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Featured Is Israel really biblical Israel or is it a devil's creation?

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  1. Soverign Grace

    Soverign Grace Well-Known Member

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    Can you tell me who the Zionists are - are they illuminati? I've been watching documentaries on Hitler and there is a surprising resemblance to America now. I'm unsure as to where Hitler fit in with all this.
     
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    Who exactly is it that practices Kabbala?

    Are you saying that David will be prince over Israel - as in the future?
     
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    So the Jews in Israel are really Russian Khazars? I missed a section of history on all this.
     
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    Often, Christians have more knowledge of the Tanakh (our Old Testament) than Jews do. I know several Messianic Jews who witness to their people about Jesus. One of them told me that he is always startled by the total ignorance that many Jews display when he brings up points of Scripture from the Tanakh. He says he often gets blank stares. My friend said he once had a nice Jewish lady read Isaiah 53 on the "Suffering Servant". She dutifully read the passage and looked up, with tears in her eyes, and said, barely above a whisper, "That's Jesus, isn't it?"
     
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    Most Jews today do not know the Tanakh--nor do they see a need to read and study it.
     
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    And you base this assumption on what?
     
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    Do you know the meaning of lip service?
     
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    You have more Jew
    or as much or close to it in you
    than the majority of people in Israel
    claiming to be Jews.
    Watch the video I posted.
    The Lies of the Jews.

    It will explain it to you in truth.
     
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    I know what it means, but I'm sure I don't know your reason for that cryptic comment.
     
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    Statistics from Israel. A large portion of Israelis (54%) describe themselves as "non-religious" and 13% are atheists.
     
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    Many centuries ago, the pagan king of the Khazarian Empire in Russia decided he needed his people to adopt one of the three main religions of the world, Islam, Judaism, or Christianity. With what amounts to a rolling of dice, they settled on Judaism and took upon themselves the religion of it.

    This idea is soundly rejected by Israel and for good reason: just think how much money/support that Zionism stands to lose from the West if they ever admitted the truth...so there are many "studies" which "disproves" the claim that they were all once pagan. One thing's for sure: they are NOT friends of the U.S., Christianity, or the truth.
     
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    Many immoral "liberation" movements were hatched in order to split the Church from God's word.
     
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    When Jesus came that was the end of it, all who come to Jesus Christ are God's people and all outside of that must be pointed out for who they are the Ant-Christ.

    Just today I went shopping and seen that all the staff were wearing a rainbow flag on their name tag ?

    I thought to myself, hey ! that's something that they have been forced to have, just like the Jews were forced to under Nazi Germany having that Satanic Star on them, now true Jews would not want to have to where that Satanic Star but they were forced to.

    I wonder what would happen if one refused to have that Gay support rainbow tag, I am sure they would be sacked on the spot not to mention much more than only that.

    Freedom of Speech is everything in a Healthy Democracy, but why does one in 2019 have to deal with such people nowadays that are going down the road that the Communist and Nazis played, don't the majority know History, why is our leadership so corrupt and trying to lead all astray.
    I ask the questions because I thought that was my right, as I thought that my forefathers won the war for us to have such freedoms and to stand up to all who would want to abuse this right.

    Under Judaism they never had freedom, Freedom only came through Christ Jesus, once you have not Grace you have not Jesus, the Law never saved anyone, it was to prepare for when the coming of the Lord Jesus. why look to the so called Jews, they have not Grace and they reject Salvation, so they are totally lost, sadly this mob don't even follow the OT, so such can not be Gods people, lets make that clear. so as to understand the gravity of the situation, they are a Lie ! not to mention a disgrace just to Judaism for a start.

    So just from the point within Judaism their is a huge problem that is totally wrong going on, let alone any clown shouting Anti-Semitism for a start and that's a fact. Judaism has been bastardised from within ! and any truly devout Jew know it's a fact that Satan is at the wheel. but the media hides such debate well, nothing to see here, on your way. thousands of Jews have protested that the Zionist do not represent them, in the State of Israel and New York.
     
