Is God Really All Loving?

[kcnalp]

suit yourself

Read Revelation and see if God is "all loving".

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Sorry if there was already a topic created about this but @Bobby Jo and I were just talking about this privately and I finally thought of how to make it into a topic. (Ironically I was also just reading something in the Bible yesterday about how somebody wanted God to "calm down" even though His anger is always sinless.) Anyways, we were also just recently talking about on here how christianforums.com is pretty much a socialist liberalist website and we have a lot of former members on here. (@Heart2Soul and @Taken I want you to see this thread too.)





They believe that God is all loving, all accepting, and don't believe in the second amendment or that anybody should hold any accountability for their actions. That's where I have to say that I don't know what Bible they're reading, or why they think that they're promoting equality and freedom in America, but I think that they are absolutely one hundred percent crazy!! I got BANNED and SILENCED when I tried standing up to them and for my rights as an American and that really ticked me off!!

I have been banned as well.

But to answer the main question:

Yes God is all loving...... To His children. but to the unsaved there is this:

John 3:36
King James Version

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

 

[JesusLovesYou]

Sorry if there was already a topic created about this but @Bobby Jo and I were just talking about this privately and I finally thought of how to make it into a topic. (Ironically I was also just reading something in the Bible yesterday about how somebody wanted God to "calm down" even though His anger is always sinless.) Anyways, we were also just recently talking about on here how christianforums.com is pretty much a socialist liberalist website and we have a lot of former members on here. (@Heart2Soul and @Taken I want you to see this thread too.)





They believe that God is all loving, all accepting, and don't believe in the second amendment or that anybody should hold any accountability for their actions. That's where I have to say that I don't know what Bible they're reading, or why they think that they're promoting equality and freedom in America, but I think that they are absolutely one hundred percent crazy!! I got BANNED and SILENCED when I tried standing up to them and for my rights as an American and that really ticked me off!!

I live by the motto "God loves the sinner but hates sin.". When one says that God is all loving, it is very important to be specific what He loves. In Hebrews, God is described as a loving father who punishes his children for their good. PUNISHMENT IS ALWAYS OUT OF LOVE. He also knows that we are not perfect and encourages us to finish the race so we can receive in the end the crown if life.

 

[rjs330]

Sorry if there was already a topic created about this but @Bobby Jo and I were just talking about this privately and I finally thought of how to make it into a topic. (Ironically I was also just reading something in the Bible yesterday about how somebody wanted God to "calm down" even though His anger is always sinless.) Anyways, we were also just recently talking about on here how christianforums.com is pretty much a socialist liberalist website and we have a lot of former members on here. (@Heart2Soul and @Taken I want you to see this thread too.)





They believe that God is all loving, all accepting, and don't believe in the second amendment or that anybody should hold any accountability for their actions. That's where I have to say that I don't know what Bible they're reading, or why they think that they're promoting equality and freedom in America, but I think that they are absolutely one hundred percent crazy!! I got BANNED and SILENCED when I tried standing up to them and for my rights as an American and that really ticked me off!!

Good morning. I too have spent a lot of time on that forum. I wasn't banned completely but sure received a lot of warnings and had too many times I was shut off for a month for calling the leftists out on a lot of things.

When I joined this forum I found more people who would speak out against the left and weren't silenced. Also I have found that we can have disagreements and not get reported everytime we turn around.

God IS all loving. He so loved the world he gave his only son. HOWEVER, what is missed too often by the left leaning believers is that Jesus did not come to condemn the world because the world IS CONDEMNED ALREADY.

God hates sin and wickedness. How many verses do we have to quote in order for socialist type liberal Christians to open thier eyes to that? Whatever happened to the

Therefore wait for Me,” declares the Lord,
“For the day when I rise up as a witness.
Indeed, My decision is to gather nations,
To assemble kingdoms,
To pour out on them My indignation,
All My burning anger;
For all the earth will be devoured
By the fire of My zeal.

For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

The Bible tells us that the closer we get to the final days there will be a falling away. I think we are seeing that in these times.

 

[rjs330]

My views on this are pretty straightforward. For the most part, (with a few exceptions) if a Liberal tells you that they stand for and believe in having a free country they're lying to you. These are some of the things that I remember caused my banning on CF.




1. Stating the BLM was a terrorist organization.

2. Stating that Biden was the antichrist. (Examples including taking away our right to bear arms and banning our freedom of religion. Number two definitely isn't godly or for Christ so it has to be against Him.)


3. Saying insulting things about Biden even though they were true. (Only after they were insulting Trump first and they didn't have any consequences either I was the only one banned for it.)


