Is Faith in Jesus Faith to Keep the Law?

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Joh_1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Christ never gave anyone the law HE even reiterated it

Joh_7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

God gave Moses the law to give to ISrael, it is not and never will be ours.

Some sense at last.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

I'm going to report your posts when you do that

What for? MJR H said nothing like I have no faith?

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Rom_2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

So what? TODAY most people are without law but are no less sinners. Most people dying every day haven't heard of Moses or Jesus or the Law or whatever the true believer believes is fundamental Christian Faith, the only saving faith / Faith.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Acts 15:5-10
5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

And . . .

23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia.
24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Firing blanks into nowhere or firing lead bullets into nothing... same thing... nothing.

 

[mjrhealth]

So what? TODAY most people are without law but are no less sinners. Most people dying every day haven't heard of Moses or Jesus or the Law or whatever the true believer believes is fundamental Christian Faith, the only saving faith / Faith.

YE hasnt changes since Adam... But now we have Christ, and when we become His and die with Him as HE did, and therefore put on His righteousness, there is no longer any judgement ,because His righteousness is not sin, and we will not be judged twice, that would make God a liar, and Christ works meaningless.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

YE hasnt changes since Adam... But now we have Christ, and when we become His and die with Him as HE did, and therefore put on His righteousness, there is no longer any judgement ,because His righteousness is not sin, and we will not be judged twice, that would make God a liar, and Christ works meaningless.

This, "'we … die with Him _as_ HE did'", shall never be, God forbid, not only because it is THE biggest fraud scam of Antichrist ever, but because it is spiritually so impossible, simply, practically and logically, it's ridiculous.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Christiaan Gerhardus Ebersöhn First why we do not "'die as He did'"... We MUST die; He GAVE his Life.
Next why we do not "'die as He did'"... It is not written.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Acts 15:5-10
5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

And . . .

23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia.
24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

The thinker and the tinker. "29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols --HEATHEN, and from blood -- HEATHEN, and from things strangled -- HEATHEN, and from fornication --HEATHEN: from which if ye keep yourselves -- NOT DO, ye shall do well."

 

[mjrhealth]

This, "'we … die with Him _as_ HE did'", shall never be, God forbid, not only because it is THE biggest fraud scam of Antichrist ever, but because it is spiritually so impossible, simply, practically and logically, it's ridiculous.

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Yes. Don't reckon yourself Christ or as Christ; it's the same as reckon yourself God or as God. It's blasphemy. Jesus who “knew no sin” died "unto sin"; we are dead in our sin. He died for sin, our sin; but in that / because He lives and conquered sin and death, we can and must reckon ourselves alive unto God through our Lord Jesus Christ."

 

[mjrhealth]

Yes. Don't reckon yourself Christ or as Christ; it's the same as reckon yourself God or as God. It's blasphemy. Jesus who “knew no sin” died "unto sin"; we are dead in our sin. He died for sin, our sin; but in that / because He lives and conquered sin and death, we can and must reckon ourselves alive unto God through our Lord Jesus Christ."

IS not what that says...

 

[amadeus]

Hey my friend.
None of these people are as easily offended as you may think.
And more than most firmly believe that how "they" see and believe things , is how it is and must be!!

You are doing well brother.
I enjoy your posts...and greatly appreciate your gentle spirit.

And, don't forget. We have MANY legalist in the membership here!!!

@marks
Listen to the lady, my friend! She often speaks with wisdom from God... although some will also attack her!

 

[Helen]

@marks
Listen to the lady, my friend! She often speaks with wisdom from God... although some will also attack her!

Thanks Bro.
I think that attacks , being many, have thickened my skin quite a bit!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Come Lord Jesus, come quickly!