Is faith apart of works?

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Is Faith is part of works!

Disagree.
Anyone can WORK, with or without FAITH.

Works is defined as something we choose to do, volition!

Disagree.
I choose to watch a movie.
That is not WORK.
That is relaxing.

Faith is also works ...

Disagree.
"Faith" is a "Gift" ( From God. )
"Works" is "Labor".

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Then we saved by grace alone?

Gods "GRACE" is The bottom line...
Because of Gods
Grace... ANY man CAN be Saved.

Therefore we are all saved?

No. Gods GRACE Is WHY any man Can Be Saved.

Or it would be injustice to save some by grace alone and not all?

God IS JUST.
Gods Grace...is Gods express inclusion of Every Man...
Rich, poor, male, female, young, old, strong, weak, wise, idiot, believer, unbeliever, law abiding, lawless...

The point is...God is not giving a man "grace".
Gods "grace" is His.
He prejudges no one.
It doesn't matter who you are...He Is informing EVERY man...(even though every man has Stood against Him...) HE offers Every man Opportunity to Stand With Him.

You, as an individual, can recognize Gods Offer, or reject His Offer.
Rejecting His Offer...
Effects you....and ultimately God Himself.

It effects you...by ultimately becoming Separated from God Forever.

It effects God...by losing a portion of His Inheritance;
Because Every Saved and Born Again man...IS Gods Inheritance.

Who wants to LOSE any portion of their Inheritance?
NOT God!
And by the way...neither do men.

Ex 34
[9] ... If now I have found grace in thy sight ...take us... for thine inheritance.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Is faith apart of works?
OP^

Faith is one thing.
Works is another thing.
Faith is not works.
Works is not Faith.
Faith and Works can be "connected".
As well, Faith and Works can be "disconnected".
CONTEXT, CONTEXT, CONTEXT.

You can have Faith in...any thing you choose... governments, people, buildings, etc. EXCEPT God.
You can not HAVE Faith IN GOD...by your own power.

Faith is Exclusively a Gift From God.
If YOU Do Have Faith IN God...it was not by your power...It is Expressly by His Power to Gift you with Faith IN Him.

How does ANY man Receive the Gift of Faith from God?

Expressly by Hearing/Receiving the Word of God.

Thus...Every single Time you hear/Receive the Word of God you are receiving Faith from God.

Gods Gift of Faith is given in Measures.
Hear a lot / Receive a lot
Hear a little/Receive a little.
Continue Hearing/ Continue Receiving.
Stop Hearing/ Stop Receiving.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Sabertooth]

Is Faith is part of works!

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love (agape),..." Galatians 5:22 NKJV

"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels,

but have not love (agape),​

I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.

And though I have the gift of prophecy,
and understand all mysteries and all knowledge,
and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains,

but have not love (agape),​

I am nothing.

And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor,
and though I give my body to be burned,

but have not love (agape),​

it profits me nothing." 1 Corinthians 13:1-3 NKJV

Agape is a supernatural love. We cannot produce it ourselves; only the Holy Spirit can produce it within us.

1. Faith avails us to the working of the Spirit,
2. Who bears the fruit of agape love in our hearts, then
3. We have a real sense of what God wants us to do.

Whoever would jump to step #3 without experiencing step #2, first, is doing a dead work and not fulfilling the heart of James 2:17-26. (There is no "fake it until you make it" in Christianity.)

Luv Is A Verb, DC Talk (1992)

 

[Taken]

Works is Labor.
Is it Labor to Speak? Yes.
Is it Labor to Hear? No

Hearing the Word of God...God Gifts a man with Faith.
Context...
If you Labor to speak the Word of God, To another...you Glorify God.
If you Labor to speak the highlights of a Football game to another...that gives No Glory to God.

If you have Not heard the Word of God...
You have not received A measure of Faith from God.

If you have heard the Word of God, you have received a gift from God, i.e. A measure of Faith.

If you Labor, open your mouth, speak to an other, the Word of God you heard...
Your labor/Work Glorifies God...
And the listener himself, receives a measure of Gods Gift of Faith.

The more of Gods Word you HEAR, the more you receive of Gods Gift of Faith ...you are Increased.

The more you Labor/Work by Speaking Gods Word... the more you Glorify God.

Your labor that does Not Glorify God...shall be burned.
You can NOT Glorify God, without His Gift of Faith.
You can not have His Gift of Faith, without hearing His Word.
You can NOT Glorify God without Laboring/ working by give His WORD to an other.

If you Give "needs"...shelter, food, aid in ANY fashion ...and "you take the credit"...the glory is to you.

If you give the "credit to God"...He has given you more, that you can give to an other in need... is a Work that Glorifies God.

We easily become laxed, taking credit for giving to the needy...when it is Because of God giving to us, that we are able to give, without expectation of anything in return.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[theefaith]

There are different kinds of works. There are works of the Law and works of faith. It depends on what motivates our actions. Actions motivated by faith in God are led by the Holy Spirit, not our adherence to the Law.

but it is grace that vivifies our faith and works

 

[theefaith]

I would say...

Faith is a gift from God, increased Expressly via hearing, reading the Word of God.

Works is what you do, labor, clean, till, paint a house, train animals....Exert Effort...work.

Every Works you DO that Glorifies God..."AND" you accredit God..."AND" take no payment, get no trophy, sticker, Etc...