4. Standing up for my unfair treatment and freedom of speech.






Now it is true that they're not all like that. @Michael1985 is a moderator on there and one of my best friends from that website and he has been in my corner all along.

The rules there are very strict, BUT too often arbitrary. Many there attacked Trump so viciously, but I didn't notice them being silenced for that. But you sure couldn't say things about Biden or other liberals like that without being silenced.

I have to say though that according to their rules calling Biden the Anti-Christ was a definate violation.

 

[rjs330]

God doesn't kill anyone nor has he a desire to......if that is the thinking. People self destruct. The punishment is in fact self inflicted. The promise to Adam and Eve was just that.....ie, dying you will die.....self destruction!

If we take 1 John seriously we cannot have a God who claims love and kills at the same time....it is incongruent.

This raises questions re Old Testament records and their accounts. Many things can be said but until the questions are asked the specific answers carry no impact.

I would say this:- Jesus is the definitive word of God on this question. The buck stops with him. Hebrews 1 is clear.....God would rather die himself than kill. Unless we understand this about God we are faced with a major problem.

Where do you get the idea God doesn't kill anyone? God has killed a lot of people. The flood is an example of that. The final plague in Egypt is another. Ananias and Sapphira are two more.

God does kill. In the final judgement God sends non-believers to the lake of fire. Technically I suppose that's not killing them cause they are there for eternal judgement.

 

[rjs330]

Your them and us approach disables your vision April_Rose.....your paradigm does not allow you to see beyond your own justification.

Unfortunately in the current battle it IS an us vs them. We are opponents when it come to the direction of the country. For example:

1. They want to get rid of the 2nd amendment. We don't. There isn't any compromise with that.
2. They want abortion to be legal up to and including at birth. We don't. There isn't any compromise about that.
3. They want government to control healthcare. We don't. No compromise.
4. They want social justice, we dont. There can't be any compromise.

The liberal philosophy and the conservative philosophy are diametrically opposed. So it IS an us vs them.

They want immoral things taught in schools to be okay. We don't. We cannot compromise.

 

[rjs330]

God judges those who denied Jesus...I just provided you with an in depth study about the Hebrew word and the translation into English.
Here is your understanding of the word...
verb (used with object), hat·ed, hat·ing.
to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest:to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry.
Here is the meaning of that verse
Malachi Chapter 1
Jacob I have loved; but Esau I have hated: God did not hate Esau in the sense of cursing him or striking out against him. Indeed, Esau was a blessed man (Genesis 33:9, 36:1-43). Yet when God chose Jacob, He left Esau unchosen in regard to receiving the blessing given to Abraham.

i. In his commentary on Romans (where Paul quoted this Malachi passage in Romans 9:13) Leon Morris cited examples where hate clearly seems to mean something like “loved less” (Genesis 29:31-33, Deuteronomy 21:15, Matthew 6:24, Luke 14:26, John 12:25). Yet he agreed with Calvin’s idea that the real thought here is much more like “accepted” and “rejected” more than it is like our understanding of the terms “loved” and “hated.”

ii. We should remember the reason why election is brought up here: not to exclude, but to comfort and reassure. “A woman once said to Mr. Spurgeon, ‘I cannot understand why God should say that He hated Esau.’ ‘That,’ Spurgeon replied, ‘is not my difficulty, madam. My trouble is to understand how God could love Jacob’” (William Newell in his commentary on Romans).

The greek word for hate is miseo. It means

miséō – properly, to detest (on a comparative basis); hence, denounce; to love someone or something less than someone (something) else, i.e. to renounce one choice in favor of another.

The Hebrew word is Sane- and as with most Hebrew words it's a bit more complicated. But overall it has more of a connotation of enemy or foe. The english translation as hate is has to be understood as hate meaning a person is an enemy or foe. So in the sense of Esau or Psalms it would be better understood that Esau was lived less and considered a foe if God's. And I Psalms the enemies of does of God should be considered out enemies and foes.

The wicked and evil are not our friends and they are not on our side. Jesus himself said if we are not for him we are against him. That is kind of the concept here.

 

[April_Rose]

@April_Rose John's First Epistle and Romans 8 have a lot about assurance of faith in Christ.

I know, but I also can't help my doubts sometimes.

The question 'Is God all loving' is the same question muted by Satan.....

So just because I simply asked a question I'm getting compared to Satan now?

You have short circuited a big question kcnalp and drawn a conclusion contrary to what the reality of Jesus was about......and it is not possible to hold both views and be congruent. How can this happen? It happens because of a misunderstanding and an ignorance of Hebrew assumptions......and the writers of scripture were Hebrews.

