Is God sending people straight to hell when they die, today?

[MatthewG]

I don't see it lasting forever.

Revelation 21:8 and to fearful, and unstedfast, and abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the liars, their part is in the lake that is burning with fire and brimstone, which is a second death.'

As again you have people outside of the Kingdom of Heaven. Idk if they decide by their own choice to go into the lake of fire that is coming from Yahava or not, however it would be purging them of their darkness with-in them in my opinion!

God is good... not a bad God that just annihilates people as people suggest, A lot of people have it wrong in my best estimation but I could be also wrong.

Revelation 22:15 Outside the city are the dogs—the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idol worshipers, and all who love to live a lie.


No one can ever tell me that people are in the lake of fire forever, as it states they only have a part in it.

μέρος (meros)
Noun - Nominative Neuter Singular
Strong's 3313: A part, portion, share. From an obsolete but more primary form of meiromai; a division or share.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Sorry, not going through this again with you.


I am just trying to show from scripture how people are not going to be in the lake of fire forever.

Whether or not you care about this is between you and God.

And I am tryign to show you you are wrong

The penalty of sin is death. Not going to hell. Hellfire will not get people out of hell because their sin is not paid for..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I don't see it lasting forever.

Revelation 21:8 and to fearful, and unstedfast, and abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the liars, their part is in the lake that is burning with fire and brimstone, which is a second death.'

As again you have people outside of the Kingdom of Heaven. Idk if they decide by their own choice to go into the lake of fire that is coming from Yahava or not, however it would be purging them of their darkness with-in them in my opinion!

God is good... not a bad God that just annihilates people as people suggest, A lot of people have it wrong in my best estimation but I could be also wrong.

Revelation 22:15 Outside the city are the dogs—the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idol worshipers, and all who love to live a lie.


No one can ever tell me that people are in the lake of fire forever, as it states they only have a part in it.

μέρος (meros)
Noun - Nominative Neuter Singular
Strong's 3313: A part, portion, share. From an obsolete but more primary form of meiromai; a division or share.

Hell is forever.

Your giving people a reason to deny God and live however they want and do whatever they want, because they will eventually get to heaven anyway.

the penalty of sin is death, hell is the second death

if your sin is not atoned here on earth. you will suffer the result of your sin for eternity

 

[MatthewG]

And I am tryign to show you you are wrong

The penalty of sin is death. Not going to hell. Hellfire will not get people out of hell because their sin is not paid for..

Good luck with that. You would be better off not even trying with me. All you can do is agree, or disagree. Or call me a devil, or not a christian. Idc what you may want to do.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Good luck with that. You would be better off not even trying with me.

Then you need to stop discussing this. Because you are not open to discussion

 

[MatthewG]

Then you need to stop discussing this. Because you are not open to discussion

Just not going to go around about with you, you can continue to comment but I may or may not ignore your message. There is no rule saying "You must engage with every individual that posts on your created thread.' You would be better off just moving forward on to somewhere else.

 

[MatthewG]

I have no issues with second death, (perhaps the dying to the self in the lake of fire going towards Yahava in the afterlife), I do not have any issues with the devil, the false prophet, and the beast all being in the lake of fire forever. I do not have any problem with what is written in Revelation 21, about people having a part in the lake of fire, and I also do not have a problem that suggest there are people who are faithless remaining outside of the city walls in the heavenly realm which the gates never close, and God calls by the spirit and the bride to come.


What you believe about these things I do not know but they are from scripture.

 

[Peterlag]

well peoples bodies are dead, but their souls and spirits(if they are believers) are most definitely alive. God allows all things to happen. Nothing happens apart from allowing it. The natural laws are still subject to Gods will. He has given man volition to choose things like what to eat&wear etc. but it is still under the sovereign will of God.

The gospels are historic accounts and are for Christians. Maybe not a sspecific as the epistles but they were for all to see but the church is the one who holds them dear.

As for the trinity. You reject that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are equally God in nature as the Father?

If the dead are already alive? Then what gets up when the Lord returns?

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

 

[Rockerduck]

I don't worry about people going to hell anymore. I rejoice with all the Christians going to Heaven. I was at a grocery store a couple of days ago. I had a ball cap with a cross on it on. A lady came up behind me talking about which bread was best, my back was to her. I turned around and thanked her; as she continued talking. Then she saw my hat and stopped and says "oh you're a Christian", and she turned around and walked way. Its hard to witness to someone like that.