God shall "Reward" you. "Called" stored Treasures in Heaven.

If YOU aid another, mention what you do is For God, take no reward....that is a Works that Glorifies God.

Every Converted man, who does whatever works..."that do not Glorify God"...shall be burned.

Every Works an unconverted man does, shall be burned.

Works do not Save you.
Works simple allow a Saved man to Glorify God before others.

It's a concept. Aiding an other without reward, to Glorify God...is intriguing...
People get intrigued...especially in these days...who does something "for nothing" in return? It's a reveal of strong faith...and some people who don't have Faith...want it, but it so foreign to them...maybe they will seek how to get what you have...faith.

Glory to God,
Taken

faith and works do not save
Grace that enables them both saves they the sacraments

 

[theefaith]

Your opinion is nice but show me from the Bible alone please

 

[theefaith]

Disagree.
Anyone can WORK, with or without FAITH.



Disagree.
I choose to watch a movie.
That is not WORK.
That is relaxing.



Disagree.
"Faith" is a "Gift" ( From God. )
"Works" is "Labor".

Glory to God,
Taken

grace gives merits to our actions both faith and works, Jesus did not say if you fast but when you fast etc.

 

[theefaith]

Gods "GRACE" is The bottom line...
Because of Gods
Grace... ANY man CAN be Saved.



No. Gods GRACE Is WHY any man Can Be Saved.



God IS JUST.
Gods Grace...is Gods express inclusion of Every Man...
Rich, poor, male, female, young, old, strong, weak, wise, idiot, believer, unbeliever, law abiding, lawless...

The point is...God is not giving a man "grace".
Gods "grace" is His.
He prejudges no one.
It doesn't matter who you are...He Is informing EVERY man...(even though every man has Stood against Him...) HE offers Every man Opportunity to Stand With Him.

You, as an individual, can recognize Gods Offer, or reject His Offer.
Rejecting His Offer...
Effects you....and ultimately God Himself.

It effects you...by ultimately becoming Separated from God Forever.

It effects God...by losing a portion of His Inheritance;
Because Every Saved and Born Again man...IS Gods Inheritance.

Who wants to LOSE any portion of their Inheritance?
NOT God!
And by the way...neither do men.

Ex 34
[9] ... If now I have found grace in thy sight ...take us... for thine inheritance.

Glory to God,
Taken

then you have nothing to do with it? Therefore I conclude all men are saved?

 

[theefaith]

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love (agape),..." Galatians 5:22 NKJV

"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels,

but have not love (agape),​

I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.

And though I have the gift of prophecy,
and understand all mysteries and all knowledge,
and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains,

but have not love (agape),​

I am nothing.

And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor,
and though I give my body to be burned,

but have not love (agape),​

it profits me nothing." 1 Corinthians 13:1-3 NKJV

Agape is a supernatural love. We cannot produce it ourselves; only the Holy Spirit can produce it within us.

1. Faith avails us to the working of the Spirit,
2. Who bears the fruit of agape love in our hearts, then
3. We have a real sense of what God wants us to do.

Whoever would jump to step #3 without experiencing step #2, first, is doing a dead work and not fulfilling the heart of James 2:17-26. (There is no "fake it until you make it" in Christianity.)

Luv Is A Verb, DC Talk (1992)

this post opposes salvation by faith alone?

 

[Taken]

faith and works do not save
Grace that enables them both saves they the sacraments

Already covered Grace of God.
Thank you,

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

grace gives merits to our actions both faith and works, Jesus did not say if you fast but when you fast etc.

Grace of God already Covered.

Thank you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Ziggy]

When you walk into a store and there is someone coming in behind you,
you can do one of 2 things.

1. good work: hold the door and don't let it slam in their face
or
2. evil work: see them coming and let it slam their face anyways.

simple really
Hugs

 

[Taken]

then you have nothing to do with it? Therefore I conclude all men are saved?

Gods Grace Sets the Stage for:
Gods OFFERING
TO All men;
a WAY to Salvation AND Forever Quickening.

All men DO NOT..believe, trust, agree, accept;
GODS OFFERING.

All men WILL NOT BE;
SAVED or Forever Quickened.

At the Passing Judgement of All Earthings who have ever occupied this Earth...
ALL Will Believe...But All Will NOT BE Saved or Forever Quickened.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[theefaith]

Gods Grace Sets the Stage for:
Gods OFFERING
TO All men;
a WAY to Salvation AND Forever Quickening.

All men DO NOT..believe, trust, agree, accept;
GODS OFFERING.

All men WILL NOT BE;
SAVED or Forever Quickened.

At the Passing Judgement of All Earthings who have ever occupied this Earth...
ALL Will Believe...But All Will NOT BE Saved or Forever Quickened.

Glory to God,
Taken

then it’s works done thru grace

 

[Sabertooth]

this post opposes salvation by faith alone?

More likely, it suggests that one's works may not pass the 1 Corinthians 3:12-15 test.

 

[Taken]

then it’s works done thru grace

Not a mind reader.
What is "it's"?
What "works"?

 

[theefaith]

More likely, it suggests that one's works may not pass the 1 Corinthians 3:12-15 test.

why can’t grace give merit to works as much as to faith?

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that wesuffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Faith is called work in the scripture!
1 Thessalonians 1:3
Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

 

[theefaith]

Not a mind reader.
What is "it's"?
What "works"?

salvation