Interesting that the Bible is "the Word of God", unless someone quotes a translation you disagree with.
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Rella ~ I am a woman
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Useful information concerning Bible translations, there are three types. Word for Word, Thought for though, and paraphrasing.
Maybe genealogy, but not the other "books" (Book of Mormon from plates of Nephi? " Book"of Abraham?)
Good posts, thanks.
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Thanks for the recommendation. I gave it a quick look. I'll give it a test drive.
If the concern is bias, I would think a Christian with an entrenched view from their religious upbringing would be the worst.
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Joseph Smith's so-called translation:
ST. JOHN CHAPTER 1 1 In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Problems with the Joseph Smith Translation: John 1 - God Loves Mormons
The Joseph Smith Translation (or JST) significantly differs from the traditional Biblical text. Can the JST be trusted?
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1769 KJV Errors - The CES Letter: A Closer Look
1769 KJV ERRORS BOOK OF MORMON CES LETTER CLAIM What are 1769 King James Version edition errors doing in the Book of Mormon? A purported ancient text? Errors which are unique to the 1769 edition that Joseph Smith owned? CES Letter, Page 9 DEBUNKING REPLY KJV verses only account for 2% of the Book of
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The Joseph Smith Translation and Ancient Texts of the Bible
THE QUESTION THIS ESSAY ATTEMPTS to answer is whether the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible (JST) represents in any way a restoration of text that originally existed in ancient manuscripts but was later altered or removed by scribal carelessness
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Rella ~ I am a woman
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I had Ancestry, 23 and me, and Natl Geographic. All three had the basics pretty much the same but percentages off in part.
I have found that the records in My Heritage will be quasi -accurate and as such wont pay
for the membership... they have an area where anyone can go in and change the records...
I found that in part of my family where someone posted a nurse in the family.. that I know... is an attorney... So I wont really trust them.
But they do have quite a set up of records in Salt Lake City.... and I always wondered why they were so interested in that
What do Egyptologists say about the Book of Abraham?
“Common Pagan Funerary Text”
“Egyptologists have also since translated the source material for the Book of Abraham and have found it to be nothing more than a common pagan Egyptian funerary text …it was a common Breathing Permit that the Egyptians buried with their dead.Jul 30, 2023
LDS Gospel Topics Essay: The Book of Abraham Historicity (Annotated)
The annotation of the official LDS Gospel Topics Essay on the Book of Abraham. We discuss how Joseph Smith translated the facsimilies, why historians believe it is not a true record, and what the Mormon church now claims about its historicity.
A comparison of the Book of Abraham (as contained in The Pearl of Great Price) with the Egyptian papyrus indicates Joseph Smith did not accurately translate the hieroglyphics. Rather, it appears he made up much of the “translation.” There are multiple insights to be gleaned from this observation.
First, if Joseph Smith could not translate Egyptian accurately, then his “translation” of the Book of Mormon cannot be trusted either. For those not familiar with the story, Joseph Smith claimed that the angel Moroni appeared to him and gave him golden tablets which contained ancient Egyptian on them. Yet, if Smith could not translate Egyptian, then the entire Book of Mormon is dubious.
Second, since Joseph Smith claimed to be a prophet of God, he is held to the standard of truthfulness expected of prophets (cf. Deut 18:20–22). Since he is demonstrably lying about his translation of the Egyptian texts, he should be considered a false prophet and a deceiver.
Finally, all of this leads to the inescapable conclusion that Mormonism is a faulty religion based on a false prophet, utilizing falsified holy writings. This is a serious charge, but one that is backed up by the evidence.
As I said at the beginning, I love my Mormon friends.
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The Book of Abraham is the smoking gun of Mormonism.
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The Book of Abraham Issues - Translation Problems
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Wick Stick
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I seem to have inadvertently opened a Pandora's box. Sorry to all.
quietthinker
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We can translate, manufacture and quote till the desert freezes over but unless we see Jesus as God's final word and hear him, we become flailing, stubborn and self important people who will not understand how to understand the written word. We will in fact spin off on a thousand tangents missing the point.