 

[MatthewG]

I don't worry about people going to hell anymore. I rejoice with all the Christians going to Heaven. I was at a grocery store a couple of days ago. I had a ball cap with a cross on it on. A lady came up behind me talking about which bread was best, my back was to her. I turned around and thanked her; as she continued talking. Then she saw my hat and stopped and says "oh you're a Christian", and she turned around and walked way. Its hard to witness to someone like that.

Well, Christian title gets so many looks because its done a lot of no good in some peoples lives. I do not even feel the need to call myself a Christian. Just a follower of the way, of the one whom God sent, Yeshua. Thank you for sharing, and letting everyone know you do not worry about people going to hell anymore. Great, rocker!

 

[Rockerduck]

Well, Christian title gets so many looks because its done a lot of no good in some peoples lives. I do not even feel the need to call myself a Christian. Just a follower of the way, of the one whom God sent, Yeshua. Thank you for sharing, and letting everyone know you do not worry about people going to hell anymore. Great, rocker!

Its been my calling. I've done this for 40 yrs. I know God uses what I've done. I just plant seeds, someone else waters, and God does the harvesting.

 

[MatthewG]

Its been my calling. I've done this for 40 yrs. I know God uses what I've done. I just plant seeds, someone else waters, and God does the harvesting.

May Yahava, uphold you, and may Yeshua make you right with Him, and may you continue to follow through trusting them. Amen, they deserve all the glory for even given us breathe of life today. :)

 

[Keiw]

I cant understand what that sentence even means. I guess you would say God sends people to the grave? He is the life giver and life taker after all.

That is exactly Gods promise to all-Deuteronomy 30:19--He set before all-LIFE or DEATH), both will be everlasting.

 

[MatthewG]

Deuteronomy 30:19-

Not so sure its to all. It most certainly was said to the people of israel. Im a stickler sorry for that keiw.

Deuteronomy 30:19​

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19 This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live

 

[Keiw]

Not so sure its to all. It most certainly was said to the people of israel. Im a stickler sorry for that keiw.

Deuteronomy 30:19​

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19 This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live

Its for all.

 

[MatthewG]

Its for all.

I dont know if that is true or not. Is there principles that can be learned from? Absolutely. :) It seemed that Yahava dealt with the children of israel with blessing and curses, and I am not totally sure that blessing and curses continue on to people who are Gentiles. Wouldn't make much sense.

 

[Keiw]

I dont know if that is true or not. Is there principles that can be learned from? Absolutely. :) It seemed that Yahava dealt with the children of israel with blessing and curses, and I am not totally sure that blessing and curses continue on to people who are Gentiles. Wouldn't make much sense.

Only a sadist would have an eternal suffering. God is love.

 

[Jack]

Be honest, what do you believe?

Is God sending people straight to hell when they die, today?​

My answer of course is a big solid fat - No.

You can't just pretend to believe that God sends people straight to hell and then soften a blow when death comes about.

I believe that Yahava, who sent the Lord Yeshua, the messiah - who has had victory over all things today "Hell, Satan, Sin, Death (Spiritual death), the false prophet, the beast" does not send people to hell because hell gives up it's death in Revelation, therefore it can not last forever. There is the lake of fire that is in front of the Lamb, which one can assume rubs away all the darkness of an individual, and allows the only remaining good part of them alive be it small or very little. That is a good God, who loves, and who purges away darkness, however it seems that when Yahava, judges those who are not properly clothed are thrown back out of the kingdom into darkness, those who wanted nothing to do with God in this life are also resurrected and given a spiritual body that resides out in the darkness. There seems to be a city that God had established in the afterlife, that similar to the temple that was set up on earth. The outer court (the way), the inner court (the truth), and the holy of holies (the life), and everyone who believed start out in the outer court. While those who wanted nothing to do with God are outside of the gate in general.

On the subject of faithless people being outside the kingdom:

Why are faithless people claimed to be outside of the gates of the city in heaven?

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Those of faith are given a spiritual body that may dwell in the city and have access to the tree of life.

“Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22‬:‭14‬-‭15‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Revelation 22:14-15 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and | New King James Version (NKJ

Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and

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To me everyone goes to the heavenly Realm, either outside or inside the kingdom.

Hell will be FILLED with people who don't believe in the everlasting Hell fire! And those who lead them there!

 

[BlessedPeace]

The body returns to the dust from whence it sprang. And the soul to the God who gave it.
Ecclesiastes 12:7

 

[Jack]

Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Rev 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Amen Jesus!