and then from one's own interpretation, putting it into one's own words based on the new translation language.
A 'revealed' translation is a word-for-word translation with trying to keep the words between the languages that have the same meanings, instead of the translator interpreting and paraphrasing. A word-for-word translation keeps God's Message closer to the manuscripts whether a Bible scholar understands it or not, thus insuring that the proper interpretation must be revealed... to the reader by The Holy Spirit. A factor that many tend to leave out when speaking of the literature of The Bible, is that it was given by God to holy men as they were moved by The Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:21).
3. Although there are ways God's Word is written that transcend man's literature, thus keeping God's Message as He promised, it still has been under attack by Satan and his host. Modern English Bible translations began using Wescott and Hort's brand new Greek New Testament of 1881 which they brought from corrupt Greek texts like Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaitius. The Codex Sinaiticus was found in a monastery in a waste basket, and not all of it was found. Vaticanus was in the Vatican since the 15th century. And although Wescott and Hort put those manuscripts as being the oldest, they show little use, and only a few copies exist. In contrast, the Greek Majority Text which was used for the 1611 KJV Bible, exists in the thousands of Greek manuscripts and they show wide usage.
So brethren in Christ, don't let people that are ignorant of those above events sway you away from using the 1611 KJV Bible, because the OP is specifically attacking the KJV when mocking using the KJO abbreviation, which means 'King James Only' believers. Also, there exists many Bible study tools from the past that are based on the 1611 KJV Bible. The Strong's Exhaustive Concordance specifically allows you to take any word or phrase in the KJV back to the manuscript word(s) where it was translated from, and then gives you the definition. So it doesn't matter if some English words in the KJV seem out of date; if you have that tool you have the ability to find out what Bible languages state.
How would you translate this Spanish phrase word-for-word into English? Is that the best method?
Qué hora es? (What hour is?)
Davy
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That's an example of a word for word translation from Spanish to English:
Que =what
hora = hour
es = is (it)
Granted there's some languages that don't translate some words and phrases well into English. The Greek and Hebrew languages are very specific, and have more words to cover nuance of meaning. The derived Latin languages (French, Spanish, Italian) also have more of that than English does. This is why when you look at your English dictionary, you find multitudes of English words originally derived from those other languages.
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