I seem to notice that you're insulting everybody who believes differently than you. I only insult Biden, not Biden supporters so there's a difference there. You're pretty close to going back on my ignore list because with that attitude you certainly aren't going to win any friends.

When you come to a scripture that SEEMS to contradict God's nature then it needs to be searched out thoroughly...or there will definitely be misunderstandings.
:Question: Malachi 1:1-3 says: “An oracle. The word of the LORD to Israel through Malachi. ‘I have loved you,’ says the LORD; but you say, ‘How have you loved us?’ ‘Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?’ says the LORD: ‘yet I loved Jacob, but hated Esau; I made his mountains a waste, his heritage a desert for jackals.'” Romans 9:13 quotes part of this passage, “As it is written: ‘I loved Jacob but hated Esau.'” Is it true that God hated Esau?

A: No, God did not hate Esau, but God did prefer Jacob (later known as Israel) over Esau. The Hebrew word used in these passages is translated as hate inThe New American Bible, The New Revised Standard Version (NRSV) andThe New Jerusalem Bible. If God prefers one person over another, biblical writers may say that God loves the one and hates the other, although God cannot hate any person.

According to The NRSV Concordance Unabridged, the word hate occurs 83 times in the Old Testament and 17 times in the New Testament, not countinghated, hates and similar words. In the Old Testament, 78 of those usages applyhate in the context of one person to God, an individual, a group of people or some type of sin. Only five times do we read that God hates in the sense described above.

The New Testament’s first usage of hate is a challenge to the idea that one person is allowed to hate another. In Matthew 5:43-45, Jesus says: “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your heavenly Father, for he makes his sun rise on the bad and the good, and causes rain to fall on the just and the unjust.”

In Luke 14:26-27, however, Jesus employs the Hebrew usage described above when he addresses the great crowds following him and says: “If anyone comes to me without hating his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple. Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple.” The New American Bible‘s footnote for this passage notes the similar saying in Matthew 10:37 and explains, “The disciple’s family must take second place to the absolute dedication involved in following Jesus (see also Luke 9:59-62).”

Other New Testament passages apply hate as happening between one person and someone else or in the Semitic sense of prefer.

God cannot do anything that contradicts what being God means. For example, God cannot be dishonest or unjust because that would contradict God’s truthfulness or justice. The three persons of the Trinity cannot be in competition with one another because that would contradict God’s unity.

Sometimes our language about God is deliberately very selective. Saying that God hates some people the way that humans sometimes hate one another could be interpreted as giving someone permission to do the same.


If we cite a passage such as Malachi 1:1-3 or Romans 9:13 to justify our hatred, we are taking that passage out of context and giving it a meaning contrary to how the faith community has understood it. God might say: “Don’t use me to justify your hatred. Accept responsibility for your actions. Come to your senses and reject hatred!”

I was just about to say the same thing actually and if I might add, I also think of it as how I hate broccoli and a lot of other vegetables. It isn't on a personal level, I just can't stand the way they taste,.. and with God when He "hates" people it isn't personal either. He probably just hates their attitude and how they act.

God judges those who denied Jesus...

May I also add that I don't think it brings Him any pleasure to damn people to Hell either. If it did, then we wouldn't celebrate Christmas or Easter now would we?

The rules there are very strict, BUT too often arbitrary. Many there attacked Trump so viciously, but I didn't notice them being silenced for that. But you sure couldn't say things about Biden or other liberals like that without being silenced.

I have to say though that according to their rules calling Biden the Anti-Christ was a definate violation.

The problem is though that anything against God is considered the Anti-Christ. Or so I've been taught and no,.. Trump haters can be much worse sometimes on there and they were never punished at all and nobody ever even considered punishing them.

Where do you get the idea God doesn't kill anyone? God has killed a lot of people. The flood is an example of that. The final plague in Egypt is another. Ananias and Sapphira are two more.

Exactly what I was thinking.

Unfortunately in the current battle it IS an us vs them. We are opponents when it come to the direction of the country. For example:

1. They want to get rid of the 2nd amendment. We don't. There isn't any compromise with that.
2. They want abortion to be legal up to and including at birth. We don't. There isn't any compromise about that.
3. They want government to control healthcare. We don't. No compromise.
4. They want social justice, we dont. There can't be any compromise.

The liberal philosophy and the conservative philosophy are diametrically opposed. So it IS an us vs them.

They want immoral things taught in schools to be okay. We don't. We cannot compromise.

Agreed with all of the above.

 

[April_Rose]

Also I forgot to add that you would be amazed to discover how many so called Christians are pro-choice, but aren't they just contradicting themselves when they approve of babies being murdered? Why not just choose adoption if you can't care for the child yourself? That's what my birth mother did.