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    Hitler is a Talmud Zionist Jew who just happened to pop up out of the wood work, one can see how he got given the job, was all a creation of powers that hide in the shadows of power.
    To say illuminati or anything is like trying to climb a greasy pole. the thing is that Jesus said you will know them by their works, so I would say it covers all from the top down are involved in such things. but yes sure their are a handful of men who do rule the World, my Grand Dad informed me and their is nothing anyone can do about It, the only thing that one can be is informed about such things or to be ignorant. not even Communism is a threat to that handful of Men, as they created the system, they create everything and run everything that they need do. they will make the call and it will be carried out as planed.
    There are just so many holes in Hitler's rise to power and all of his years especially during the war, Hitler is a total moron who is sabotaging the German Army that no one could be so stupid.
    Churchill never wanted Hitler dead as that was the last thing that he truly wanted.
    The only real threat to Hitler's life came from within the German Army in fact.
    Hitler was never found, he did the job that he was told to by that handful of men.
    The whole WW2 thing is a joke played out to the ends of a handful of men and their lackey's who are into secret organisations and such all through the Governments, Schools, business, Religions, the Law, the Police you name it, from the top down it runs and all feeding at the same trough.
    It all sticks out like dogs balls when you come to understand the true picture. sure they have a lot of smoke a mirrors out their so as to deceive all that they can.
    It has nothing to do with race at all, it's all about business, sure they play the race card etc etc or whatever, but that or anything is just used as tools of the trade.
    Their is no such thing as the Jewish race in fact, it's all BS and the brainwashing word play that they use to dupe the people with is astounding, for one African American ? fact is that to be a African American, one needs to of been born in Africa and then got citizenship in America to be that, but why play the fool with such words, what's this all in aid of ?
    lets look at another word Anti-Semite that's total BS as well that only fools swallow, the majority of Semites are Islamic by far, so the word is insane to take seriously, but sure such is a good word to lead people astray with as to the facts, so in reality what is one truly saying ?
     
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    Anti-Semitic ? is that anti Islamic ? or anti Jewish ?
    Why not just say anti-Jewish or anti-Islam ? why not ? lets truly be able to discern here that the smoke and mirrors are really trying to hide.

    Is it that one is a Christian and knows the truth and is only pointing out the facts and that the works of Satan are trying it's best to hide such from people who are lost as to the facts or the truth.

    Well old mate Satan he is a great one as to deceptions, just look what he did to our Lord and Saviour and how he lead the people astray and Jesus was not found to be incorrect at all, but such is how the Devil works, now a true Christian can know such works, because one does truly understand what they put Jesus through, they are dumb beast and know not what they do, because of deceptions of Satan.
    So why can't say hey ! I am trying to help people to Salvation here bro ! that's my vocation to help lead all to Jesus and I don't give two hoots who or what race they are, as one is in Jesus or your not. I don't want anyone lead astray or go to Hell.
    I want all to come to Jesus to be Saved, it's a true gift and one shall have life abundantly living the life under the Lords Salvation under in his Grace. so when a titch like Satan comes poking his nose about, I have the right to stand on it in Jesus Christ.
     
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    The Anti-Semitic , Anti-- Israel garbage is a Satanic doctrine that is on the increase. Those who identify themselves as christians that believe it and spread this are deceived and useful fools. There is a cosmic battle going on and the ones who are anti-zionist will find they were on the wrong side. Satan is spiritual source behind the hatred towards the Jews and the nation of Israel.
     
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    Is Israel really biblical Israel or is it a devil's creation?-OP

    The Devil is not a Creator.

    The "State, ie Recognized "NATION" called Israel, is a portion of LAND, with Borders, Established BY "men".

    God Established the NAME, "ISRAEL" for "TRIBES", God Established AS;
    Gods "PEOPLE".

