Kermos
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Obviously you cannot show your view as actually apostolic. You twist scripture, mostly out of context and even Church Fathers to the contrary.
Since you made your assertion that all Christians over the last 2000 years held the view of what you all a "bonded will" show any historical statement to that effect prior to Calvinism. Also note that the Orthodox Synod of Jerusalem declared Calvinism a heresy in 1672.
Christ is the exclusive founder of every single Christian; in other words Christ sovereignly reigns in the affairs of men, but you say that men reign sovereignly in the affairs of God, yet the Christ says this clearly:
- "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16), so God chooses people to be friends (John 15:15 , the prior verse) and to believe (John 6:29) and to be born again (John 3:3-8) and for righteous works (John 3:21, John 15:5) and to repent (Matthew 11:25) and to love (John 13:34) and unto salvation (John 15:19 the same passage).
- "I chose you out of the world" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19, includes salvation), so God chooses people unto salvation.
- "What I say to you I say to all" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this), so all the blessings of God mentioned above are to all believers in all time.
Christ defines and makes us Christians.
The Apostle Paul wrote that a Christian's will is bound to God Almighty with "it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure" (Philippians 2:13), and this is a wonderful blessing!
The Apostle Peter wrote "the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority. Daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties" (2 Peter 2:9-10), and this Apostolic testimony contains both wonderful blessing for we godly but terror for free-willian self-willed unrighteous persons.
You may want to run to voices other than the voice of Christ, but as for me, I am sticking with the voice of Christ. You ran to (not) the voice of Ignatius when you ignorantly implement an ignominious Ignatius quotation as support for free-willian philosophy, yet after the modern editorial content is removed - only leaving Ignatius' writing - the result is that Ignatius declared the depravity of man and the exclusive Sovereignty of God in man's salvation THUS EXPOSING YOUR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST IGNATIUS THAT YOU THEN EXPAND INTO YOUR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD BEING IN CONTROL OF MAN'S SALVATION, so your 2,000 years of no sovereignty of God is demonstrably a lie. This post also shows where your heart's treasure adulterates the Word of God wherein God exclusively chooses every single child of God in all time causing salvation from the wrath of God (John 15:16, John 15:19, Mark 13:37)!
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