Luke 8:18
Take heed therefore how ye hear, for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.”
Luke 9:35
And a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My beloved Son. Hear Him
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Rella ~ I am a woman
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An LDS Elder visited my home several decades ago.
He showed me a verse I had never noticed before.
1 Corinthians 15:29 NRSVUE (New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition)
Otherwise, what will those people do who receive baptism on behalf of the dead?
If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf?
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Rella ~ I am a woman
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And what did this person say about it?
There is a lot of commentary... but only one that makes any sense.... as we all know you cannot be baptised for another...
(2) by others, that the word "baptized" here is taken in the sense of washing, cleansing, purifying, as in Matthew 8:4; Hebrews 9:10; and that the sense is, that the dead were carefully washed and purified when buried, with the hope of the resurrection, and, as it were, preparatory to that.
St. SteVen said:
An LDS Elder visited my home several decades ago.
He showed me a verse I had never noticed before.
1 Corinthians 15:29 NRSVUE (New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition)
Otherwise, what will those people do who receive baptism on behalf of the dead?
If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf?
It seemed to be in order to show me that there were things right under my nose that I had overlooked.
They did have a genealogical library behind their church. (lower rear entry)
I suppose that had something to do with it.
He is acknowledging that there are baptisms for the dead.
There is no prohibition against it stated.
He asks two questions.
1 Corinthians 15:29 NRSVUE (New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition)
Otherwise, what will those people do who receive baptism on behalf of the dead?
If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf?
People who receive baptism on behalf of the dead.
I'm not suggesting that we do this, but it appears to have been a practice at one point.
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An LDS Elder visited my home several decades ago.
He showed me a verse I had never noticed before.
1 Corinthians 15:29 NRSVUE (New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition)
Otherwise, what will those people do who receive baptism on behalf of the dead?
If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf?
I don't recall. I was a bit stunned.
It seemed to be in order to show me that there were things right under my nose that I had overlooked.
They did have a genealogical library behind their church. (lower rear entry)
I suppose that had something to do with it.
That's the mystery here. What is the Apostle referring to?
He is acknowledging that there are baptisms for the dead.
There is no prohibition against it stated.
He asks two questions.
1 Corinthians 15:29 NRSVUE (New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition)
Otherwise, what will those people do who receive baptism on behalf of the dead?
If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf?
This doesn't address the "on behalf of" aspect.
People who receive baptism on behalf of the dead.
I'm not suggesting that we do this, but it appears to have been a practice at one point.
/ cc: @Augustin56
quietthinker
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Among the many false beliefs and distortions creeping into the Church at the time one was that one could be baptised for those who had died but didn't get baptised.
Paul is countering the disbelief in the resurrection (the context tells us this) by making the point that if the dead aren't raised then what is the point of getting baptised for them.
Another example of using a false view to highlight a truth is Jesus' story of Lazarus and the Rich Man. His point was, 'if they don't believe Moses and the Prophets, they won't believe even if one rose from the dead.
1....Paul was highlighting the the validity of the resurrection from the dead; he was not making a case for baptism for the dead. 2...Jesus is not giving a sermon on the afterlife, he is telling them that Moses and the Prophets spoke about being kind and caring for the disadvantaged by using a then currently circulating myth. The punch line being at the end of the story.
Rella ~ I am a woman
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This is on behalf of a dead person...
(2) by others, that the word "baptized" here is taken in the sense of washing, cleansing, purifying, as in Matthew 8:4; Hebrews 9:10; and that the sense is, that the dead were carefully washed and purified when buried, with the hope of the resurrection, and, as it were, preparatory to that.
And there are people who pray for the dead... certain churches encourage it.
There is no where in the bible that says you can save another once they are dead. There is nowhere that says
you can save another... that is strictly up to them... and God. Unless you count "1 Cor 7:14... For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy... but they are alive not dead
The word Easter in Acts 12:4 as an example and timely to note now. The Greek word is 'pascha' which is passover. The kjv is the only bible that "translated" this as Easter. The translators took it upon themselves to substitute Easter for passover.
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