 

[rjs330]

Also I forgot to add that you would be amazed to discover how many so called Christians are pro-choice, but aren't they just contradicting themselves when they approve of babies being murdered? Why not just choose adoption if you can't care for the child yourself? That's what my birth mother did.

And since you're a believer it all worked out for the best!

 

[quietthinker]

Read Revelation and see if God is "all loving".

knalp...you don't see regarding this matter because you don't ask. You interpret with limited information which appears to you conclusive.

 

[quietthinker]

Where do you get the idea God doesn't kill anyone? God has killed a lot of people. The flood is an example of that. The final plague in Egypt is another. Ananias and Sapphira are two more.

God does kill. In the final judgement God sends non-believers to the lake of fire. Technically I suppose that's not killing them cause they are there for eternal judgement.

we have a problem rjs330.....it looks like this....On the one hand we hear that God loves to the point that he is prepared to give his own life so the guilty won't die.....on the other hand we have the texts you quoted where it appears God flips his lid when it suits him......how would you come to terms with that?

 

[quietthinker]

I seem to notice that you're insulting everybody who believes differently than you.

where is the insult AR?

 

[quietthinker]

So just because I simply asked a question I'm getting compared to Satan now?

no AR, I'm not making that comparison.....I am bringing to your attention that this question has been asked by the adversary and was being asked because God's government claimed perfection.

 

[April_Rose]

where is the insult AR?

Well for one you keep telling me that I'm trying to justify my behavior and I'm not. I'm trying to point out that these are the same serious issues that we're facing in the real world of our voices being silenced just for being conservatives.

 

[amigo de christo]

I know, but I also can't help my doubts sometimes.

i just barely read this , so i dont know what its all about .
BUT had you told me i was close to ignore and that the way i speak wont make many friends
my reponse would have been simply this ,..... I Love you and all , but i am not here to make friends , but to speak truth .
My friends , my family are those who do the will of GOD . Though i do pray for even those who hate me .
But the truth is , i am NOT here to make friends . I am here to speak truth . LIke i said i dont know the jist of yalls conversation .
ANd i am not choosing sides . I am just reminding us of even what JESUS said , YOu are my friends , IF YOU DO whatever i command you .
AND those who are my family are those who do the will of GOD . Be encouraged my dear sister , i am not attacking ,
just reminding .







So just because I simply asked a question I'm getting compared to Satan now?








I seem to notice that you're insulting everybody who believes differently than you. I only insult Biden, not Biden supporters so there's a difference there. You're pretty close to going back on my ignore list because with that attitude you certainly aren't going to win any friends.








I was just about to say the same thing actually and if I might add, I also think of it as how I hate broccoli and a lot of other vegetables. It isn't on a personal level, I just can't stand the way they taste,.. and with God when He "hates" people it isn't personal either. He probably just hates their attitude and how they act.










May I also add that I don't think it brings Him any pleasure to damn people to Hell either. If it did, then we wouldn't celebrate Christmas or Easter now would we?







The problem is though that anything against God is considered the Anti-Christ. Or so I've been taught and no,.. Trump haters can be much worse sometimes on there and they were never punished at all and nobody ever even considered punishing them.








Exactly what I was thinking.











Agreed with all of the above.

 

[April_Rose]

Umm I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about @quietthinker.

 

[amigo de christo]

Well for one you keep telling me that I'm trying to justify my behavior and I'm not. I'm trying to point out that these are the same serious issues that we're facing in the real world of our voices being silenced just for being conservatives.

lets change you saying up just a wee bit , IF liberals tell you they stand for a free country , THEN KNOW YE and understand
it means they WANT FREE STUFF . THAT IS their ideology . THOUGH it be not the ideology of those who rule over them .
FOR THE RULERS say one thing , YET watch , they will enslave them too . THEY AINT JUST GONNA KEEP giving free stuff . NO that idea was to win voters . THEY GONNA TURN on the very poor they pretended to love . YOU WATCH . THIS world is about to get real ugly and real fast .
WE AT THE END .

 

[quietthinker]

Well for one you keep telling me that I'm trying to justify my behavior and I'm not. I'm trying to point out that these are the same serious issues that we're facing in the real world of our voices being silenced just for being conservatives.

Misunderstanding/misinterpreting will no doubt take a path that is prickly. Using language which misrepresents the reality in order to shore up one's position is a dangerous pursuit.....morphing meanings is doubly as slippery.

Self honesty requires courage with courage being the ability to recognise and admit a misstep when it occurs.