Saying it doesn't make it so.I didn’t answer your question because it’s a leading question that’s framed in a way to support your thesis.
No, that isn't what I want you to say at all.You want me to say that if God declared rape to be good, then it must be good.
That is not in dispute and is utterly irrelevant to the question. The question has to do with WHY something is good or evil.However, God hasn’t declared rape to be good and never will because it’s contrary to His character and nature.
I do not believe that you believed this when you wrote it. Do yourself a favor and stop trying to read my mind and or making stuff up out of whole clothe.You believe these are meaningless; I do not.
God's nature and character are not at question here.How else are we to know God but by His nature and character?
So are contemporaries. So what?The ancients were able to discern God’s holiness through His nature alone.
No sir, you do not. You think you do but I've proven that you don't. No one who knows WHY right is right and wrong is wrong would hesitate for one second to give the answer to my question because it would be obvious. The mere fact that you won't answer it means that your heart is as dark as pitch.You accuse me of not knowing right from wrong when I assuredly do.
Yes, you do. You couldn't have written that sentence without logic and reason. There is no such thing as "human logic" by the way, unless it is use as a euphemism that refers to being irrational.I do not base it on some fancy philosophical explanation or on human reason and logic, which are limited.
Which you read and understood how, without using logic and reason, hmm?I base it on what the Word of God says.
God did not impart the law to Moses to distinguish right from wrong. More proof that you have no idea what you're talking about.When Moses asked God His Name, God simply said, “I AM WHO I AM." Moses needed no further explanation or reassurance. When God imparted the laws to Israel to distinguish between right and wrong, they took His Word at it.
Not relevant.God didn’t have to explain it in philosophical terms to convince them. When God told Mary she would be the mother of the Messiah, she believed it. She had a biblical knowledge of the truth, and that was all she needed.
How do you know this?We can know what is true through spiritual discernment, which transcends logic and reason.
Please refrain from using logic or reason while attempting to answer.
Do you understand that verse? If so, by what means? Did you read it? By what means did you comprehend the words?It is the same with faith. Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
The fact is, that you do not understand that verse. You think it is saying the opposite of what it's actually saying. You think its equating faith with something mystical.
How do you know this?Discernment, like faith, has an intangible quality about it that cannot be quantified by logic.
Please refrain from using logic or reason while attempting to answer.
That along with the ability to reason!We are created in the image of God, and He imparted us with a conscious.
Irrelevant to the point.This gives everyone an innate sense of right and wrong, though our free wills can override it.
No you don't. You're guessing! Your hoping. You want for God to be good but don't even know what the word good means!I know God to be moral as certainly as I know that two plus two equals four.
Why not?And if God wasn’t moral, then none of us would stand a chance.
Please refrain from using logic or reason when attempting to answer.
YOU JUST EXPLAINED IT!!!!It’s the same as if someone asked who created God. The answer is no one, because He always was and always will be. It defies a rational explanation because God transcends our natural realm.
It is precisely REASON that the carnal mind is not subject to!It’s as simple as that. Perhaps that may not be good enough for the atheist, but the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be (Rom 8:7-9).
Go look up something called the Transcendental Argument for the Existence of God. God is the fountainhead of reason. Logic itself presupposes the existence of a rational God.
It does no such thing. I have not said anything remotely like God is MERELY anything. God is not merely love. God is not merely kind. God is not merely rathful. There are a list of God's attributes as long as your arm and Reason is MERELY one of them.Your argument is a philosophical one that reduces God to mere logic and reason.
It certainly got lost on you! That's for sure!It’s an overly complicated approach that will get lost on most people.
Idiotic question!There is no question that God is a God of reason and logic, but is that all He is?
No one has suggested any such thing. Build any straw men lately?Is logic the end-all-be-all?
Do you have anything that you are willing to state emphatically? "You don't believe so"? Really?I don’t believe so.
I KNOW for a fact that it isn't so!
That's false! There isn't anything else other than logic that can do so. This comment of yours doesn't even make any sense. Just what is it that you think logic is, anyway?Logic can’t even save someone from damnation or get you to love your neighbor.
Can a man believe in God without acknowledging His existence?
Can a man acknowledge his need of a savior without conceding his guilt?
Can a man call on Jesus if he has no knowledge of Jesus or any aspect of the gospel?
What is any of that if it isn't logical reasoning from precept to precept, from premise to conclusion?
This is not in dispute and thus not relevant to the question.I don’t believe we can fully comprehend God in such a context because God is beyond human understanding.
It will take an eternity for us to fully know Him.
I do NOT posit any such thing! It is not an implication. John wasn't implying it, he was stating it outright.You posit that the Word (logos) implies that God is logic, but I take it in the more literal sense of the meaning.
That would be to remove the passage from its context entirely. There isn't any indication whatsoever in the text that this is what John was talking about and I can guarantee you that this is for sure not what John's Greek audience would have understood him to mean.It was through God’s Word that the universe and everything in it were formed.
John 1 is NOT talking about the bible, Jericho! The only reason you're even saying this has nothing to do with the original language but with the way the KJV translated Logos into English! That poor translation has directly caused you to completely misinterpret the passage altogether, precisely because "logos" and "word" do not mean the same thing!It was through God’s Word that we learned about Him. It was through God’s Word that He prophesied the coming of the Messiah. And so, the Word became flesh. It's a demonstratation of God's power that He can bring anything into existence merely by speaking it.
You don't arrive at it at all! You simply declare it to be true based on a desire to believe it as though your saying it makes it so!So, we may both agree that God is moral, but we arrive at that conclusion from two totally different perspectives.
Bow out all you like. When your lying in bed at night and your mind gets quiet, remember that there's a guy out there who knows that you have no idea why good and good and evil is evil.That’s fine. It’s apparent we won’t come to a consensus, so I see no further reason to continue this discussion.
So you're the only one allowed to be condescending are you? Is everyone on this entire site a hypocrite?I’ve said all I have to say. Feel free to have the last word if you want, but I would appreciate if you dropped the condescending tone.
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