    Gods "PEOPLE"; ISRAEL,
    Their Ancestors, Their Descentants...
    Have already BEEN PROMISED, BY God, to INHERIT and OCCUPY their OWN LAND....which FAR exceeds, WHAT men have established as the Land for ISRAEL.

    Currently; the small strip of Land men Established, in 1948, called the STATE, ie Nation of Israel...
    Is currently OCCUPIED, By thousands of men, WHO ARE NOT Gods People.

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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    Isaiah 43:5-6, 21 - "Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west. I will say to the north, `Give them up!' and to the south, `Do not hold them back.' Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth..."

    "... the people I formed for myself that they may proclaim my praise."

    Psalm 107:2-3 "Let the redeemed of the LORD say this -- those he redeemed from the hand of the foe, those he gathered from the lands, from east and west, from north and south.

    Isaiah 66:8 "Who has ever heard of such a thing?
    Who has ever seen such things?
    Can a country be born in a day or a nation
    be brought forth in a moment?
    Yet no sooner is Zion in labour than she gives birth to her children."
     
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    Satan is all about deceiving, deceptions.
    The term Anti-Semitic is a pathetic expression not to mention a full on lie, no Christian is Anti-Semitic in fact, it's not a race issue at all, it's a religious point of view only any anyone who claims different is a fool, not to mention only trying to be misleading the whole point in peddling a pathetic stupid race issue that in fact does not exist.

    Anti Israel ? who is anti Israel ? what that truly means is that one is anti God = Atheist, as Israel means Servants of God ? so how or who are anti servants of God ?
    Now who is it that is the King of Israel ? I say it's Jesus Christ in fact, now if one claims that it is not Jesus Christ that in fact is blasphemy and one is in fact a Anti-Christ !
    Now who is it that rejects Jesus Christ ? anyone who rejects Jesus Christ is a total moron and not worthy as to God at all. not to mention that they are all going to Hell, so why or do some morons peddle anything that is outside of our Lord and Saviour ? well they are of Satan in fact.

    Anyone who is looking to anything outside of Jesus is a fool.

    A truly Born Again Christian has it all ! we do not seek any other for we have everything in Jesus, my faith is 100% rock solid, not wavering or duped by the works of Satan who only leads astray.

    So why would a truly Born Again person be looking into outside of Christ Jesus at all ? only they who doubt are looking to outside and it's a disgrace, I feel so sorry for them as they are going to Hell, as they only lead others into Hell, as such claiming to be Christians they are only a boil on the arse of Christ, as they in fact look to another Jesus ? no one could be so stupid.

    Look when one understands that Jesus is the Lord, you abide in him and all you loyalty is to him only as he is who you serve and no other and that truly means no other ! that way you will not be deceived.

    I had a loyal Dog once and it always was by my side when I went walking, every second step I took it's mussel just slightly touched my leg and it never went off wondering about like a mutt. I called it and it came, people could come into my yard but it would not let them out until is said so.
    So does one see themselves as a mutt or truly loyal to Jesus Christ ?
     
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    You are taught by the world, by youtube hate preachers, Ct sites, reggie, not by the Bible, it's a Satanic doctrine you promote & Replacement theology. If you were a student of the bible you'd know that Israel as a nation is the fulfillment of the scriptures. God is not done with the Jews, He didn't break His promise to them, it is HE who brought them back into their land. The God of the Bible is Zionist, and a remnant of Jews will be saved.
    A person is kidding themselves if they think they follow Jesus but hate Jews and declare them a non-people, and worse. Christians that call themselves Israel and so they have to remove the Jews from Israel.
    Jesus is the King of the Jews, and He is their Messiah. Its a particular bigotry you have towards the Jews and it is satanic and it is shameful for Christians who have the Bible. There is no other people that you and your counterparts love as much to slander & debase. It has come out of wicked conspiracy sites, replacement theology and a deceived heart.
     
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